Question i need to find the case that can fit all of my ATX components

[CYLKER]

here is the parts list for the build

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/CYG8Jy

ive found a case thats similar to what i am trying to find but the problem is the price.
the SSUPD Meshroom S is a very nice case and exactly what im trying to achieve but unfortunately the case is 150 + i need to buy a new PSU because its either an ITX motherboard or an ITX PSU.
im trying to keep the budget under 150 so if you could help me out please.
either a different case that can still fit everything or a different PSU thats cheaper i honestly dont know. im new into the ITX type of build so i still dont know a lot of things.
any help would be appreciated

 

[Aeacus]

Your pcpp links to pcpp homepage, not the actual build. So, fix the link.

 

[CYLKER]

sorry about that, it should be working now.

Your pcpp links to pcpp homepage, not the actual build. So, fix the link

 

[Aeacus]

Since choosing a PC case is personal choice, pick the one you like the most.

But for other ideas;
Fractal Design North (with meshed side panel),
specs: https://www.fractal-design.com/products/cases/north/north/chalk-white/
pcpp: https://pcpartpicker.com/products/compare/sHYmP6,d8WzK8/

Tt The Tower 500,
specs: https://www.thermaltake.com/the-tower-500-mid-tower-chassis.html
pcpp: https://pcpartpicker.com/products/compare/PpPQzy,J3YmP6/

But i'd suggest to get the PC case you like the most. You can drop both HDDs for time being to get extra 50 bucks towards the Meshroom S PC case and buy the HDDs at later date. Since in the end of the day, it's you who has to look at that PC case every day, not us.

Btw, i too went a bit overboard, price wise, when i bought the PC case i liked the most: Corsair 760T V2 Black, at hefty price of €198.40.
Did i pay premium for my PC case? Yes.
Did i get what i wanted? Yes.
Do i have any regrets buying that expensive PC case? No.

 

[CYLKER]

Since choosing a PC case is personal choice, pick the one you like the most.

But for other ideas;
Fractal Design North (with meshed side panel),
specs: https://www.fractal-design.com/products/cases/north/north/chalk-white/
pcpp: https://pcpartpicker.com/products/compare/sHYmP6,d8WzK8/

Tt The Tower 500,
specs: https://www.thermaltake.com/the-tower-500-mid-tower-chassis.html
pcpp: https://pcpartpicker.com/products/compare/PpPQzy,J3YmP6/

But i'd suggest to get the PC case you like the most. You can drop both HDDs for time being to get extra 50 bucks towards the Meshroom S PC case and buy the HDDs at later date. Since in the end of the day, it's you who has to look at that PC case every day, not us.

Btw, i too went a bit overboard, price wise, when i bought the PC case i liked the most: Corsair 760T V2 Black, at hefty price of €198.40.
Did i pay premium for my PC case? Yes.
Did i get what i wanted? Yes.
Do i have any regrets buying that expensive PC case? No.

are there any smaller cases that will still fit everything. because these cases look huge compared to the meshroom.
for example the fractal north is 40L but the meshroom is only like 15L if there are any cases that are even closer i would be greatly appreciated. i may extend my budget to a total of 200 if needed

 

[Aeacus]

are there any smaller cases that will still fit everything.

You have big hardware that you need to get smaller, if you want to get a smaller case.

Your MoBo is ATX. Most small cases can house micro-ATX or mini-ITX. Then you have 360mm rad. Only few cases can house such a big rad. GPU is 3x fan one, with 282mm length (quite long).

Here is list of the smallest PC cases out there,
pcpp: https://pcpartpicker.com/forums/topic/55093-list-of-cases-for-steam-machinebox

Do note that the list is somewhat old and hasn't been updated for a while (e.g doesn't contain Meshroom S). Also, those tiny PC cases often require mini-ITX MoBo and SFX PSU, or even smaller, FlexATX PSU.

Even Meshroom S won't fit all the hardware you have,
specs: https://ssupd.co/products/new-meshroom-s

The entire case is as big as ATX MoBo. This will result in severe limitations of hardware you can put into it.
For example:
360mm rad isn't supported at all. 280mm rad only when using mini-ITX MoBo. With ATX MoBo, biggest rad is 240mm, and that too with severe restrictions on width and thickness. E.g most rad fans are 25mm thick, leaving only 28mm thick rad, which is very thin. Then there are slim, 15mm thick fans. With those, you could have rad thickness up to 38mm. But slim fans will struggle a lot to push the air through the rad. Also, max 160mm long PSU with AIO tubing on top or 150mm long PSU with AIO tubing on bottom.

im new into the ITX type of build so i still dont know a lot of things.

1st mini PC build will always be an ordeal, since you have to consider the clearances very carefully. Also, building the small PC starts by picking out the PC case 1st and then adding hardware into it, that fits there. Not the other way around like you've done.

As it currently stands, and without any compromise, you can not get the build you want, which is;
* ATX MoBo
* 360mm rad
* 282mm GPU
* all that in a 15L or smaller PC case

or a different PSU thats cheaper

Corsair TX650 is both obsolete and questionable quality. PSU itself is also 160mm long.

For far better and smaller PSU, while still ATX PSU, i suggest getting Seasonic Focus GX, which is only 140mm long. Is also fully modular and comes with 10 years of warranty. 80+ Gold efficiency too,
pcpp: https://pcpartpicker.com/products/compare/RzfFf7,97848d,7v3mP6,VDqBD3/

Your build can get by with 650W unit. But you can get higher capacity unit too, if you like (since they all are in same dimensions).

 

[CYLKER]

You have big hardware that you need to get smaller, if you want to get a smaller case.

Your MoBo is ATX. Most small cases can house micro-ATX or mini-ITX. Then you have 360mm rad. Only few cases can house such a big rad. GPU is 3x fan one, with 282mm length (quite long).

Here is list of the smallest PC cases out there,
pcpp: https://pcpartpicker.com/forums/topic/55093-list-of-cases-for-steam-machinebox

Do note that the list is somewhat old and hasn't been updated for a while (e.g doesn't contain Meshroom S). Also, those tiny PC cases often require mini-ITX MoBo and SFX PSU, or even smaller, FlexATX PSU.

Even Meshroom S won't fit all the hardware you have,
specs: https://ssupd.co/products/new-meshroom-s

The entire case is as big as ATX MoBo. This will result in severe limitations of hardware you can put into it.
For example:
360mm rad isn't supported at all. 280mm rad only when using mini-ITX MoBo. With ATX MoBo, biggest rad is 240mm, and that too with severe restrictions on width and thickness. E.g most rad fans are 25mm thick, leaving only 28mm thick rad, which is very thin. Then there are slim, 15mm thick fans. With those, you could have rad thickness up to 38mm. But slim fans will struggle a lot to push the air through the rad. Also, max 160mm long PSU with AIO tubing on top or 150mm long PSU with AIO tubing on bottom.


1st mini PC build will always be an ordeal, since you have to consider the clearances very carefully. Also, building the small PC starts by picking out the PC case 1st and then adding hardware into it, that fits there. Not the other way around like you've done.

As it currently stands, and without any compromise, you can not get the build you want, which is;
* ATX MoBo
* 360mm rad
* 282mm GPU
* all that in a 15L or smaller PC case


Corsair TX650 is both obsolete and questionable quality. PSU itself is also 160mm long.

For far better and smaller PSU, while still ATX PSU, i suggest getting Seasonic Focus GX, which is only 140mm long. Is also fully modular and comes with 10 years of warranty. 80+ Gold efficiency too,
pcpp: https://pcpartpicker.com/products/compare/RzfFf7,97848d,7v3mP6,VDqBD3/

Your build can get by with 650W unit. But you can get higher capacity unit too, if you like (since they all are in same dimensions).

Thank you for all of this feedback. Do you think it would be a good idea to perhaps 3d print a custom case to specially fit all of my components. Maybe make a custom folded sheet metal one?

 

[Aeacus]

Do you think it would be a good idea to perhaps 3d print a custom case to specially fit all of my components.

Question with this is; what kind of case you want to have?
Small as possible = terrible airflow = high temps and most likely, loud fan noise.

Also, out of the components listed on pcpp, which ones you already own? Since it would be hard to believe anybody going with brand new 9th gen CPU, while 13th gen is latest, offering far better performance with same or even less money.

If you don't own any listed on pcpp and are planning to buy them from 2nd hand market; for small PC, i'd instead suggest that you get yourself a mini PC.
Further reading: https://www.pcmag.com/picks/the-best-windows-mini-pcs

Those mini PCs are far smaller than anyone could build out of the standard components most PCs are made of. Some mini PCs even support dedicated GPU, e.g Intel NUC 13 Extreme Kit.

 

[CYLKER]

Question with this is; what kind of case you want to have?
Small as possible = terrible airflow = high temps and most likely, loud fan noise.

Also, out of the components listed on pcpp, which ones you already own? Since it would be hard to believe anybody going with brand new 9th gen CPU, while 13th gen is latest, offering far better performance with same or even less money.

If you don't own any listed on pcpp and are planning to buy them from 2nd hand market; for small PC, i'd instead suggest that you get yourself a mini PC.
Further reading: https://www.pcmag.com/picks/the-best-windows-mini-pcs

Those mini PCs are far smaller than anyone could build out of the standard components most PCs are made of. Some mini PCs even support dedicated GPU, e.g Intel NUC 13 Extreme Kit.

to answer your question
1. i dont use any intesive programs or play any intensive games
2. i already have all of the parts listed, im am using the built computer right now.

hope that clears thing up!

also do you think it would be a good idea to try selling my current pc (apart from graphics card) and use the money from that to buy a new mini pc? (or maybe just selling certain parts?)

 

[Aeacus]

also do you think it would be a good idea to try selling my current pc (apart from graphics card) and use the money from that to buy a new mini pc?

That depends on your taste. If the current size of your PC is really that annoying to you, that you can't stand it, then sure, sell what you have and get a smaller PC. E.g mini PC i linked earlier.
But if it's size isn't that much of an issue and build performs to your likening, there would be little reason to replace it. Other than spending money and effort to get something smaller, with little comfort on your part.

I, personally, am happy with the PC i have. Heck, i have a huge PC case, since my PC is in a full-tower ATX case after all. Only bigger than that, is super-tower ATX and while i do like super-tower ATX as well (e.g like Corsair 1000D or Thermaltake Core W200), my desk doesn't have enough space on it to house super-tower ATX. My current full-tower ATX even barely fits on it.

Spoiler: Pic of my build (click here to view)

Just look at that "monstrosity" next to my monitor.

Build is Skylake. Full specs with more pics in my sig.

Like i said earlier:

Since in the end of the day, it's you who has to look at that PC case every day, not us.

While system swap is possible, i've done it twice now, once with my Haswell build, another time with my old AMD build, but i went from smaller case to bigger case. Doing it vice-versa (from big case to small) is hard, if not impossible. As i mentioned before, for small (e.g mini-ITX build), better to get PC case 1st and then buy components that fit into there, rather than trying to cramp bigger components into it.

If you hate the size of your current PC and love the size of mini PC, sure, go for it. It's your money and your preference.

 

[CYLKER]

That depends on your taste. If the current size of your PC is really that annoying to you, that you can't stand it, then sure, sell what you have and get a smaller PC. E.g mini PC i linked earlier.
But if it's size isn't that much of an issue and build performs to your likening, there would be little reason to replace it. Other than spending money and effort to get something smaller, with little comfort on your part.

I, personally, am happy with the PC i have. Heck, i have a huge PC case, since my PC is in a full-tower ATX case after all. Only bigger than that, is super-tower ATX and while i do like super-tower ATX as well (e.g like Corsair 1000D or Thermaltake Core W200), my desk doesn't have enough space on it to house super-tower ATX. My current full-tower ATX even barely fits on it.

Spoiler: Pic of my build (click here to view)

Just look at that "monstrosity" next to my monitor.

Build is Skylake. Full specs with more pics in my sig.

Like i said earlier:


While system swap is possible, i've done it twice now, once with my Haswell build, another time with my old AMD build, but i went from smaller case to bigger case. Doing it vice-versa (from big case to small) is hard, if not impossible. As i mentioned before, for small (e.g mini-ITX build), better to get PC case 1st and then buy components that fit into there, rather than trying to cramp bigger components into it.

If you hate the size of your current PC and love the size of mini PC, sure, go for it. It's your money and your preference.

if i were to sell it is there any way of estimating a good price for each component. low enough that it would sell quickly but high enough that i could still afford to buy the small countrerparts for the new build. (also i dont have the original case for anything but the GPU, Ram and SSD)

 

[Aeacus]

if i were to sell it is there any way of estimating a good price for each component. low enough that it would sell quickly but high enough that i could still afford to buy the small countrerparts for the new build. (also i dont have the original case for anything but the GPU, Ram and SSD)

My hardware price estimation takes into account a specific rule: if component is used, price is 50% of brand new price. Regardless the age, quality or what not. Since used component doesn't have warranty, i, personally, am not willing to pay a penny more, than half of the brand new price.

That being said, and if i were to buy the components you have as brand new, it would be like so:

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: Intel Core i5-9600K 3.7 GHz 6-Core Processor ($119.99 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: NZXT Kraken X73 73.11 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($159.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Asus PRIME Z390-P ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($199.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: Silicon Power GAMING 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory ($29.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Integral M2 256 GB M.2-2280 PCIe 3.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive ($17.00)
Storage: Seagate BarraCuda 1 TB 3.5" 7200 RPM Internal Hard Drive ($24.50 @ Amazon)
Storage: Seagate BarraCuda 1 TB 3.5" 7200 RPM Internal Hard Drive ($24.50 @ Amazon)
Case: NZXT H710i ATX Mid Tower Case ($200.00)
Power Supply: Corsair TX650 650 W 80+ Certified ATX Power Supply ($90.00)

Total: $865.96
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2023-09-28 02:58 EDT-0400

This is excluding GPU. Since none of your components are brand new, 50% off from the total price. So, ~400 bucks for all of it would be fair price, IMO.

Some clarification on pricing;
SSD you have, doesn't have price history in pcpp, so took the cheapest 256 GB SSD price for it.
PC case was last seen at a 200 bucks price tag, so put that in.
PSU is ancient and EOL long time ago. Buying comparable PSU at current date (e.g Seasonic Focus GX-650) would cost 90 bucks, brand new. Would i buy your old TX-650 for 45 bucks? No. I'd buy brand new PSU.

All-in-all, it would be easier to sell the PC all at once, since even when GPU removed, PC is still operable. One needs to just plug monitor to MoBo, to use the PC.

 

[CYLKER]

i put this list together i just wanted you to see it just in case i made a big mistake in for example compatability or some other problem with the new parts.

CPU Cooler: NZXT Kraken X73 73.11 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($159.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Asus PRIME Z390-P ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($199.99 @ Amazon)
Case: NZXT H710i ATX Mid Tower Case ($200.00)
Power Supply: Corsair TX650 650 W 80+ Certified ATX Power Supply ($90.00)
total: 649.98
resale value: 324.99

Case: MasterBox NR200 (69.63 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Asrock H610M-ITX/AC (127.34 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: Thermalright Frozen Notte (47.92 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: bequiet SFX POWER 2 400W (59.99 @ Ebay) - https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/204468027123?hash=item2f9b3e7ef3:g:ELEAAOSwJEBlCUlq&amdata=enc:AQAIAAAA4NQmEE22ynUlTCd1h3dTghLUcSAqpFdmXySU2mc5edrTbv3ulkUmdrnLCuPe4FJTlkjsvKqJCVzKGyh3/Iui5VSGrlUAjUgzSlwY6jksC0K/bRB16I8M7vl/LT+znLIerQ4XsW1zcPBvs/dswECfGHNPJXimJYThH9dq/8HbUX8ibeVH8U9AkeXuonS5/+JFnuK68t/ESt4CpSl9tdKSYIOd0Q5/kd1E7YjShilRDQvb3GXsDaLlyCJNFQX1TKGhoPcyJpw87POESvS1clZzjN4hVAZhZJ2BOkz8htwXAbZA|tkp:BFBM0qXk49xi
total: 304.88
exess: 20.11

this power supply is only 36W above my reccomended wattage so i probably need to find a stronger one. (correct me if im wrong)


edit: i found this one but it is non modular. https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/235225574158?hash=item36c4896b0e:g:4vAAAOSwvtRlFb-Z&amdata=enc:AQAIAAAAwM87JVQiI5KcvWsqP+2AJoptKyz/VsuVT3TnreQrwyMptwxRGwajPHeu4fF2WTO7ihwAL7pC69vXYQaenb9I13PncuEwCroiSL5Eo0dzoKqifsugrW4SSgRCWiUXCB6yOJkJ92ufUOLb2wXmsmmyM3wDcRhC3RKjvSkVQ8VYqGST06xLpOtFH4JPMHSs/FkrXffiKMitdFDq6Cq12NDnfkgvy1VvgOo6DaeQ2Q67cXlLXIDVIrvAKt8tC8EuNhQ/NA==|tkp:Bk9SR9Kl5OPcYg

here is the PCPP ( i am getting compatability warnings). https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Y2qk9c ( i can live without one of my Hard drives)

 

[Aeacus]

CPU Cooler: NZXT Kraken X73 73.11 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($159.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Asus PRIME Z390-P ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($199.99 @ Amazon)
Case: NZXT H710i ATX Mid Tower Case ($200.00)
Power Supply: Corsair TX650 650 W 80+ Certified ATX Power Supply ($90.00)
total: 649.98
resale value: 324.99

Why keep your i5-9600K CPU? You can't use it in the H610 chipset MoBo you plan to go for. For 600-series MoBos, only Intel 12th and 13th gen CPUs are compatible.

Motherboard: Asrock H610M-ITX/AC (127.34 @ Amazon)

H610 chipset is barebones and as cheap as it gets. I advise against buying H610 chipset. Poor VRMs and unreliable construction. Better get B660, H670, Z690 (600-series) or B760, H770, Z790 (700-series) chipset MoBo.

Power Supply: bequiet SFX POWER 2 400W (59.99 @ Ebay)

Low quality PSU, borderline crap quality. Huge waste of money, especially since you won't get any warranty with it. Not that it matters, PSU itself is good only for doorstop.

edit: i found this one but it is non modular

Silverstone unit is a bit better than Be Quiet! unit, but not much. I wouldn't use that Silverstone unit even in office PC, without dedicated GPU, let alone in gaming PC.

When it comes to SFX PSUs, there are only few that are great. Those few include;
Corsair SF/SF-L and Seasonic Focus SGX/SPX,
pcpp: https://pcpartpicker.com/products/compare/nJrmP6,NJZ9TW,Jd7G3C,LxsV3C/

Others good SFX PSUs include: Cooler Master V SFX Gold, Fractal Design SFX Gold, Lian Li SP 750 and Silverstone Nightjar SXL,
pcpp: https://pcpartpicker.com/products/compare/TFMwrH,VMCFf7,vr9tt6,3ZzhP6/

The rest are best to be avoided.
Also, never buy a used PSU, since you have no telling what kind of abuse it has seen and if it even works according to ATX PSU standard.

If you go with 12/13th gen Core i5 then 550W PSU would do, but i'd be more comfortable with 650W unit. If Core i7/i9, then look towards at least 650W unit, if not 750W unit.

Oh, here's PSU tier list, to help you choose a PSU,
link: https://forums.tomshardware.com/thr...er-list-rev-14-8-final-update-jul-21.3624094/

All those SFX PSUs i suggested above (8 in total), are Tier A, which i also suggest that you choose from. Silverstone unit you linked is Tier C while Be Quiet! unit you linked is Tier D. Tier B PSUs are good for office PCs, while Tier A would be for PCs with dedicated GPU.

 

[CYLKER]

Silverstone unit is a bit better than Be Quiet! unit, but not much. I wouldn't use that Silverstone unit even in office PC, without dedicated GPU, let alone in gaming PC.

When it comes to SFX PSUs, there are only few that are great. Those few include;
Corsair SF/SF-L and Seasonic Focus SGX/SPX,
pcpp: https://pcpartpicker.com/products/compare/nJrmP6,NJZ9TW,Jd7G3C,LxsV3C/

Others good SFX PSUs include: Cooler Master V SFX Gold, Fractal Design SFX Gold, Lian Li SP 750 and Silverstone Nightjar SXL,
pcpp: https://pcpartpicker.com/products/compare/TFMwrH,VMCFf7,vr9tt6,3ZzhP6/

The rest are best to be avoided.
Also, never buy a used PSU, since you have no telling what kind of abuse it has seen and if it even works according to ATX PSU standard.

also for the PSU i just need to find the cheapest option there is that is reliable and will work with my other components

and what motherboard should i buy that will fit into the budget?
*both motherboard and PSU should fit into a budget of 207 pounds

edit: the mobo that i send in the previous one was a mistake. i cannot find the motherboard that i am looking for on amazon but the closest i could find is this one: https://www.amazon.co.uk/ASRock-H37...975&sprefix=asrock+h370m-itx/ac,aps,76&sr=8-2

 

[Aeacus]

also for the PSU i just need to find the cheapest option there is that is reliable and will work with my other components

If you want cheap and reliable PSU, you have to buy 2 PSUs: the cheap one and the reliable one. That's it.
This is actually with all components. The cheaper it is, the less quality components are used, and the less reliable it is.

For example;
My PSU: Seasonic PRIME 650 80+ Titanium [SSR-650TD], is the best 650W PSU money can buy and due to that, it also has 12 years of warranty. I've had my PSU in use since 2016 and it still is going strong, while providing me the tightest ripple, mythical levels of voltage regulation and highest efficiency there is. And all that while being dead silent. - This is the pinnacle of PSU build quality.
Review: https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/seasonic-prime-titanium-650w-psu,4690.html

I don't say that you have to buy the best. Good quality is also sufficient, like the 8 units i linked above. But what you want to buy, is either low or crap quality PSU.

That being said, fine, buy a cheap PSU. Learn the hard way why not ever to cheap out on PSU. Since when PSU fails, makes "pop", releases magic smoke, it has the ability to fry everything it is connected to. Aka your whole PC. Once that happens, perhaps then you look towards good quality PSU and a whole new PC as well, since all the components are fried by cheap PSU.
Since PSU powers everything, it is the most important component inside the PC.

Btw, PSU reliability can be seen from the warranty length it has been given.
In a nutshell:
up to 2 years - terrible reliability
3 years - poor reliability (e.g Corsair VS/CS)
5 years - mediocre reliability (e.g Be Quiet! Straight Power 11, Seasonic G12, Corsair CX/CXF)
7 years - good reliability (e.g Seasonic Core/Focus GM, Corsair TX/AX)
10 years - great reliability (e.g Seasonic Focus GX/PX, Corsair RMx/HX/HXi/AXi)
12 years - superb reliability (e.g Seasonic PRIME)

both motherboard and PSU should fit into a budget of 207 pounds

Building mini-ITX build is often more expensive than standard ATX build. While the components themselves are smaller in size, they are also more expensive than standard ATX sized components, for the sole reason that not many people buy the smaller components. That, and it is also more expensive to manufacture smaller MoBo/PSU, since manufacturer has to somehow fit all the needed components inside far smaller area.

edit: the mobo that i send in the previous one was a mistake. i cannot find the motherboard that i am looking for on amazon but the closest i could find is this one:

H370 chipset means that you will loose the OC ability of your CPU. If you want to keep the OC ability of your CPU, you have to get Z-series MoBo. E.g Z370 or Z390 chipset. Other than that, H370 chipset is quite good.

 

[CYLKER]

If you want cheap and reliable PSU, you have to buy 2 PSUs: the cheap one and the reliable one. That's it.
This is actually with all components. The cheaper it is, the less quality components are used, and the less reliable it is.

For example;
My PSU: Seasonic PRIME 650 80+ Titanium [SSR-650TD], is the best 650W PSU money can buy and due to that, it also has 12 years of warranty. I've had my PSU in use since 2016 and it still is going strong, while providing me the tightest ripple, mythical levels of voltage regulation and highest efficiency there is. And all that while being dead silent. - This is the pinnacle of PSU build quality.
Review: https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/seasonic-prime-titanium-650w-psu,4690.html

I don't say that you have to buy the best. Good quality is also sufficient, like the 8 units i linked above. But what you want to buy, is either low or crap quality PSU.

That being said, fine, buy a cheap PSU. Learn the hard way why not ever to cheap out on PSU. Since when PSU fails, makes "pop", releases magic smoke, it has the ability to fry everything it is connected to. Aka your whole PC. Once that happens, perhaps then you look towards good quality PSU and a whole new PC as well, since all the components are fried by cheap PSU.
Since PSU powers everything, it is the most important component inside the PC.

Btw, PSU reliability can be seen from the warranty length it has been given.
In a nutshell:
up to 2 years - terrible reliability
3 years - poor reliability (e.g Corsair VS/CS)
5 years - mediocre reliability (e.g Be Quiet! Straight Power 11, Seasonic G12, Corsair CX/CXF)
7 years - good reliability (e.g Seasonic Core/Focus GM, Corsair TX/AX)
10 years - great reliability (e.g Seasonic Focus GX/PX, Corsair RMx/HX/HXi/AXi)
12 years - superb reliability (e.g Seasonic PRIME)


Building mini-ITX build is often more expensive than standard ATX build. While the components themselves are smaller in size, they are also more expensive than standard ATX sized components, for the sole reason that not many people buy the smaller components. That, and it is also more expensive to manufacture smaller MoBo/PSU, since manufacturer has to somehow fit all the needed components inside far smaller area.


H370 chipset means that you will loose the OC ability of your CPU. If you want to keep the OC ability of your CPU, you have to get Z-series MoBo. E.g Z370 or Z390 chipset. Other than that, H370 chipset is quite good.

ok thank you, in that case i will keep the motherboard and upgrade my psu to a higher quality just in case.

here is the updated list.
CPU Cooler: NZXT Kraken X73 73.11 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($159.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Asus PRIME Z390-P ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($199.99 @ Amazon)
Case: NZXT H710i ATX Mid Tower Case ($200.00)
Power Supply: Corsair TX650 650 W 80+ Certified ATX Power Supply ($90.00)
total: 649.98
resale value: 324.99

Case: MasterBox NR200 (69.63 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Asrock H370M-HDV (88.12 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: Thermalright Frozen Notte (47.92 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: LIAN LI SP 750 Performance (139.95 @ Amazon)
total: 345.62
exess: -20.63


edit: i found this PSU: https://www.amazon.co.uk/ALIMENTATION-FRACTAL-500G-NOIR-FD-PSU-ION-SFX-500G-BK-EU/dp/B07ZJS68CC/ref=sr_1_1?crid=3I8A52GEBIB15&keywords=Fractal+Design+SFX+Gold&qid=1696091634&sprefix=fractal+design+sfx+gold,aps,96&sr=8-1&ufe=app_do:amzn1.fos.cc223b57-2b86-485c-a85e-6431c1f06c86, is it reliable enough?

 

[Aeacus]

edit: i found this PSU: https://www.amazon.co.uk/ALIMENTATION-FRACTAL-500G-NOIR-FD-PSU-ION-SFX-500G-BK-EU/dp/B07ZJS68CC/ref=sr_1_1?crid=3I8A52GEBIB15&keywords=Fractal+Design+SFX+Gold&qid=1696091634&sprefix=fractal+design+sfx+gold,aps,96&sr=8-1&ufe=app_do:amzn1.fos.cc223b57-2b86-485c-a85e-6431c1f06c86, is it reliable enough?

That Fractal Design PSU is also good quality unit. On-par with the Lian-Li unit you picked in your price calculations.

CPU Cooler: Thermalright Frozen Notte (47.92 @ Amazon)

Btw, that AIO is way too cheap for what 240mm rad AIO should cost. Heck, it's even cheaper than mid-tower air cooler. Due to that, i wouldn't put any trust into it's reliability. And reviews tell it to be very noisy as well.
Review 1: https://adoredtv.com/thermalright-f...d-cooler-review-tested-with-intels-i9-13900k/
Review 2: https://www.boringtextreviews.com/2...i9-13900k-not-as-great-with-amds-ryzen-7700x/

When it comes to PC hardware; if you pay peanuts - you will get monkeys.
On the other hand, there are people out there that only want the cheapest stuff. That's fine, as long as they don't come back here complaining about the issues of their cheap hardware.

 

[CYLKER]

That Fractal Design PSU is also good quality unit. On-par with the Lian-Li unit you picked in your price calculations.


Btw, that AIO is way too cheap for what 240mm rad AIO should cost. Heck, it's even cheaper than mid-tower air cooler. Due to that, i wouldn't put any trust into it's reliability. And reviews tell it to be very noisy as well.
Review 1: https://adoredtv.com/thermalright-f...d-cooler-review-tested-with-intels-i9-13900k/
Review 2: https://www.boringtextreviews.com/2...i9-13900k-not-as-great-with-amds-ryzen-7700x/

When it comes to PC hardware; if you pay peanuts - you will get monkeys.
On the other hand, there are people out there that only want the cheapest stuff. That's fine, as long as they don't come back here complaining about the issues of their cheap hardware.

Sorry forbothering but i have been hoilding this one off for a while and i stumbled upon a case that i though looked good, and i wanted to get your opinion on it and also if you could tell me anything about compatibility with my current setup https://pcpartpicker.com/list/CYG8Jy. Thank you for your help

 

[Aeacus]

i stumbled upon a case that i though looked good

And that case is? Can't give my opinion about it, if i don't know which case you found.

 

[CYLKER]

Ahh <Mod Edit> wifi cut out, i was in a car and forgot to check the post before sending. Let me continue. The case is the Metalfish s5. The one which Linus made a review on. i looked at the specifications and it said that it can support most atx components but it didn’t specify which that much. It said that it can fit up to 320mm of gpu and a matx/itx mobo, I would Also need to change the Cooler, i also want to fit a hard drive as show in the pictures, but i wanted to ask you just to check about comparability. here is the link to the listing
https://a.aliexpress.com/_mKBqHRS (the price of the case is around £55 the £10 thing is just the fans.

And that case is? Can't give my opinion about it, if i don't know which case you found.

 

[USAFRet]

Do you think it would be a good idea to perhaps 3d print a custom case to specially fit all of my components.

No.

You would spend far more time, and more money, making a "case" that is not nearly as good as what you can buy.

 

[Aeacus]

The case is the Metalfish s5. The one which Linus made a review on. i looked at the specifications and it said that it can support most atx components but it didn’t specify which that much.

Best specs i found about that Metalfish S5,
link: https://caseend.com/data/metalfish/metalfish-s5

In many ways, it is similar to Meshroom S, but it is as big as micro-ATX MoBo, where Meshroom S is as big as ATX MoBo.
Build challenge wise, it has same issues as Meshroom S, but worse, since Metalfish S5 is smaller. And case itself looks flimsy/cheap as well.

Now, if you want to swap your current build into Metalfish S5, you have to buy new:
* MoBo, in micro-ATX size (or in mini-ITX size).
* CPU cooler, up to 135mm tall. No AIO is supported with that PC case.
* PSU, SFX in size (or SFX-L as Linus demonstrated).
* One or two new 92mm fans (top exhaust).

I would not suggest getting it, since you essentially have to buy new PC. Also, Linus, who has loads of experience, also struggled to build in it;
At ~15:00 and onwards:

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhhKVq0uYIo


Meshroom S would give you less headache and you don't need to buy new MoBo either.
Or you can look from CaseEnd other, small PC cases,
link: https://caseend.com/

All-in-all, what you want small PC case, but it will have plenty of cons, that i think you're not willing to face and/or deal with it;
* component restrictions
* building struggles
* far higher component heat (due to lack of cooling fans and smaller CPU cooler size)
* higher noise (these few fans that fit, have to work far harder for any airflow)

As i said above;

Also, building the small PC starts by picking out the PC case 1st and then adding hardware into it, that fits there. Not the other way around like you've done.

Maybe you can find someone, who you can pay, to do the labor for you, by providing the components. But even then, high heat and loud noise will remain in such small, micro-ATX or mini-ITX build.

 

[CYLKER]

Best specs i found about that Metalfish S5,
link: https://caseend.com/data/metalfish/metalfish-s5

In many ways, it is similar to Meshroom S, but it is as big as micro-ATX MoBo, where Meshroom S is as big as ATX MoBo.
Build challenge wise, it has same issues as Meshroom S, but worse, since Metalfish S5 is smaller. And case itself looks flimsy/cheap as well.

Now, if you want to swap your current build into Metalfish S5, you have to buy new:
* MoBo, in micro-ATX size (or in mini-ITX size).
* CPU cooler, up to 135mm tall. No AIO is supported with that PC case.
* PSU, SFX in size (or SFX-L as Linus demonstrated).
* One or two new 92mm fans (top exhaust).

I would not suggest getting it, since you essentially have to buy new PC. Also, Linus, who has loads of experience, also struggled to build in it;
At ~15:00 and onwards:

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhhKVq0uYIo


Meshroom S would give you less headache and you don't need to buy new MoBo either.
Or you can look from CaseEnd other, small PC cases,
link: https://caseend.com/

All-in-all, what you want small PC case, but it will have plenty of cons, that i think you're not willing to face and/or deal with it;
* component restrictions
* building struggles
* far higher component heat (due to lack of cooling fans and smaller CPU cooler size)
* higher noise (these few fans that fit, have to work far harder for any airflow)

As i said above;


Maybe you can find someone, who you can pay, to do the labor for you, by providing the components. But even then, high heat and loud noise will remain in such small, micro-ATX or mini-ITX build.

Ok thank you for the feedback ill look into the other cases.