[SOLVED] I want to go AMD but friends are telling me intel is better

[Jesse.m.niemi]

I want to build a pc and an opportunity came up where i can build it in a April.
i have been prepping my build for a while, but when i say i chose amd over intel because cost my friends start telling me how good intel is and why i should change to it. i have everything ready in my amazon basket that i can order them when its April. but now that i have done some research intel seems to be better for gaming (which is what ill be using the pc for). i downgraded the gpu from a 1070 to a 1060 and changed the mother board on pc part picker.

the amd setup https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/2tcGgw

the intel setup https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/dJB77W

tell me which one is better and if you like change them for it to be better.
if you want to change the items my budget is 1100 euros.
by the way this is my first build and will be guided by a professional while building. all my knowledge is from linus tech tips and other pc building or pc discussion yt channels.

tell me if you can make it better or cheaper but still good. or if one is really good. i am pretty nervous on using 1 thousand for a pc thats not good.

 

[ampedupdad]

Depends on what you plan on doing. AMD is catching Intel and could, potentially, surpass them.

Your average pc user probably won't even tell a difference.

 

[Jesse.m.niemi]

Depends on what you plan on doing. AMD is catching Intel and could, potentially, surpass them.

Your average pc user probably won't even tell a difference.

i plan on playing some games and watching videos. some of the games i play need a fair bit of computing power to work properly. if you could choose for me it would be much appreciated.

 

[TJ Hooker]

I mean, the 8700k costs over double what the 2600 does. Of course it's going to be better.

 

[Jesse.m.niemi]

I mean, the 8700k costs over double what the 2600 does. Of course it's going to be better.

i know its more expensive, but i think an amd with a 1070 would be better than an i7 with a 1060.
but i dont know that much about computers. thats why i am making this post

 

[TJ Hooker]

Both builds you posted have a GTX 1070. Yes, a 2600 with a 1070 will perform better than an 8700k with a 1060 in nearly every case.

Here's an example build:
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 2600 3.4 GHz 6-Core Processor (€159.90 @ Alternate)
Motherboard: MSI - B450M GAMING PLUS Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard (€86.85 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Memory: Corsair - Vengeance LPX 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory (€99.90 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Storage: Crucial - MX500 500 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive (€59.90 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Storage: Seagate - Barracuda 2 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (€58.99 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Video Card: Gigabyte - GeForce RTX 2060 6 GB WINDFORCE OC Video Card (€377.99 @ Mindfactory)
Case: SHARKOON - TG5 ATX Mid Tower Case (€69.90 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Power Supply: SeaSonic - FOCUS Plus Gold 550 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply (€86.90 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Total: €1000.33
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-02-01 23:00 CET+0100

 

[Jesse.m.niemi]

Both builds you posted have a GTX 1070. Yes, a 2600 with a 1070 will perform better than an 8700k with a 1060 in nearly every case.

Here's an example build:
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 2600 3.4 GHz 6-Core Processor (€159.90 @ Alternate)
Motherboard: MSI - B450M GAMING PLUS Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard (€86.85 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Memory: Corsair - Vengeance LPX 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory (€99.90 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Storage: Crucial - MX500 500 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive (€59.90 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Storage: Seagate - Barracuda 2 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (€58.99 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Video Card: EVGA - GeForce GTX 1070 8 GB SC Gaming ACX 3.0 Video Card (€364.90 @ Alza)
Case: SHARKOON - TG5 ATX Mid Tower Case (€69.90 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Power Supply: SeaSonic - FOCUS Plus Gold 550 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply (€86.90 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Total: €987.24
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-02-01 22:53 CET+0100

i thought i changed the 1070 to a 1060. sorry for the confusion. btw is that build good and should i try to get it?
i really dont know almost anything about pc's so i dont know how good that build is

 

[LordVile]

Intel is “better” but you’re paying 2-3x for marginal gains you’ll probably never notice unless you’re playing at 240Hz. AMD is a better option outside of specific applications due to the price being different enough to cover a better GPU

 

[TJ Hooker]

@DavidM012 the average difference in gaming performance is going to be a lot less than the difference in synthetic CPU benchmarks. Also, an moving from a 2600 to an OC'd 8700K easily adds 30+% to his budget. Even an 8700 (non OC obviously) adds ~15%.

 

[Jesse.m.niemi]

Intel is “better” but you’re paying 2-3x for marginal gains you’ll probably never notice unless you’re playing at 240Hz. AMD is a better option outside of specific applications due to the price being different enough to cover a better GPU

so what you are saying is i should get ryzen build?
i don't really understand that much about pcs. just if you could say simply intel or amd build.
reply to this with intel or amd for the one you think i should get.

 

[TJ Hooker]

What resolution and refresh rate is your monitor?

 

[LordVile]

Get the AMD build BUT don’t get 2400Mhz RAM get 3000Mhz RAM. Ryzen likes fast RAM.

Also with the savings couldn’t you upgrade to a Vega 64/1080/2070?

 

[Jesse.m.niemi]

What resolution and refresh rate is your monitor?

it is 1080p and 60Hz
1920 x 1080

 

[Jesse.m.niemi]

It isn't as simple as intel or amd the questions are, do you want to overclock for a bit extra or would it be worth buying a 9700k instead of overclocking the 8700k

For average gaming, the amd build will do pretty much the same thing, for a 10% saving, but if you like a bit more spit'n'polish you will get 20% more performance on the intel platform.

i think i wont overclock because i tried to do it on my 750 ti and my overwatch crashed because of it. and also when i was overclocking it i wasn't saving it so when everything was on max and i opened the gpu stresser and it crashed my computer.

 

[Jesse.m.niemi]

it will crash if you don't have adequate cooling. The argument there is do you want to spend more on a bigger cooler to get even more than the amd platform, it could be difficult to overclock the 8700k or 9700k past 4.8ghz some members have reported that they could, some have reported they couldn't reach 5ghz with similar builds.

Overclocking brings it's problems, sure.

But if you're sticking with the micro atx platform you will be locking in the decision to not overclock where if you choose to learn a bit more about it you could make a more informed decision. You might want to do it for interest's sake or you might think, ok, I can get 20% more out of the 9700k(only a few pounds difference price on amazon.co.uk between the 8700/9700k) for a 10% bigger budget than the amd r5 2600 platform, and settle for that.

Once you have bought the parts you won't be able to change your mind but it's likely full atx boards are better for overclocking. And you might want a better cooler than the 212 evo anyway, at stock speeds it is probably just about adequate but no promises.

i am firm on not overclocking at all or changing my budget. i think my pc is ok from the changes to ram and people saying amd is good option. only thing i can change is maybe the cooler from the stock to something else.

 

[Jesse.m.niemi]

Ok so get the Intel platform and also get the 9700k for £7 more it has 20% more performance than the amd platform and go for an air cooler like the noctua nh-d14 or the dark rock pro 4.

The nh-d15 is bigger, but the kraken or be quiet water loops will have yet more cooling capacity but if you aren't overclocking you won't need water coolers.

I like as much cooling as possible in any scenario to have bit extra capacity won't hurt the budget much, an extra £25 for the noctua nh d-14 seems reasonable

Product Dimensions 15.8 x 14 x 16 cm

however check it will fit your chassis, maybe another little problem for the micro atx platform.

http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/forum/366676-28-fitting-noctua-micro-desktop-case-horizontal-will

no the Noctua doesn't fit micro atx

i am able to change the cooler but for some reason dont want to change off of amd.
and i cant get water cooling because i will build the pc while with a professional pc builder thats a close friend, but i have to go to finland because he lives there and he doesnt have that much money to travel just to watch over someone build a pc. have the pc shipped and it will take 1 to 2 days in shipping

 

[Jesse.m.niemi]

The amd will cost you 10% less, you will pay more if you want greater performance on the intel platform. You might be able to overclock the amd to nibble at the intel a bit more easily but I wouldn't want to try it on a mATX board it will probably have less power phases than a full atx, so if you rule out overclocking altogether absolutely for sure, and don't want to pay more for the extra 20% performance for the intel 8/9700k platform, that makes you're only choice the r5 2600.

i understand that. this is my first build so if something goes wrong when building it isnt that bunch for anything but the gpu.
this is just a little upgrade from my current pc. and i do just want to play some games with over 200fps again like csgo, overwatch and more games i used to have at 300fps.

 

[Jesse.m.niemi]

https://www.gamersnexus.net/hwreviews/3421-intel-i7-9700k-review-benchmark-vs-8700k-and-more

give it some meaning the intel platform will give you more fps

i just want to get over 150 fps not something higher or lower. i dont want to spend a lot on my first pc because it can fail and the parts may die if i do something wrong so it would be more of a loss with intel. aster a few builds or upgrades i will turn to intel.

 

[Jesse.m.niemi]

it makes me happy that so many people saw this and helped me so fast and made me choose amd. thank you for helping me so fast

 

[LordVile]

David seems to be misleading you

Intel is not a good platform to buy into right now, it doesn’t give enough performance to warrant its price, it’s in constant flux because they never expected AMD to be this competitive again and you’re likely to be investing in a dead socket whereas Zen2 is coming to AM4 in summer and is looking to wipe away intels IPC and clock advantage for a lower cost. Leaks are the 8c/16t Zen2 CPU is faster per core than the 9900K

 

[TJ Hooker]

i just want to get over 150 fps not something higher or lower.

@Jesse.m.niemi why are you concerned about getting 150+ fps when you only have a 60 Hz monitor? Regardless, a 2600 should be fine for getting at least 150 fps in the sort of games you mentioned (csgo, overwatch).

@DavidM012 as I pointed out earlier, there kind of builds you're proposing cost more than an extra 10%. And it sounds like based on the OP's use case there'd be no appreciable difference in performance.

 

[Gam3r01]

If he overclocks it will cost more than 10% extra than his current budget to get the intel built but overclocking has been ruled out he was considering a better cooler than the evo 212 and also the 9700 for an extra £7 over the 8700

There is currently a 10% price difference between his amd and intel build. If he buys now the intel will have more performance if he buys amd he might have the option of buying another amd cpu released in 5 months later or holding off buying until later

but if the 2600 is fine because the monitor is only 60hz why not upgrade a the monitor if he's supposed to buy another cpu later on?

20% more for 10% of the price sounds like reasonable value and after building this system he probably won't look to upgrade for maybe 4 years and then what he could've waited 4 years for another advanced cpu by then.

Just to be sure it wasnt lost in the posts, you do know the intel build only has a 1060 compared to the 1070 on the AMD build?

 

[Gam3r01]

So you did miss this: http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/id-3881171/amd-friends-telling-intel.html#21732982 post, stating its supposed to be a 1060

 

[boju]

Would consider 550w minimum psu, suggested already by TJ. 400w listed in both of those builds would be cutting it really fine.

 

[shabbo]

Save your money and go with AMD with a good x470 motherboard. Upgrade to 7nm Zen 2 in a few months. Zen 2 will literally make i9 9900K obsolete. The Radeon are also way better price/ performance wise.