I3 6100 vs FX 8350??

[popeyetyty]

After seeing benchmarks they perform the same, but with the I3 i need DDR4 at a way higher speed and lower voltage with better upgrade path, but im looking for upgrading to zen anyway so upgrade path dont matter. If i go with FX i will be keeping it for 1-2 years to wait for zen to settle down a bit, but if i got I3 i will still go zen and still keep it for around a year or 2 then upgrade, so if i am going zen will it be better to get the FX and use it for a year or two, then upgrade to zen with DDR4, or go FX? If i go FX i will get more ram, if i go I3 i will buy DDR4 ram. I currently got 8GB and i want 16GB on either or setup. (I been posting a lot about what CPU i get, sorry bout so many post's i just want to get the best for around the 130-150 price range on a CPU)

 

[rhysiam]

Existing Skylake CPUs almost certainly have better per-core performance than Zen, and most games don't benefit from more than 4 hardware threads. Those that do, don't benefit from more than 6-8 hardware threads, meaning existing Skylake i7's will almost certainly be better gaming CPUs than Zen will be in a year's time.

Zen's place, if it lives up to expectations, will be in workstations and PCs used for productivity.

Yeah - the quotes got all messed up. Don't know what's going, but the "reply" button kept pulling in text from the wrong post. Sorry about that.

In terms of your post above, while I mostly agree with your expectations, I would say that Zen could well have a place in gaming/productivity cross over rigs. That includes people who stream and edit video, as well as anyone who uses their PC for both heavy lifting tasks as well as gaming.

All a CPU has to do for gaming is be good enough to keep the GPU busy. The reality is that unless you're rocking dual 1080s on a 1440P dispay or something, most Intel i5s and i7s since Sandy Bridge are good enough for most GPU setups in most games. So if Zen can offer a CPU that is effectively good enough for gaming, but offers a genuine 8 core (16 thread) CPU for the heavy lifting tasks at a competitive price, well that all of a sudden becomes an enticing proposition for myself and I suspect many others.

There will be those with high end rigs and 144hz (or higher) displays who want to squeeze every frame they can from their system. For that crowd I think you're right and they'll be better off sticking with an OC'd Intel 7700K or whatever equivalent is released. But IF (and that absolutely is still a big IF at this stage) AMD can get the single/lightly threaded performance close enough to Intel in a genuine 8 core package they could have a winner on their hands as far as I'm concerned.

 

[popeyetyty]

Existing Skylake CPUs almost certainly have better per-core performance than Zen, and most games don't benefit from more than 4 hardware threads. Those that do, don't benefit from more than 6-8 hardware threads, meaning existing Skylake i7's will almost certainly be better gaming CPUs than Zen will be in a year's time.

Zen's place, if it lives up to expectations, will be in workstations and PCs used for productivity.

Yeah - the quotes got all messed up. Don't know what's going, but the "reply" button kept pulling in text from the wrong post. Sorry about that.

In terms of your post above, while I mostly agree with your expectations, I would say that Zen could well have a place in gaming/productivity cross over rigs. That includes people who stream and edit video, as well as anyone who uses their PC for both heavy lifting tasks as well as gaming.

All a CPU has to do for gaming is be good enough to keep the GPU busy. The reality is that unless you're rocking dual 1080s on a 1440P dispay or something, most Intel i5s and i7s since Sandy Bridge are good enough for most GPU setups in most games. So if Zen can offer a CPU that is effectively good enough for gaming, but offers a genuine 8 core (16 thread) CPU for the heavy lifting tasks at a competitive price, well that all of a sudden becomes an enticing proposition for myself and I suspect many others.

There will be those with high end rigs and 144hz (or higher) displays who want to squeeze every frame they can from their system. For that crowd I think you're right and they'll be better off sticking with an OC'd Intel 7700K or whatever equivalent is released. But IF (and that absolutely is still a big IF at this stage) AMD can get the single/lightly threaded performance close enough to Intel in a genuine 8 core package they could have a winner on their hands as far as I'm concerned.

Okay, i dont have 144Hz i got 120, also what is the best LGA 1151 Mobo for 60 dollars max from newegg that supports 16-32GB of ram (DDR4)

 

[notlim981]

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813132854&nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-PCPartPicker,%20LLC-_-na-_-na-_-na&cm_sp=&AID=10446076&PID=3938566&SID=

 

[basroil]

Okay, i dont have 144Hz i got 120, also what is the best LGA 1151 Mobo for 60 dollars max from newegg that supports 16-32GB of ram (DDR4)

ALL motherboards for skylake support 32gb ram in two DIMM, but the b150 boards can support 64GB and only cost $5 more than the H110

 

[Ecky]

These boards are all excellent and support 4 sticks of RAM:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157641&nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-PCPartPicker,%20LLC-_-na-_-na-_-na&cm_sp=&AID=10446076&PID=3938566&SID=

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813132582&nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-PCPartPicker,%20LLC-_-na-_-na-_-na&cm_sp=&AID=10446076&PID=3938566&SID=

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128881&nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-PCPartPicker,%20LLC-_-na-_-na-_-na&cm_sp=&AID=10446076&PID=3938566&SID=

EDIT: And yes, I've considered Zen myself, and might get one just to tinker with, but I'm not expecting miracles. If it performs near Intel CPUs, it will be priced accordingly. There's no way an 8-core Haswell-level CPU will be priced below the i7 7700K; if it performs that well, it will be a HEDT competitor. If not... well, it's going to be in the same boat as FX CPUs are/were.

 

[popeyetyty]

Awesome thanks. I may just stick with the http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813132735&cm_re=lga_1151-_-13-132-735-_-Product is it a good mobo that will last me 7-12 years?

 

[Ecky]

Chances are very good that it will live that long, Asus is a good brand, but historically PCs have become mostly useless (too slow) after 4-6 years, so I'm not sure that it matters too much. Maybe that'll be different in the future. Even the engineers at Intel and AMD don't know what'll be on the market in 4 years, much less 7-12.

In my opinion, it's worth spending an extra $5-10 to get 2 more RAM slots, as it'll make adding RAM (the #1 upgrade you're likely to do) much easier.

 

[popeyetyty]

It may make more sense but i cant do it, i dont got money 250 MAX on CPU, 16GB DDR4 ram and the MOBO. Im already over with the 58 dollar MOBO.

 

[popeyetyty]

I also have had this Current PC for 6+ years with only CPU/GPU/RAM upgrades and no slowness at all.

 

[Ecky]

I'd rather have 8GB of RAM and a slightly better board, than 16GB and the bare minimum, but it's ultimately your call. The Asus board you linked will work very nicely, and have no trouble supporting any Skylake CPU, and probably any Kaby Lake CPU too.

 

[popeyetyty]

I'd rather have 8GB of RAM and a slightly better board, than 16GB and the bare minimum, but it's ultimately your call. The Asus board you linked will work very nicely, and have no trouble supporting any Skylake CPU, and probably any Kaby Lake CPU too.

Yes but i already get a to much memory error on BO3 or is that just optimization cause 0 other games i played have had that.

 

[Ecky]

You might be fine just increasing your page file amount, but there are some games that push the limits of 8GB. The only reason I suggest another board now is that it's easily the biggest pain to replace, given that you need to reformat and possibly even buy a new copy of Windows. RAM is a drop-in upgrade and is cheap, and growing cheaper every day.

Again, though, the Asus H110 board will work fine. The PC in my signature only has 2 RAM slots too, and I get along fine.

 

[popeyetyty]

You might be fine just increasing your page file amount, but there are some games that push the limits of 8GB. The only reason I suggest another board now is that it's easily the biggest pain to replace, given that you need to reformat and possibly even buy a new copy of Windows. RAM is a drop-in upgrade and is cheap, and growing cheaper every day.

Again, though, the Asus H110 board will work fine. The PC in my signature only has 2 RAM slots too, and I get along fine.

I have put in another MOBO before and windows worked it just i need to reactivate i got the code BUT it wont activate i get a error. Also i did put page filing but it was way stuttery.

 

[Ecky]

It won't reactivate because your copy of Windows is tied to your motherboard. If you change boards, you need to buy a new copy of Windows.

 

[popeyetyty]

It is a new code.

 

[popeyetyty]

And i dont have money for another copy.