Question i7-14700KF gets very hot while gaming ?

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Hey guys,

I just installed my new i7 14700KF on my Motherboard (MSI Z790 Gaming Plus Wifi) and 2x16 GB RAM DDR 5 Sticks.
I have XMP enabled in BIOS for the RAM.
I dont overclock.

System:

1440p Monitor
i7 14700 kf
RTX 4070
32 DDR5 RAM
WIn 11 Home


So Im using the Kraken X63 280 mm AIO. Ive mountet it tightly, tough the Bracket was loose (behind the motherboard) I dont know if thats normal? But the CPU Cooler could be mountes tightly. Is it normal that the Bracket behind the Motherboard is loose and you can move it back and forward? Or are the screws too long? I used a very good Arctic Thermal Paste and put it on the CPU like the manual on toms hardware says for 14th gen Intel CPUs.

So the idle Temperatues are around 35-40 Celsius, which should be fine (with spikes to 45-50)
While downloading a steam game usually around 55-60 Celsius. Is that too high?

But now I played Cyberpunk Phantom Liberty with Ultra Settings, Ray Tracing on, FPS Limit off, and Frame Generation off.
I get around 60-70 FPS on average.
But the temps are really high.
It averages around 60-70 Degrees. There were even spikes to 85 Degrees. I dont know why but when starting the game the CPU Workload goes to 100 Percent for a Moment and the CPU Temps spike very high. I dont know what that could be?

So my question, is 60-70 Average with Spikes to 80-85 not too high for gaming? What can I do?
 
for a i7 14700kf up to 85c is about the maximum.. you can do what i did with my 9700k.. i took my voltage down from between .115 to .200. i changed quite a few settings just forgot what but after about 15 reboots i got my CPU to run at 63 to 65c no hotter on full load while losing like 200 to 300 mhz while gaining about 700 mhz on his normal base frequency with a max turbo boost of 4.7ghz 5.0ghz max.. best case scenario save a profile of its current default settings then tinker abit to adjust that voltage and reduce your temps.
 
Jamesb8488 said:
for a i7 14700kf up to 85c is about the maximum.. you can do what i did with my 9700k.. i took my voltage down from between .115 to .200. i changed quite a few settings just forgot what but after about 15 reboots i got my CPU to run at 63 to 65c no hotter on full load while losing like 200 to 300 mhz while gaining about 700 mhz on his normal base frequency with a max turbo boost of 4.7ghz 5.0ghz max.. best case scenario save a profile of its current default settings then tinker abit to adjust that voltage and reduce your temps.
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Is there a good guide how that works? Because I dont want to damage anything, and I have no idea what to do. Also I dont want to spare on CPU Power. Do i still have enough CPU then?

So youre saying a spike to 85 Degrees is already dangerous for the CPU? Because i read TJMax would be 100.
And wouldnt you say its because wrong mountaing of the AIO? Room temperature is around 20 Degrees Celsius.
 
to some that overlock? they would say thats normal if you are confident in your work that it wont go any higher... however, i like my stuff cool. 70c is a sweet spot for most. and yeah, i just remembered you did say something about it being loose somehow... but now everything is seating correctly? i'd suggest repasting and reseating the pump again and double check to make sure its stable..

also, 14th gen is just a overvolted 13th gen cpu which is why they run hotter.. my suggestion to undervolt should be considered if the repasting doesnt work. and no, i never looked up a guide, i just went with the flow. you wont damage anything if you reduce your voltage to the CPU, just make sure you do not increase the voltage.. lol
 
Jamesb8488 said:
to some that overlock? they would say thats normal if you are confident in your work that it wont go any higher... however, i like my stuff cool. 70c is a sweet spot for most. and yeah, i just remembered you did say something about it being loose somehow... but now everything is seating correctly? i'd suggest repasting and reseating the pump again and double check to make sure its stable..

also, 14th gen is just a overvolted 13th gen cpu which is why they run hotter.. my suggestion to undervolt should be considered if the repasting doesnt work. and no, i never looked up a guide, i just went with the flow. you wont damage anything if you reduce your voltage to the CPU, just make sure you do not increase the voltage.. lol
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Ok but I guess when undervolting the Gaming Performance also decreases right? So buying that Monster CPU is worthless then.
No the loose screws were nothing. As soon as i seated the CPU Cooler it was tight.

So I guess the only way is Undervolting. Can you go back if you want the default Volting again? I mean is there like a button to go to the default settings?
 
yes, you can go back to the default settings any time. just make a back up default profile in the bios. when i undervolted my 9700k i gained performance previously it was slightly overclocked to run at 5,0ghz on turbo but was pushing up past 80c on a stock cooler... i, myself did not like that. so i make the bios changes to undervolt. as previously said.. i increased its base clock from 3.6ghz to 4.2 ghz and its max turbo boost down from 5.0ghz to 4.7ghz all while keeping my temps with a stock cooler at 63 to 65c. i've noticed a significantly more stable system than it was when it was OC'd. you can do the same with that CPU.
 
Jamesb8488 said:
yes, you can go back to the default settings any time. just make a back up default profile in the bios. when i undervolted my 9700k i gained performance previously it was slightly overclocked to run at 5,0ghz on turbo but was pushing up past 80c on a stock cooler... i, myself did not like that. so i make the bios changes to undervolt. as previously said.. i increased its base clock from 3.6ghz to 4.2 ghz and its max turbo boost down from 5.0ghz to 4.7ghz all while keeping my temps with a stock cooler at 63 to 65c. i've noticed a significantly more stable system than it was when it was OC'd. you can do the same with that CPU.
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Ok Im gonna watch JAyTwoCents Video and hope I can make some progress. Hopefully the Temperatures go down. If Im stuck Ill write again! So basically youre saying the Temperatures go down but the Performance stay the same?
 
i had a few trial and error's not really error's like i said it took me about 15 reboots.. i noticed my frequency going down as i lowered my voltage on my tests.. the frequency i noticed dropped significantly.. this was over a year ago.. i adjusted some other things and increased my clock speed allowance i should say and my frequency started going up while staying cool. as you you said, you bought a powerhouse... you have flexibility to adjust temps and still have a powerhouse over 95% of the market cuz i think the i7 14700 is ranked 11th on 3dmark benchmark software. i am actually considering buying a i7 14700k vs the 7800x3d for gaming.
 
Jamesb8488 said:
i had a few trial and error's not really error's like i said it took me about 15 reboots.. i noticed my frequency going down as i lowered my voltage on my tests.. the frequency i noticed dropped significantly.. this was over a year ago.. i adjusted some other things and increased my clock speed allowance i should say and my frequency started going up while staying cool. as you you said, you bought a powerhouse... you have flexibility to adjust temps and still have a powerhouse over 95% of the market cuz i think the i7 14700 is ranked 11th on 3dmark benchmark software. i am actually considering buying a i7 14700k vs the 7800x3d for gaming.
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Ok so basically trial by error.
The thing is I never did something like that, I hope I just can start my PC again 😀
So my question is, in JayZs Video he changes some settings in the Bios. But he has another Motherboard. Can I copy his settings for my motherboard? Or how do i know what settings i should choose there?
 
you would have to ask a expert about using settings that are adjusted to another motherboard... i personally would look at the numbers he listed and compare them to what i currently would have on my motherboard and adjust accordingly. when over or undervolting you always want to do small increments. hand write down your current temps speeds voltage etc.. it'll be easier to look at when in bios. cuz you wont have access to notepad or word of the sort.
 
Jamesb8488 said:
you would have to ask a expert about using settings that are adjusted to another motherboard... i personally would look at the numbers he listed and compare them to what i currently would have on my motherboard and adjust accordingly. when over or undervolting you always want to do small increments. hand write down your current temps speeds voltage etc.. it'll be easier to look at when in bios. cuz you wont have access to notepad or word of the sort.
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yeah i prbably should consult an expert because i didnt get anything in the video 😀
 
SteveBeast said:
the temps are really high
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Not really.

80C to 85C are normal operating temperatures for any recent Intel CPU while playing a game. Thermal throttling will automatically start at 100C to protect your CPU against any long term damage.

Trust Intel. If high temperatures were causing damage to their CPUs, Intel would have lowered the thermal throttling temperature years ago. The vast majority of Intel Core i CPUs released during the last 15 years are all set to start throttling at 100C.

There is no need to undervolt your CPU.
 
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uWebb429 said:
Not really.

80C to 85C are normal operating temperatures for any recent Intel CPU while playing a game. Thermal throttling will automatically start at 100C to protect your CPU against any long term damage.

Trust Intel. If high temperatures were causing damage to their CPUs, Intel would have lowered the thermal throttling temperature years ago. The vast majority of Intel Core i CPUs released during the last 15 years are all set to start throttling at 100C.

There is no need to undervolt your CPU.
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So 60-75 Degrees with dips to 85 while gaming would be fine in the long run? It wouldnt harm the CPU at all?
 
@SteveBeast

Why does Intel set the thermal throttling temperature to 100C? They do this because they are very confident that their CPUs can run reliably at any temperature less than 100C. They have 15+ years experience building Core i CPUs. Almost all of them are set to start throttling at 100C. I think the Intel engineers know what they are doing.

Go play some games and stop worrying about your CPU temperature.
 
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Yup. Actually intel cuts off the CPU at about 130°C so the 100° limit is already with a 30% safety margin.
If you just don't like seeing high temp numbers go into bios and see if the fan curve is set too loose, you can have the fan run full speed from the start and see if that reduces the temps.

https://www.intel.com/content/www/u...ation-processors-datasheet-volume-1-of-2.html
THERMTRIP# Thermal Trip: The processor protects itself from catastrophic overheating by use of an internal thermal sensor. This sensor is set well above the normal operating temperature to ensure that there are no false trips. The processor will stop all executions when the junction temperature exceeds approximately 130 °C. This is signaled to the system by the THRMTRIP# pin.
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TerryLaze said:
Yup. Actually intel cuts off the CPU at about 130°C so the 100° limit is already with a 30% safety margin.
If you just don't like seeing high temp numbers go into bios and see if the fan curve is set too loose, you can have the fan run full speed from the start and see if that reduces the temps.

https://www.intel.com/content/www/u...ation-processors-datasheet-volume-1-of-2.html
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Ah ok so I have to set the curve in the bios? I thought i could set it with NZXT CAM?
Ive sett all fans and the pump to CPU, and the Pump is set to 75 % steady. The Radiator Fans are set to Low Noise.

https://imgur.com/zQxQhxP
View: https://imgur.com/zQxQhxP


Heres a Picture how I set the Thermal Paste. I accidentally put a too small dot on the place where I have a red circle. Its much smaller than the other dots. I was thinking, that that could maybe support the higher temps?


2. Also I often get a notification by Norton "You have to act, NZXT CAM issued a warning for a high CPU Workload." And then it says "Minimum of 1 CPU is getting over 79% Workload." Is that normal for that kind of CPU? What can I do? I get this Issue now while downloading Updates for Microsoft FLight Simulator 2020.
 
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TerryLaze said:
Sure you can use software to do it, bios is just cleaner since it doesn't need extra software but if you are ok with it there is no problem.
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Ok so now I was playing Cyberpunk 2077 for a while, was good until now.
The Temps ramped up to 70 and the CPU Workload had a lot of spikes to 90-100 Percent.
Before it was like 25 Percent Workload. And Norton gives me another warning about NZXT CAM complaining about 1 CPU having to high Workload.
How is this possible? I just bought this CPU yesterday. Is that a virus? The Workload stays at the 80 Percents now. Thats not normal.
 
SteveBeast said:
Ok so now I was playing Cyberpunk 2077 for a while, was good until now.
The Temps ramped up to 70 and the CPU Workload had a lot of spikes to 90-100 Percent.
Before it was like 25 Percent Workload. And Norton gives me another warning about NZXT CAM complaining about 1 CPU having to high Workload.
How is this possible? I just bought this CPU yesterday. Is that a virus? The Workload stays at the 80 Percents now. Thats not normal.
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Norton is just giving an alert for high usage because often bitcoin mining viruses will work in the background without you noticing, if you are doing something getting a high usage alert is normal, if you are not doing anything and you get such an alert is when you shoudl worry.
 
Ok so I just noticed something while playing Hogwarts Legacy.
So most of the time the game runs stable with 45-65 Celsius temperature. And 5-10 CPU Workload.
But then out of the sudden, theres some CPU Workload Spikes into the 90s, and the game seems to stutter a bit, not much but noticeable. What could cause this? Could this be caused by a faulty CPU?

So this graph shows my CPU Workload while playing Hogwarts Legacy. Thats weird those spike isnt it?

https://imgur.com/a/N93FdP2
View: https://imgur.com/a/N93FdP2
 
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SteveBeast said:
a faulty CPU
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There is nothing wrong with your CPU. It sounds more like the game you are playing is not optimized or poorly written so it is trying to fully load your CPU. Programmers that write inefficient code is a common problem. No game should need to fully load a fast 14700KF - 20 core CPU.

If you want to improve how your computer runs, uninstall Norton. I stopped using any Norton software 10 or 15 years ago when it became big and bloated.
 
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uWebb429 said:
There is nothing wrong with your CPU. It sounds more like the game you are playing is not optimized or poorly written so it is trying to fully load your CPU. Programmers that write inefficient code is a common problem. No game should need to fully load a fast 14700KF - 20 core CPU.

If you want to improve how your computer runs, uninstall Norton. I stopped using any Norton software 10 or 15 years ago when it became big and bloated.
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Ok thanks. Do you have any recommendation for another antivirus program?

The thing is, this weird spikes are not only in Hogwarts but also in Cyberpunk 2077 when I tested it.
And I never had those spikes with my old i7 10700k.
Also I just noticed, while being a while only in the menu in Hogwarts Legacy, there were also those spikes to 95 %. So in the game menu, thats very weird.
 
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