i7 4790k bottleneck 1080Ti, not sure if that's the issue

[BenJi2d]

Hi there people!
As you can see from the topic, I've got a i7 4790k with an Asus Strix 1080Ti and I have a 1080p monitor. Let's not talk about how stupid this decision is if I'm not playing at 4k . I just had GTX 980 SLI, sold em both, and decided to buy what's best for the money I have. I had a huge discount on this GPU...so here I am.
Today I just bought a new SSD and reinstalled windows 10 64bit and I started testing games.
Actually a tech guy from a PC shop came home to benchmark and test my hardware. Everything was working fine. He reinstalled the windows (not that I can't, I just wanted a pro to do everything so I can be sure the problem was not from me)
So the issue is...games like Assassin's Creed Origin run at 30-40-max 50 FPS, Arkham Knight drops to around 35-40 when looking down from high places and so on.
I just spend some time reading a topic with the exact same issue (not with those games) and exact same hardware. 7 pages later and there was no correct answer or a solution. Some people told resolution is the problem, others suggested reinstall, drivers, viruses and so on. I'm currently on a 5 hours new windows, brand new SSD and brand new game (game not installed on the SSD)
The tech guy told me to buy new CPU, Motherboard and RAM cuz my CPU was bottlenecking. My current mobo is Maximus VII Hero.
My question is...should I sell my CPU,Mobo and RAM and rush to buy new ones...or there is something else I can try? Cuz it will be really hard for me to spend more money than that any time soon. What are your suggestion? Is there ANYTHING I can try?
I tried forcing the PC and the game run at 4K through NVIDIA Control Panel...but the performance is the same. I even tried to lower the Ultra High settings to High/Very High...not big of a difference.
If there is anything you can suggest...I will be very very grateful.

Thanks for reading!

Oh also...I forgot to mention. Don't know if this has anything to do with RAM, but mine is 2x8GB 1600MHz. Sometimes when I use only Chrome and Photoshop, it tells me to close some software cuz I was using too much memory. That ain't true cuz even when I have 50+ tabs on Chrome + Photoshop...it doesn't use 16GB of RAM according to Task Manager. Also according to TM, CPU Load when running Origins is around 100%...

 

[volkgren]

No way it's bottlenecking that much. Run individual benchmarks of both CPU and GPU and compare with others. Cinebench R15, Firestrike, and TimeSpy if you have it.

Post your results here.

Or, before you do that install MSI Afterburner and use the On-Screen Display to monitor in-game CPU and GPU usage and temps. Screenshot and/or let us know the numbers you see.

You shouldn't be having such low performance with the i7-4790K.

 

[Barty1884]

There's no way a 4790K, performing as it should would be a limiting factor there.

The 1080p resolution, as you mentioned, is definitely a waste - and the 1080TI is extremely unlikely to ever hit high utilization numbers.

A 6GB 1060 can do Ultra ~60FPS on Origins (for the most part), so something is definitely wrong here.

It is worth noting though, that games like Origins display some crazy CPU utilization numbers...... IIRC it's to do with the DRM features used by Ubisoft.
On top of that, Arkham Knight was a pretty poor port, that was 'fixed' somewhat, but hardly optimal.
With those two titles specifically, it's a bit hard to blame the hardware without more info - as both titles have some pretty decent flaws they're working with.

 

[BenJi2d]

Okay so...screenshots from the game and MSI.
BTW you are right about those 2 games, but I watched at least 3 videos with that GPU on youtube (but with 7700k for example) that are hitting 80-90 FPS on 1080p, 1440 and 4k so...there is something fishy with my software/hardware.
So yeah...the pics. Thanks for replying so fast tho...I am really worried.

https://imgur.com/a/Nlcjj

https://imgur.com/a/S90Pr

https://imgur.com/a/F5rUH

https://imgur.com/a/HvWcb


Ofc, they are a little lower before I started playing and after when I was taking the shots 1 by 1
If that info is not enough, just ask and I will test right away!

 

[Barty1884]

At higher resolutions, the 1080TI is free to 'ramp up'..... so higher resolutions shouldn't be a huge issue.

Your CPU temps appear pretty static, despite usage ramping up. How long were you playing for?

 

[BenJi2d]

Well, 10 min...I ran into new areas so the game can load new models and textures.
I also tried 4k through NVIDIA control panel, results are kinda the same.

 

[Barty1884]

I don't think 4k "mode" on a 1080p panel works quite the same. There's still only only the (roughly) 2.1m pixels to render.

 

[volkgren]

https://imgur.com/a/HvWcb

You are hitting 100% CPU usage, but your CPU should be more capable of hitting higher framerates, much higher. Are you sure of your CPU clock speed?

 

[BenJi2d]

It's 4.0, the default. Also..the tech guy turned on some performance boost or something and said it should go to 4.5...but thats OCing, not sure how he can do it with just changing one thing from a drop down manu. Anyways, I am sure :/
Also...he made sure hyper-threading is enabled.

 

[BenJi2d]

Guys...I reinstalled the same drivers I installed 24 hours ago...the same file on the desktop, I clocked the CPU following a legit Youtube video...and now AC:O runs fine. 60 to 75 FPS in town, 90-115 in the desert. I guess it was not botlenecking after all...
I don't understand the logic if the driver was the issue...bugged installation maybe?! I don't know...this is kinda ridiculous.
Or maybe it's the clock? Dunno. Temps are also fine for 15 min session...cpu 65 max and gpu 63 max.
That's it for me...thanks for replying and trying to help! I hope the problem never occurs again ^^

 

[luca.cambianica]

There's no way a 4790K, performing as it should would be a limiting factor there.

The 1080p resolution, as you mentioned, is definitely a waste - and the 1080TI is extremely unlikely to ever hit high utilization numbers.

A 6GB 1060 can do Ultra ~60FPS on Origins (for the most part), so something is definitely wrong here.

It is worth noting though, that games like Origins display some crazy CPU utilization numbers...... IIRC it's to do with the DRM features used by Ubisoft.
On top of that, Arkham Knight was a pretty poor port, that was 'fixed' somewhat, but hardly optimal.
With those two titles specifically, it's a bit hard to blame the hardware without more info - as both titles have some pretty decent flaws they're working with.

ust for information: this is what happened to me yesterday, confirms what is said about the CPU bottleneck, and how much Hypertreading in combination with some HW can affect.

Running set-up with VR Vive with 15 cars leaving 65 fps (the option in permanent asynchronous steamvr is activated), the Hypertreading deactivated fixed at 89.5 FPS for the whole race and without the asynchronous option !!!



Z87 expert + i7 4770k + 16 GB 2133 + gtx 980ti

 

[junssasin]

at 1080p yes bottleneck 40-50%(test on gta battlefield one etc) but at 120 fps in all games for some reason v sync is off.But at 4k no bottleneck i was able to hit 99% usage.What i released is that if a game can hit 120 fps the gpu will bottleneck at the percentage but if it down fps in some area the usage will spike to 90% but not for a long time

 

[jr9]

Usermark benchmark will tell you possibly which piece of hardware is slowing you down if any. There is no way that it is your processor.

 

[volkgren]

Usermark benchmark will tell you possibly which piece of hardware is slowing you down if any. There is no way that it is your processor.

Yeah but games can be a different story depending on how they are coded/programmed. Some games can use up the CPU more than others.

 

[jr9]

Usermark benchmark will tell you possibly which piece of hardware is slowing you down if any. There is no way that it is your processor.

Yeah but games can be a different story depending on how they are coded/programmed. Some games can use up the CPU more than others.

Software is variable always yes and hardware is your constant. Without assurance the constants are in order, performing work on the variables can become diagnostically unhelpful or worst; wasted time. I've uncovered small things such as poor SSD performance due do to incorrect motherboard port usage with usermark; makes me glad we chose not to look into the complicated Windows software structure for the software solution first which didn't exist.

 

[volkgren]

I can agree to that. I've used it before myself. I kind of like it. http://www.userbenchmark.com/