IBM Has Done Amazing Stuff in the Last 100 Years

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Evidence: Google: IBM War Crimes | DEHOMAG | WWII Punch cards ... just skip through them, if your still not convinced. read them, and look in you local library The proof will be especially among the Punch card history in WWII.

I respect your history, but I am not blaming the PC...not the GUN,etc. I am saying. Here is a company that is showing off all the good its done, but typically Covering up the Truth. it part of history WE NEED TO KNOW!
 
all this, and they can't make a reliable email program (Notes) or a server OS that doesn't require a PhD to operate (AIX). Being in the computer support industry for 14 years has shown me that IBM products suck.
 
[citation][nom]dgingeri[/nom]all this, and they can't make a reliable email program (Notes) or a server OS that doesn't require a PhD to operate (AIX). Being in the computer support industry for 14 years has shown me that IBM products suck.[/citation]
I'd think after 14 years you'd know the difference between lotus notes and other app that are only email. I have no idea why you think anyone needs a PhD to use AIX. There is always windows for you if you find unix and other similar OSs too complex. But 14 years and you think you need a PhD for AIX? I don't think you know IBM much at all if you think everything IBM makes sucks. How about that blinking cursor or CTRL+ALT+DEL? That's IBM too!
 
So to all of you hammering IBM for their involvement in WWII let me pose you a proposition...

If guns, gas chambers and processors kill people, then pencils misspell words, cars make people drive drunk and spoons make people fat.
 
[citation][nom]sizomu[/nom]Evidence: Google: IBM War Crimes | DEHOMAG | WWII Punch cards ... just skip through them, if your still not convinced. read them, and look in you local library The proof will be especially among the Punch card history in WWII.I respect your history, but I am not blaming the PC...not the GUN,etc. I am saying. Here is a company that is showing off all the good its done, but typically Covering up the Truth. it part of history WE NEED TO KNOW![/citation]

Last I checked, all this information is freely available. Where exactly is the cover up? Are you saying IBM should public announce time and again that they were part of with helping the Nazis gather population information that was used to help them in the systematic extermination of Jews, Gypsies, and others?

Should Boeing do the same? Ford? Smith & Weston? Lockheed Martin?

Technology developed and manufactured by Boeing has killed millions more than IBM's tech did in aiding the Nazis. Boeing committed no war crimes, and neither did IBM.

I usually don't feed the trolls, but you seemed to put in a lot of effort so you get a 3/10.
 
[citation][nom]njones57[/nom]So to all of you hammering IBM for their involvement in WWII let me pose you a proposition...If guns, gas chambers and processors kill people, then pencils misspell words, cars make people drive drunk and spoons make people fat.[/citation]

I had to do support for Lotus Notes for 3 years, and from the very beginning, that program had issues with working with the Windows caching, which ended up with data corruption in local databases. This led to most of my calls simply walking people through deleting the local database and downloading a new one from the server. In addition to that recurrent issue, which still isn't fixed, Notes has a horrible interface, and most of those lauded features are unusable by the general public. Horrible, horrible design.

As for AIX, I've recently been introduced to it. Figuring out how to do the install, considering the server itself didn't even give prompts on how to enter install mode, took me 3 days to find on the internet, only to find out that it is simply hitting the '5' key in a 10 second window 2 and a half minutes into its 10 minute boot up sequence. Then, trying to fix a problem finding FC devices took over 2 months to research, then contacting IBM and paying $4000 in a support call for the tech to tell me how to do it in about 30 seconds. (This also happened to be something easily found in both HPUX and Solaris and fixed in a matter of minutes.) Horrible, horrible, horrible design.
 
[citation][nom]Rick_Criswell[/nom]Amd gets their Process technology from IBM. Without IBM there would no longer be an AMD.[/citation]

Without IBM there'd be no Intel or AMD...and as such, there'd be no Rambus or Corsair... Corsair originally started out making L2 Cache modules for Intel based systems....so, no Intel, no Corsair. Rambus wouldn't have existed to develop RDRam....thus, much fewer patent lawsuits. So, I guess all of Rambus's BS patent lawsuits can be blamed on IBM as well...
 
[citation][nom]GBPackerNut[/nom]But yeah, IBM made some large leaps in technology here and there, but there is a bit of fluff in there also. Like how they like to make it sound like the SABRE project developed in the 60's is still running all of the bookings and such today. While yes SABRE is still around and responsible for most if the booking systems today, it is nothing like it was back then, and I guarantee you it isn't running on some ancient System/360's.Not to steal any of their thunder, but I just cant see where IBM has been at the front of any major technology breakthrough in the last 10 to 20 years.Intel, AMD, Motorola, Hitachi and others come to mind when I think about it.[/citation] No, we don't see much IBM today on the stage because they now deal only with big contractors. They invest BILLIONS to put ideas in research, create the prototype, then sell or license the technology to others (such Intel, AMD), and/or produce the core components (know what's on Wii/X360/PS3 CPU?) They also build and help many industries (and govrn facilities) to establish their infrastructures.

You and me, as the end-consumer seem not to care, it's normal. Once you've become a corporate executive who handle Hundreds of millions of dollars to spend, you will start to see IBM a lot, and would probably prefer working with IBM on certain things.
 
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A book published in 2001, IBM and the Holocaust, as well as a dismissed lawsuit against the company treats the use of Hollerith equipment by the Nazi government and IBM's role. In a "IBM Statement on Nazi-era Book and Lawsuit," IBM responded in February 2001 that

It has been known for decades that the Nazis used Hollerith equipment and that IBM's German subsidiary during the 1930s – Deutsche Hollerith Maschinen GmbH (Dehomag) – supplied Hollerith equipment. As with hundreds of foreign-owned companies that did business in Germany at that time, Dehomag came under the control of Nazi authorities prior to and during World War II. It is also widely known that Thomas J. Watson, Sr., received and subsequently repudiated and returned a medal presented to him by the German government for his role in global economic relations. These well-known facts appear to be the primary underpinning for these recent allegations.[14]

Browning Automatic Rifle
M1 Carbine

Despite Watson's efforts on behalf of world peace, the interests of international commerce failed to prevent the breakout of war. When the Second World War began – well before the United States was formally engaged in the conflict – Watson placed all IBM facilities at the disposal of the U.S. government. IBM's product line shifted from tabulating equipment and time recording devices to Sperry and Norden bombsights, Browning Automatic Rifle and the M1 Carbine, and engine parts — in all, more than three dozen major ordnance items and 70 products overall. Watson set a nominal one percent profit on those products and used the profits to establish a fund for widows and orphans of IBM war casualties.[15]

Allied military forces widely utilized IBM's tabulating equipment for mobile records units, ballistics, accounting and logistics, and other war-related purposes. There was extensive use of IBM punched card machines for calculations made at Los Alamos during the Manhattan Project for developing the first atomic bombs.[16] During the War, IBM also built the Automatic Sequence Controlled Calculator, also known as the Harvard Mark I for the U.S. Navy – the first large-scale electro-mechanical calculator in the U.S..

To meet wartime product demands, IBM greatly expanded its manufacturing capacity. IBM added new buildings at its Endicott, New York plant (1941), and opened new facilities in Poughkeepsie, New York (1941), Washington, D.C. (1942),[17] and San Jose, California (1943).[18] IBM's decision to establish a presence on the West Coast took advantage of the growing base of electronics research and other high technology innovation in the southern part of the San Francisco Bay Area, an area that came to be known many decades later as Silicon Valley.

IBM had expanded so much by the end of the War that the company faced a potentially difficult situation – what would happen if military spending dropped sharply? One way IBM addressed that concern was to accelerate its international growth in the years after the war, cumulating with the formation of the World Trade Corporation in 1949 to manage and grow its foreign operations. Under the leadership of Watson's youngest son, Arthur K. ‘Dick’ Watson, the WTC would eventually produce half of IBM's bottom line by the 1970s.
 
IBM is on the forefront of all major technologies. They may not produce many products any more, but they do produce most of the technology behind the products being made today.
 


Its easy to call people Trolls especially if you r not reading what I am typing. To start we should have this "HISTORY" in classes. its a major problem in education. we are thought 1% of History. It is available only if you search-good for it. I know because I am interested in what happened and therefore know a bit more of what WILL happen. Time has changed, no one in IBM(now) = A War criminal. This doc is a PR-stunt. There history has other important moments they don't want to talk about. So Supporting education would be a good step.
SO YES! Pls IBM tell us what really happened. Coming from your mouth would show you are also human, then when I have to find out my self. its kind of shocking. (like when I learned the monetary system = Fatally corrupted).

So Yes! to to all of those Corporations. I want to know the truth, so that my actions are realistic.
I will end my commenting is this tread by saying: MASSIVE THUMBS UP for what the People at IBM have done for Technology, Without them a lot of gadgets/instruments would not have been here. GREAT VIDEO and GREAT COMPANY.
 
[citation][nom]lightbulbsocket[/nom]Bet those videos don't bother to mention how IBM helped the Nazis keep track of all those concentration camp victims. That one made my jaw drop in amazement.[/citation]

Does that mean you do not like Mercedes either since that was the car Hitler drove?
 
Thomas Watson did apparently have a lack in ethical judgement in some areas sacrificing ethics for profit.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_and_the_Holocaust#IBM_business_relations_with_the_Nazi_regime

However at that time so did other American industrialists,corporations,popular figures as well for the new Germany (NAZI Germany).It's pretty much in the past although a dark period.
We can't judge IBM as a whole for a mistake of Thomas Watson.
IBM has done a lot of good things since.
 
[citation][nom]fladder80[/nom]Yawn...So, when are you going to condemn all the weapon and ammo manufacturers for killing those billions of people since the invention of the gun?[/citation]

I will, gladly. Profiting from the misery of others is an excellent way to make money. Some would even call it "an honest living." However, we all know better. Those who profit from the manufacture and sale of weapons are contributing to the death of innocent men, women, and children everywhere.

Guns have no place in the 21st century. They are a scourge on the planet, we need to shift the way we see guns in society. It will take some strong freethinking leadership to help change the attitude toward gun ownership, but someday (a long, long time from now) we will hopefully live in a world where there is no need for us to kill each other.

Only technology will make this possible. If we can develop AI smarter than ourselves, and on a very large scale, we can eliminate the have's and the have-not's. When all people on this planet are fed, sheltered, and given access to clean water, regardless of past regional politics and resource distribution, then we will have a shot at living in a world without the need for weapons. It will surely require a technological awakening. I hope I can live long enough to prolong my own life through technology, and see the day when nobody on this planet is killed for a profit.

But, wait! If the bad guys have guns, and I don't, how am I going to protect myself? Like I said, It is going to take a huge shift in the way people view guns if we will ever wipe them from the face of the planet. Gun control laws will NOT solve anything. Technology, in the hands of competent leadership(engineers and scientists, not lawyers and politicians) will free the planet from the gun and all of it's destructive force. ...Or maybe I read to much Kurzweil, you decide...

On topic: IBM, everyone knows that you had a hand in providing technology to the Nazis. It's like a Michael Jackson retrospective that doesn't mention the child abuse allegations. I suggest that you not talk about the past and focus on the future.
 
abottig, I agree with quite bit of what you said. As long as there are people who hurt or kill others there will be a need for firearms. Technology may someday help humanity out in this respect a great deal, I think it already has.

Where I think you are wrong is the assertion that we don't need firearms in this century. Last I checked, there are still plenty of rapists, murders, thieves, and most importantly the attack on liberties from many sources.

Many crimes are adverted by the simple threat of deadly force from a firearm with no shots fired. Even better yet, many people have been saved by the use of deadly force from a firearm.

Also, firearms are by far the most humane method of hunting. I know of no better method to hunt.
 
Ok, maybe going back to my post where someone basically slammed me about Motorola, contrary to your belief Moto does a heck of a lot more than just smartphones...

And what I suppose I should have said, is they spent 5 minutes talking about "SABRE" and how they developed something that is so great that even today companies like expedia and such still use it.

Which is wrong, in 1996 SABRE Holdings realized that the equipment and code could not keep up with demand, so in 2000 they partnered with Compaq to start a planned rollout to replace the old IBM TPF which was actually running on Hitachi mainframes. In 2002 HP did its thing with Compaq, and SABRE went forward with deploying their new solutions on HP hardware running RedHat on the DL & ML series servers while running NonStop Enterprise (NonStop came from an acquisition of Tandem Computers) on the rest. And for another big shocker, they use MySQL for thier databases!

So my original point is, if IBM is going to make a 30 minute film about ho we are so great, maybe they should have cleaned up a few of the facts.

Oh and the peeps that are flipping out that without IBM none of this would ever happened, get real, heck probably over 95% of the technology we have today is fueled by our tax dollars and research spent for our military over the years.
If it wouldn't have been IBM someone else such as CDC or Tandem would have been right there. In fact I believe that Control Data had the most powerful supercomputers in the world until Cray left and did his own gig. Also we probably have more to thank CDC for when it comes to hard drive technology than anyone else during that era, unfortunately their management made some bad decisions along the way and they are no longer around.

Done with my rant.
 
[citation][nom]Sizomu[/nom]NOTE: Cure for Diseases is In Nature and IN Your BODY!! So Helping Mankind is not what IBM DID!!! Killing Millions in order to Create New Millions isn't much of improvement.[/citation]

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[citation][nom]bayouboy[/nom]Last I checked, all this information is freely available. Where exactly is the cover up? Are you saying IBM should public announce time and again that they were part of with helping the Nazis gather population information that was used to help them in the systematic extermination of Jews, Gypsies, and others?Should Boeing do the same? Ford? Smith & Weston? Lockheed Martin?Technology developed and manufactured by Boeing has killed millions more than IBM's tech did in aiding the Nazis. Boeing committed no war crimes, and neither did IBM.I usually don't feed the trolls, but you seemed to put in a lot of effort so you get a 3/10.[/citation]

Hey, don't forget to mention the CLOTHES the Nazi's wore! Umm..Yeah! Cuz it they had no pantz they couldn't hav fightedededed us. Yeah! No cover ups!! I want tranzparentcy fools! Those clothe providing companies need to come cleen! >.>

Seriously.. What a stupid, pointless conversation and waste of breathe, synapse cycles, and whatever else. What IBM did then, is not important. Grow the heck up.. Or perhaps the candy I stole from the grocery store as a kid makes me a bad person..

[citation][nom]abottig[/nom]I will, gladly. Profiting from the misery of others is an excellent way to make money. Some would even call it "an honest living." However, we all know better. Those who profit from the manufacture and sale of weapons are contributing to the death of innocent men, women, and children everywhere.Guns have no place in the 21st century. They are a scourge on the planet, we need to shift the way we see guns in society. It will take some strong freethinking leadership to help change the attitude toward gun ownership, but someday (a long, long time from now) we will hopefully live in a world where there is no need for us to kill each other.Only technology will make this possible. If we can develop AI smarter than ourselves, and on a very large scale, we can eliminate the have's and the have-not's.[/citation]

You can't possibly convince me to support making Super Intelligent AI that is vastly superior to humanity.. I've seen the movies, and I want nothing to do with that shyte. 😛

 
About 35-40 years ago, while my Dad was a mechanical engineer for IBM, he worked on an interesting project. It wasn't until 20 years after the fact that the project was declassified and he could bring stuff home to show us what he had worked on. Anyway, he showed us a prototype of a computing engine that ran off of compressed air as the information medium instead of electricity - complete with air circuits and whatnot. The upper management canned the project after they produced the working prototypes, because they felt that electricity based computational engines had more potential for miniaturization. Hey, good call, IBM!
 
[citation][nom]Sizomu[/nom]Evidence: Google: IBM War Crimes | DEHOMAG | WWII Punch cards ... just skip through them, if your still not convinced. read them, and look in you local library The proof will be especially among the Punch card history in WWII.I respect your history, but I am not blaming the PC...not the GUN,etc. I am saying. Here is a company that is showing off all the good its done, but typically Covering up the Truth. it part of history WE NEED TO KNOW![/citation]

The truth is, the Nazi party took control of Dehomag, as it did almost all of Germany's industries. IBM had no control over what Dehomag did during that time period. And it is doubtful that they received *any* profits from the company during that period at all, since so much of that money was going to fuel Germany's war efforts. Also, you seem to completely miss out on the fact that, while Dehomag supplied PUNCH CARD machines to the Germans... IBM in the US supplied weapons, bomb sights, engines, etc.

Watson also only took in 1% profit from these products. All the rest of its profits went to widows and orphans of IBMer war casualties.
 
[citation][nom]porksmuggler[/nom]Your ideas intrigue me and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter.[/citation]

Well, I got the reference anyway. Love it.
 
[citation][nom]lightbulbsocket[/nom]Bet those videos don't bother to mention how IBM helped the Nazis keep track of all those concentration camp victims. That one made my jaw drop in amazement.[/citation]

With that logic.... think about all the GUN makers in the USA. Without all those guns on the market (not the same as hunting rifles), the murder rate in the USA would be much much lower.
 
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