If a just built PC goes bang on power-up...

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In article <Xns95AA2CE7C46D3wisdomfolly@151.164.30.42>,
jdoe@usenet.is.the.real.thing, a.k.a John Doe says...


> Seriously trolling?
> What is your opinion based on?

I'm more interested in learning on what basis your trolling theory was
created.

And why are you posting message headers?

 

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On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 02:03:15 GMT, "Papa" <bikingis@my.fun> wrote:

>I've never seen a computer power supply that did not include the 110/220
>selector switch. What brand and model number is the one you know about that
>is missing that switch?
>

My Zalman PSU doesn't have one. It automatically switches to needed
voltage.

 

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> Are there any regulations regardin selling stuff with the switch set
> appropiately for the relevant country? I suspect (just a hunch)
> legally the buyer is not completely at fault in this case. Anyone?

Yeah, I was thinking that. i bought it from Ebuyer.com in the UK. Not only
was the voltage select switch set wrong, but it was suppled with a mains
cable that was wrong for the UK. I've noticed Ebuyer selling non-Brit stuff
before (I Bought a Creative MP3 player from them that had a US style mains
plug). I may try and claim from them, but they'll probably claim that there
there is a warning in the case manual (and to be fair there is). I've had
loads of PCs before, and they've either not had a voltage selector switch,
or if they have, it was set to 230V and I was lucky. I feel quite foolish
not to have spotted this.

Fred.

 

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"John Doe" <jdoe@usenet.is.the.real.thing> wrote in message
news:Xns95AA2CE7C46D3wisdomfolly@151.164.30.42...
> "I.P.Freely" <i.p.freely@spamblockdsl.pipex.com> wrote:
> >"John Doe" <jdoe@usenet.is.the.real.thing> wrote in message
> >> "I.P.Freely" <i.p.freely@spamblockdsl.pipex.com> wrote:
> >> >"Fred Finisterre" <finisterre@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >>
> >> >> .....what's the most likely thing I did wrong? I had a gunshot
noise, a
> >> >> flash, and smoke coming from (near) the PSU.
> >> >> And which components are likely to be fried?
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >Depends.
> >> >
> >> >If an Intel system, probably the PSU and possibly the motherboard but
> >> >doubtful.
> >> >
> >> >If an AMD system, probably the PSU and also likely that the
motherboard &
> >> >CPU has gone along with it, possibly also the memory.
> >>
> >> Sounds like a troll (to me).
> >
> >
> >Nope, I was being serious.
>
> Seriously trolling?
>
> What is your opinion based on?

My own experience with around 400-500 PCs purchased from an insurance
clearing auction. Around 90% of the AMD systems with blown PSUs (assume from
power spikes) had dead motherboards, CPUs, Memory or combinations thereof
compared to around 10-15% of Intel based PCs with dead PSUs. Now no-one can
tell me that's a co-incidence and speaking to other dealers who also buy at
the same auction they all report the same experiences.

Why do you have this fascination with posting the headers of my messages?



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Tx2 <tx2newscollection@hotmail.com> wrote:
>jdoe@usenet.is.the.real.thing, a.k.a John Doe says...
>
>> Seriously trolling?
>> What is your opinion based on?
>
>I'm more interested in learning on what basis your trolling theory
>was created.

Sounds like a troll to me.

>And why are you posting message headers?

I posted the author's message header partly because I thought he was
trolling.




>
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"I.P.Freely" <i.p.freely@spamblockdsl.pipex.com> wrote:
>"John Doe" <jdoe@usenet.is.the.real.thing> wrote in message
....
>> >> "I.P.Freely" <i.p.freely@spamblockdsl.pipex.com> wrote:

....

>> >> >If an Intel system, probably the PSU and possibly the
>> >> >motherboard but doubtful.
>> >> >If an AMD system, probably the PSU and also likely that the
>> >> >motherboard & CPU has gone along with it, possibly also the
>> >> >memory.

>> What is your opinion based on?
>
>My own experience with around 400-500 PCs purchased from an
>insurance clearing auction. Around 90% of the AMD systems with
>blown PSUs (assume from power spikes) had dead motherboards, CPUs,
>Memory or combinations thereof compared to around 10-15% of Intel
>based PCs with dead PSUs. Now no-one can tell me that's a
>co-incidence and speaking to other dealers who also buy at the same
>auction they all report the same experiences.

Thanks. I mainly wanted to know if you had any technical reasons,
like what is the difference between the Intel/AMD power supplies and
mainboard power circuits.

It probably is something other than coincidence, however there must
be something different in order for that to happen. There are
possibilities I can think of which would mean the difference had
little or nothing to do with whether the systems were Intel or AMD
based.

 

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In article <Xns95AA45D41B7B4wisdomfolly@151.164.30.48>,
jdoe@usenet.is.the.real.thing, a.k.a John Doe says...

[...]

> >I'm more interested in learning on what basis your trolling theory
> >was created.
>
> Sounds like a troll to me

Well, thanks for the clear and concise explanation.

> >And why are you posting message headers?
>
> I posted the author's message header partly because I thought he was
> trolling.

To achieve what?

> >Path: newssvr30.news.prodigy.com ...

ROFLMAO ... weirdo alert!

 

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"John Doe" <jdoe@usenet.is.the.real.thing> wrote in message
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> "I.P.Freely" <i.p.freely@spamblockdsl.pipex.com> wrote:
> >"John Doe" <jdoe@usenet.is.the.real.thing> wrote in message
> ...
> >> >> "I.P.Freely" <i.p.freely@spamblockdsl.pipex.com> wrote:
>
> ...
>
> >> >> >If an Intel system, probably the PSU and possibly the
> >> >> >motherboard but doubtful.
> >> >> >If an AMD system, probably the PSU and also likely that the
> >> >> >motherboard & CPU has gone along with it, possibly also the
> >> >> >memory.
>
> >> What is your opinion based on?
> >
> >My own experience with around 400-500 PCs purchased from an
> >insurance clearing auction. Around 90% of the AMD systems with
> >blown PSUs (assume from power spikes) had dead motherboards, CPUs,
> >Memory or combinations thereof compared to around 10-15% of Intel
> >based PCs with dead PSUs. Now no-one can tell me that's a
> >co-incidence and speaking to other dealers who also buy at the same
> >auction they all report the same experiences.
>
> Thanks. I mainly wanted to know if you had any technical reasons,
> like what is the difference between the Intel/AMD power supplies and
> mainboard power circuits.
>
> It probably is something other than coincidence, however there must
> be something different in order for that to happen. There are
> possibilities I can think of which would mean the difference had
> little or nothing to do with whether the systems were Intel or AMD
> based.


Doubt it would be anything to do with power supplies as most are not
tailored to AMD or Intel but are fairly standard.

I do remember reading somewhere in a newsgroup that Intel CPUs have some
sort of inbuilt voltage protection or something which is why they are more
likely to survive a power surge. As they say you get what you pay for and
AMD being so much cheaper etc.

Actually the sub 1Ghz AMD CPUs tended to me more resiliant while the Athlon
XP series suffered a near 100% death rate, I can't remember one of those
being OK from a failed PC.
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Troll.

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>In article <Xns95AA45D41B7B4wisdomfolly@151.164.30.48>,
>jdoe@usenet.is.the.real.thing, a.k.a John Doe says...
>
>[...]
>
>> >I'm more interested in learning on what basis your trolling theory
>> >was created.
>>
>> Sounds like a troll to me
>
>Well, thanks for the clear and concise explanation.
>
>> >And why are you posting message headers?
>>
>> I posted the author's message header partly because I thought he was
>> trolling.
>
>To achieve what?
>
>> >Path: newssvr30.news.prodigy.com ...
>
>ROFLMAO ... weirdo alert!
>
>

 

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In article <Xns95AA5059AEB45wisdomfolly@151.164.30.44>,
jdoe@usenet.is.the.real.thing, a.k.a John Doe says...

> Troll

don't be so ridiculous

you accused someone of trolling, i asked why; you couldn't justify it,
persisted in posting unnecessary headers; then carried on in
conversation with them as if it were all perfectly normal!

Like i said, weirdo alert.

 

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"John Doe" <jdoe@usenet.is.the.real.thing> wrote in message
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> Troll.

Do you even know what a Troll is?

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>In article <Xns95AA5059AEB45wisdomfolly@151.164.30.44>,
>jdoe@usenet.is.the.real.thing, a.k.a John Doe says...
>
>> Troll
>
>don't be so ridiculous
>
>you accused someone of trolling, i asked why; you couldn't justify it,
>persisted in posting unnecessary headers; then carried on in
>conversation with them as if it were all perfectly normal!
>
>Like i said, weirdo alert.
>
>

 

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In article <Xns95AA59E2820Dwisdomfolly@151.164.30.48>,
jdoe@usenet.is.the.real.thing, a.k.a John Doe says...


> Troll

Go read between the lines, arsehole.
http://cerap.univ-paris1.fr/preseau/3-fingers.jpg


*plonk*

 

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"I.P.Freely" <i.p.freely@spamblockdsl.pipex.com> wrote:
>"John Doe" <jdoe@usenet.is.the.real.thing> wrote in message
>> "I.P.Freely" <i.p.freely@spamblockdsl.pipex.com> wrote:

....

>> >My own experience with around 400-500 PCs purchased from an
>> >insurance clearing auction. Around 90% of the AMD systems with
>> >blown PSUs (assume from power spikes) had dead motherboards,
>> >CPUs, Memory or combinations thereof compared to around 10-15%
>> >of Intel based PCs with dead PSUs. Now no-one can tell me that's
>> >a co-incidence and speaking to other dealers who also buy at the
>> >same auction they all report the same experiences.
>>
>> Thanks. I mainly wanted to know if you had any technical reasons,
>> like what is the difference between the Intel/AMD power supplies
>> and mainboard power circuits.
>> It probably is something other than coincidence, however there
>> must be something different in order for that to happen. There
>> are possibilities I can think of which would mean the difference
>> had little or nothing to do with whether the systems were Intel
>> or AMD based.
>
>
>Doubt it would be anything to do with power supplies as most are
>not tailored to AMD or Intel but are fairly standard.

But that would have everything to do with what power supplies were
on the different systems.

>I do remember reading somewhere in a newsgroup that Intel CPUs have
>some sort of inbuilt voltage protection or something which is why
>they are more likely to survive a power surge.

That would just depend on the system. As far as I know, any power
supply related thing that you can put into an Intel system you can
put into an AMD system.

>As they say you get what you pay for and AMD being so much cheaper
>etc.

Were they?

>Actually the sub 1Ghz AMD CPUs tended to me more resiliant while
>the Athlon XP series suffered a near 100% death rate, I can't
>remember one of those being OK from a failed PC.

So then you would say that slower AMD CPUs can handle power surges
better? Good grief.






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"I.P.Freely" <i.p.freely@spamblockdsl.pipex.com> wrote:
>"John Doe" <jdoe@usenet.is.the.real.thing> wrote in message

>> Troll.
>
>Do you even know what a Troll is?

Yes.


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>In article <Xns95AA59E2820Dwisdomfolly@151.164.30.48>,
>jdoe@usenet.is.the.real.thing, a.k.a John Doe says...
>
>
>> Troll
>
>Go read between the lines, arsehole.
>http://cerap.univ-paris1.fr/preseau/3-fingers.jpg
>
>
>*plonk*
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"John Doe" <jdoe@usenet.is.the.real.thing> wrote in message
news:Xns95AA5D0ADD89Bwisdomfolly@151.164.30.44...
> "I.P.Freely" <i.p.freely@spamblockdsl.pipex.com> wrote:
> >"John Doe" <jdoe@usenet.is.the.real.thing> wrote in message
> >> "I.P.Freely" <i.p.freely@spamblockdsl.pipex.com> wrote:
>
> ...
>
> >> >My own experience with around 400-500 PCs purchased from an
> >> >insurance clearing auction. Around 90% of the AMD systems with
> >> >blown PSUs (assume from power spikes) had dead motherboards,
> >> >CPUs, Memory or combinations thereof compared to around 10-15%
> >> >of Intel based PCs with dead PSUs. Now no-one can tell me that's
> >> >a co-incidence and speaking to other dealers who also buy at the
> >> >same auction they all report the same experiences.
> >>
> >> Thanks. I mainly wanted to know if you had any technical reasons,
> >> like what is the difference between the Intel/AMD power supplies
> >> and mainboard power circuits.
> >> It probably is something other than coincidence, however there
> >> must be something different in order for that to happen. There
> >> are possibilities I can think of which would mean the difference
> >> had little or nothing to do with whether the systems were Intel
> >> or AMD based.
> >
> >
> >Doubt it would be anything to do with power supplies as most are
> >not tailored to AMD or Intel but are fairly standard.
>
> But that would have everything to do with what power supplies were
> on the different systems.
>
> >I do remember reading somewhere in a newsgroup that Intel CPUs have
> >some sort of inbuilt voltage protection or something which is why
> >they are more likely to survive a power surge.
>
> That would just depend on the system. As far as I know, any power
> supply related thing that you can put into an Intel system you can
> put into an AMD system.
>
> >As they say you get what you pay for and AMD being so much cheaper
> >etc.
>
> Were they?
>
> >Actually the sub 1Ghz AMD CPUs tended to me more resiliant while
> >the Athlon XP series suffered a near 100% death rate, I can't
> >remember one of those being OK from a failed PC.
>
> So then you would say that slower AMD CPUs can handle power surges
> better? Good grief.


I am just putting into writing my own experiences. Would you rather me lie?

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Experience without basic theory makes one his own worst
enemy. Important facts were posted previously. No properly
constructed power supply can damage RAM, motherboard, and
CPU. If one's observation are contrary, then one has
demonstrated how many computers are built by computer
assemblers with only a bean counter mentality. Computers
built on monetary considerations rather than using basic
technical knowledge. The lesson: buy power supplies that are
not dumped into the economy (because so many computer
assemblers don't have fundamental knowledge).

Important expression is 'over voltage protector'. Regardless
of voltage selector switch, no damage must occur beyond the
PSU. That was even required 30 years ago. Basic power supply
knowledge makes obvious what BigH2K posted:
> If it was a decent quality PSU then all your components
> should be fine, ...

Experience without fundamental knowledge can result in wild
and erroneous speculation. A power supply that damages
computer components was defective when purchased and exists
because the computer assembler never first learned basic power
supply fundamentals.

"I.P.Freely" wrote:
> "John Doe" <jdoe@usenet.is.the.real.thing> wrote in message
> news:Xns95AA5D0ADD89Bwisdomfolly@151.164.30.44...
> ...
>> So then you would say that slower AMD CPUs can handle power surges
>> better? Good grief.
>
> I am just putting into writing my own experiences. Would you
> rather me lie?
>
> --
>
> I.P.Freely

 

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"I.P.Freely" <i.p.freely@spamblockdsl.pipex.com> wrote in message news:<41a3585f$0$10003$cc9e4d1f@news-text.dial.pipex.com>...

.......<snip>.......
>
> I am just putting into writing my own experiences. Would you rather me lie?

Speaking of personal experiences, here's mine. Three of the computers
I assembled for friends suffered lightning strikes this year, all of
them Athlon XPs linked by a neighborhood network.

The lightning bolt partially vapourised a (fortunately) disused
cordless phone antenna on the roof of one of them. Smoke rose from the
house and neighbors ran to see if anyone was hurt. One computer had a
discrete LAN card which was destroyed while the other two had
integrated LAN ports and the motherboards had to be replaced - mobo
chips were literally blown apart and the network switch was a charred
mess. But the CPUs and other components all survived and everything
ran as usual the next day.

Another computer, also an Athlon XP that I built for a local cable TV
company, was damaged last year in a freak accident that caused 60V AC
to be fed back to the computer via the video signal link. The mobo
also had chips blown up and had to be replaced along with the PSU, HDD
and RAM. The CPU survived and is still going strong today.

 

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"Fred Finisterre" <finisterre@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> > Are there any regulations regardin selling stuff with the switch set
> > appropiately for the relevant country? I suspect (just a hunch)
> > legally the buyer is not completely at fault in this case. Anyone?
>
> Yeah, I was thinking that. i bought it from Ebuyer.com in the UK. Not only
> was the voltage select switch set wrong, but it was suppled with a mains
> cable that was wrong for the UK. I've noticed Ebuyer selling non-Brit
stuff
> before (I Bought a Creative MP3 player from them that had a US style mains
> plug). I may try and claim from them, but they'll probably claim that
there
> there is a warning in the case manual (and to be fair there is). I've had
> loads of PCs before, and they've either not had a voltage selector switch,
> or if they have, it was set to 230V and I was lucky. I feel quite foolish
> not to have spotted this.

Tis a silly thing to overlook, but I seem to recall reading other people had
done this on one of the Ebuyer product reviews, think it was one of the
cheap cases when I was looking for a PSU. So you're a bit daft, but on the
bright side, you're not the only one

 

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"John Doe" <jdoe@usenet.is.the.real.thing> wrote in message
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> Troll.

Top-posting weirdo!

Tony

 

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"Zotin Khuma" <zotin_k@rediffmail.com> wrote in message
news:304fc392.0411231241.485af2ea@posting.google.com...
> "I.P.Freely" <i.p.freely@spamblockdsl.pipex.com> wrote in message
> news:<41a3585f$0$10003$cc9e4d1f@news-text.dial.pipex.com>...
>
> ......<snip>.......
>>
>> I am just putting into writing my own experiences. Would you rather me
>> lie?
>
> Speaking of personal experiences, here's mine. Three of the computers
> I assembled for friends suffered lightning strikes this year, all of
> them Athlon XPs linked by a neighborhood network.
>
> The lightning bolt partially vapourised a (fortunately) disused
> cordless phone antenna on the roof of one of them. Smoke rose from the
> house and neighbors ran to see if anyone was hurt. One computer had a
> discrete LAN card which was destroyed while the other two had
> integrated LAN ports and the motherboards had to be replaced - mobo
> chips were literally blown apart and the network switch was a charred
> mess. But the CPUs and other components all survived and everything
> ran as usual the next day.
>
> Another computer, also an Athlon XP that I built for a local cable TV
> company, was damaged last year in a freak accident that caused 60V AC
> to be fed back to the computer via the video signal link. The mobo
> also had chips blown up and had to be replaced along with the PSU, HDD
> and RAM. The CPU survived and is still going strong today.

I once had a bolt of lightning shoot out of my floppy drive, bounce off my
cat, and then into my dog. Now my dog can fly, and my cat can make herself
invisible whenever she wants to. Oh yeah, now both the dog and cat are able
to talk now too.
;-)

 

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In article <cnv47d$gjn$1@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk>, Fred Finisterre
<finisterre@gmail.com> writes

>Yeah, I was thinking that. i bought it from Ebuyer.com in the UK. Not only
>was the voltage select switch set wrong, but it was suppled with a mains
>cable that was wrong for the UK. I've noticed Ebuyer selling non-Brit stuff
>before (I Bought a Creative MP3 player from them that had a US style mains
>plug). I may try and claim from them, but they'll probably claim that there
>there is a warning in the case manual (and to be fair there is).

I disagree. If it's sold for use in the UK, it has to be suitable for
its intended market, therefore it should be sold with the switch
correctly set.

In your situation, I'd change the switch to 230V and raise a RMA with
ebuyer. Just say the PSU went bang on power up (this is a fairly common
failure mode even when the switch is correctly set); don't tell them the
switch was wrong.

The Antec True 380 is a nice PSU, it'd be worth getting a replacement
under warranty. They're almost 60 quid new.

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In article <Xns95AA6065B9C20wisdomfolly@151.164.30.48>, John Doe
<jdoe@usenet.is.the.real.thing> writes
>Troll.

*plonk*

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>From: Trout fish@no.email

>On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 02:03:15 GMT, "Papa" <bikingis@my.fun> wrote:
>
>>I've never seen a computer power supply that did not include the 110/220
>>selector switch. What brand and model number is the one you know about that
>>is missing that switch?
>>
>
>My Zalman PSU doesn't have one. It automatically switches to needed
>voltage.

My Thermaltake psu doesn't have a switch either and is automatic.