News Intel 18A Panther Lake and Clearwater Forest CPUs are booting — steady progress toward the next-gen lithography node

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from your Panther Lake link:
>It's close to impossible to tell how these CPUs will stack up against
>Meteor Lake, Arrow Lake, and Lunar Lake in terms of performance.

Also from the link, Panther Lake 15w-25w TDP meant for laptops ... maybe I'll give up the workstation and go for laptop plus docking station, I dunno. What about staging RAM inside the processor package?

Intel sure has a lot of irons in the fire.
 
"The Panther Lake client processor is powered on and booting Windows, yielding well, in use inside Intel and ahead of schedule on product qualification milestones," said Kevin O'Buckley, Intel senior vice president and general manager of Foundry Services. "Clearwater Forest [CPU] for datacenter is powered on, booting operating systems, in use inside Intel and performing well."

Well, of course they're gonna trump this kinda crap out. After the debacle of the last few weeks with the continuing issues for 13th/14th Gen CPU's they have to try put some kinda positive spin out. I'd say it's squeaky bum time at Intel right now!
 
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gg83 said:
Either this is to ward off further stock drops or this is great news.
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(Why not both?)
 
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I'm really curious what the followup to LNL will be as there haven't really been any words on it. I'd say maybe they're waiting to see how LNL goes, but realistically they'd have had to already decide to have any parts ready to go. It seems like Intel should be able to do the entire CPU with IFS if they wanted to do a PTL based update.
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If it is on track, Intel is set to regain leadership in the Data Center segment by the time Granite Rapids comes out.
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GNR is Intel catching up with AMD with regards to high performance density using Intel 3 which is a long term node. I think it's fair to say it'll be competitive, but I doubt it will put Intel back in the driver's seat.

SRF is Intel's first foray into truly high core count and seems to be their most promising enterprise part. This seems to be the reason for the focus on CWF and I'm not sure there's even a codename in the wild for the next P-core Xeon.

It has been weird to see Intel pushing Xeons later than the desktop parts which has been consistent since Ice Lake. It'll be interesting to see what the next P-core Xeons look like.
 
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Booting up is a good sign, but we won’t be able to tell how Intel’s node will fare against TSMC. The problem for Intel is, when they use TSMC almost entirely for their Lunar Lake CPU, they have a high bar to meet when moving back to their own foundry in the succeeding generation. Any weaknesses in Intel foundry will quickly become apparent.
 
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watzupken said:
Booting up is a good sign, but we won’t be able to tell how Intel’s node will fare against TSMC. The problem for Intel is, when they use TSMC almost entirely for their Lunar Lake CPU, they have a high bar to meet when moving back to their own foundry in the succeeding generation. Any weaknesses in Intel foundry will quickly become apparent.
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I'm sure there will be plenty of comparisons between Intel 7 and TSMC n3b.

I'd like to see a tuned for efficiency vs tuned for efficiency at the same clocks comparison to see the relative power draw.
Or both undervolted, set to the same clocks, cores and run at the same power limit to see the relative performance.
But not stock, stock on RPL is not very good when it comes to efficiency.

The silicon will soon be available. The results may be difficult to interpret, but would be interesting nonetheless. Would even be better to wait a month or 2 and get ARL in there.
 
Hmm yes right of course they are what better way to try and deflect the complete chaos around 12 and upwards Gen, it was obvious from the voltage and heat they were pushing that something was going to go wrong, to me this is just Intel back up to its old dirty disinformation tricks, remember they knew about the CPU issues with 12th Gen but still pushed 13th and 14th regardless
 
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craigss said:
Hmm yes right of course they are what better way to try and deflect the complete chaos around 12 and upwards Gen, it was obvious from the voltage and heat they were pushing that something was going to go wrong, to me this is just Intel back up to its old dirty disinformation tricks, remember they knew about the CPU issues with 12th Gen but still pushed 13th and 14th regardless
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There is no known issue with 12th gen, what are you referring to?
 
so 12th gen had no IHS issues that caused a whole raft of issues ans special mounts to be made by the aftermarket?
Yet they still released it to the tester...opps public!
If you care to cast your mind back to 1993 we had the same issues with Intel sweeping the issue under the carpet until called out by Thomas Nicely, Intel has History of bad customer care and has been judicially found guilty of anti competitive behaviour, its also the only CPU I ever bought that failed and my RMA was refused as it was a tray item and a self build, have not bought Intel since and wont ever again, rotten to the core as has been proven once again
 
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craigss said:
so 12th gen had no IHS issues
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Nope

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that caused a whole raft of issues ans special mounts to be made by the aftermarket?
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Enthusiasts have been doing that long before 12th gen. Delids, lapping, custom ihs, custom heatspreader have been around since at least 2015. They exist for zen 4 as well btw. I mean amd made a big deal about their new and improvement ihs on zen 5 compared to previous gen.

Let's check the temperatures under u14 between an i7 12700k (the one that you are claming has ihs issues) against a ryzen 7 7700x. I might not be seeing something but I can't see an IHS issue here. Or to put it better, I can see an IHS issue, but not with 12th gen.

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You are writing nonsense again. You know perfectly well about the loss of warranty on the motherboard when replacing the integrated ILM with a custom one. And this had to be done for all PL>150, not just for delidding, as you are trying to promote.
It is not very kind of you to be an advertiser for Intel. Thank you
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Enthusiasts have been doing that long before 12th gen. Delids, lapping, custom ihs, custom heatspreader have been around since at least 2015. They exist for zen 4 as well btw. I mean amd made a big deal about their new and improvement ihs on zen 5 compared to previous gen.

Let's check the temperatures under u14 between an i7 12700k (the one that you are claming has ihs issues) against a ryzen 7 7700x. I might not be seeing something but I can't see an IHS issue here. Or to put it better, I can see an IHS issue, but not with 12th gen.

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Peksha said:
You are writing nonsense again. You know perfectly well about the loss of warranty on the motherboard when replacing the integrated ILM with a custom one. And this had to be done for all PL>150, not just for delidding, as you are trying to promote.
It is not very kind of you to be an advertiser for Intel. Thank you


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Im an advertiser for facts.

Yes, you can lose your warranty if you delid your intel or amd cpu. That's why you probably shouldn't.

I've already posted the temperatures of a 12700k, it's 20C lower than the equivalent zen 4 chip. I don't see how it needs an IHS replacement. Please elaborate.
 
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This is indeed good news. Who knows what might happen with TSMC in the foreseeable future, so it's definitely a great thing to have a competitor that is on track with cutting-edge process-node technology.
The more foundries stay competitive the better for all consumers, as competition drives technological advancement and reduces prices.
 
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GNR is Intel catching up with AMD with regards to high performance density using Intel 3 which is a long term node. I think it's fair to say it'll be competitive, but I doubt it will put Intel back in the driver's seat.
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It's worth remembering that Intel got in the "drivers seat" only because AMD made a fatal decision with regards to their Bulldozer microarchitecture that left AMD CPUs trail their competitor in almost every metric for the better part of a whole decade. Add some shady buisness practices from Intel's side that tried to cut off AMD from large parts of the market and AMD's reduced cash flow because of that - and you get a recipe for disaster.
Instead of innovating, Intel rested on their laurels and literally stopped developing their microarchiteture as well as fabircation processes, staying for many years at small Skylake-variations and 14+++etc nm process nodes (adding each year an additional "+"), while keeping prices high and intergenerational performance increases low.
That's what a monopoly causes, and that's why it is great when there are always several players doing their best to get the consumers' attention.
 
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