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I doubt an X series chipset will ever go dual channel. Intel isn't that bad.
 


Well, for a basic gaming rig, I think they are quite fine. Like an HTPC kind of small gaming package.

Cheers!
 
Hi guys im upgrading my setup with a new gigabyte z270 gaming k3 mobo and got a i5 kabylake to go with it, i heard windows 7 wont work, my previous build hdd is windows 7, will it boot? Or will it not even boot? Or will it boot and tell me to upgrade? What exactly happens
 


Were not sure honestly. Jay did a video on YouTube which demoed that Windows 8 can work, it's just not supported. He did experience glitching aswell.

So I'm assuming it will work, but you'll probably get glitches. So definitely move to windows 10 ASAP.

[video="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3yXD8BpJMsI"][/video]
 
Just out of curiosity here... What does Win10 do so well that you guys think it's a worthy replacement for Win7? I'll even extend that to WinXP.

I know Kaby Lake """" needs """" Win10 for some shenanigans, but that sounds more like BS than actual requirement from the development perspective. There are little circumstances where they are "technical" limitations as to "management decisions". It was like DX9 and XP and now Win10 and DX12.

So, please, illustrate it for me, because I really don't see a point. Personally, I moved out of XP because the driver support for my 4890 was put in legacy and the 7970 didn't have XP support. I still have my Gentoo installation from university going strong in one of my old house notebooks with up to day browsers and all. Still using kernel 2.6 though.

Cheers!
 


Security. It is easily provable that every new OS is vastly more secure than a current up to date patched OS. When 7 came out it was more secure than XP SP3.

Beyond that it is the enhancements that can utilize the new features.

Lets look at it this way. WDDM is a massive part of the driver framework in Windows for graphics. They have tried, from what I remember, to update older OSes to the newer versions but it normally has a ton of issues as that is like re-writing a pretty big part of the OS so that normally never gets updated to older OSes.

Windows 10 Anniversary update has support for WDDM 2.1 which has support for SM 6.0, RTM 10 only has WDDM 2.0 which does not support SM 6.0.

Beyond that, from an IT perspective it is about support. The more OSes you have in circulation, the more support you have to have. We have 7, 8.1 and 10 right now and will probably be phasing 7 out. I would love to not have 8.1 but one of our site is still on a very old program that wont work on 10.

it is also cheaper as once an OS becomes "Extended Support" they also stop producing new licenses for it and most companies have to go to what is called VLK (Volume Licensing) which is just absurdly expensive compared to OEM licensing.
 
I have a counter for all your points, but I'm too lazy to start an argument war around Win10 in an Intel thread. I will just close this by saying there is no such thing as a "secure OS". Oh, and there's a theory about aging software: "software entropy". It's an interesting topic, you guys could read a bit about that in case you aren't familiar with the concept.

Also, ironically enough, wasn't Win10 the OS that had a security issue recently that mandated something akin to an emergency patch or something? I didn't read if it extended to Win7, though.

Cheers!
 
They didn't say Windows 10 was secure, they said "vastly more secure", which is accurate, its the nature of learning from previous mistakes.

Windows 10 is kind of the love child between 7 and 8.1 as far as the interface, but there really is no appreciable advantage in 7 over 10. As noted, 10 has better compatibility for the latest tech, including Kaby Lake CPU's and like the upcoming Ryzen.

At this point, unless you have a piece of software that you can't (or refuse to) replace/upgrade, there just is no downside to Windows 10, especially with programs like Start10 for the people that don't like the start menu's appearance.

Considering it was and technically still is a free upgrade, it's worth the price. But for people looking to purchase it for an older computer as an upgrade from 7, there isn't much incentive. I loved Windows 7 and still think it's the cleanest OS MS has made yet, but you can only live in the past so long before it becomes an issue.
 


As Maartell said, more secure /= secure. Just that it is more secure.

That said I would love to see you counter my WDDM point and SM 6.0. I am sure you could try using Vulkan which will work on 7 but the majority of games still use DX.

That said, another advantage is that newer OSes are typically built around the newer hardware. Native support for features, such as 8 and up having USB 3.0 drivers in native and support for newer interfaces out of the box.

I loved XP, although I now see it looked pretty bad from a UI standpoint.

I still like 7 but it is in Extended support and will be killed off in a few years. I don't see Microsoft investing heavily in an older OS. They can't keep supporting all the OSes.

 
http://wccftech.com/intel-core-i7-7740k-core-i5-7640k-amd-ryzen/

Huh, I guess this is legit (techpowerup is also saying similar stuff to what wccftech is). So Kaby Lake X will have "super clocked" core i7s and hyperthreaded core i5s on QUAD channel memory controllers.
 


The thing is, they aren't mainstream CPU's, they are on the 2066 socket. If this is a response to Ryzen, it gives the impression that Intel got a glimpse of Ryzen's actual performance numbers and it spooked them. The problem is that high end Ryzen CPU's will use the same motherboards as the low end (unless I missed something), so there wont be a massive added platform cost, unlike the Intel offerings.

It mentions that the new SKU's run hotter so I wonder if OC capability will be hampered by the lower heat window. I know that someone using the 2066 platform with one of these CPU's will likely not have a problem with the cost of a good cooler, but starting hotter would make me think that overclocking will be limited to some extent.

The i5 7640k seems odd, it's base clock is 0.2ghz faster but there doesn't seem to be any boost, so the i5-7600k with a good cooler can boost to 0.2ghz faster and sustain it. I guess that beyond the change to socket 2066 and the features that brings, I miss the point of the CPU. If you are going to invest in the 2066 platform, why get the i5? I guess I can't imagine why someone would spend all the extra money, then cheap out on the CPU.
 


LOL there putting a mainstream core i5 and i7 on the X series platform? That's dumb in my opinion. Just lower the prices of the hexa and octo core i7s.
 
Seems like Intel needs to re-brand if they want to do all these cross platform naming shenanigans.

Celeron : Dual core
Pentium : Dual core HT
i3 : Quad
i5 : Quad HT
i7 : Hex HT
i9 : Octo HT
i9X : 10+ HT
 
If Ryzen is successful enough, CannonLake might end up being better than expected. I know I was only expecting at most a 10% performance bump with some efficiency boost. But now, as Eximo stated, the i7 might be a mainstream 6+ core CPU.

I was hoping AMD would get Intel out of complacency.
 


We all knew intel would go for hexa core i7s in the mainstream eventually. It was inevitable.

I'm very sure cannonlake is going to be a very good part, there is no way Intel is gona sit while Ryzen steals away sales.
 
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