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[citation][nom]drwho1[/nom]anything higher is not worth it.[/citation]unless of course you run a server, but who has a server, geez take your sour grapes elsewhere bub.
 
[citation][nom]drwho1[/nom]still don't care until SSD's are big and cheap enough for the mass market.at least 500GB for around $100-150.anything higher is not worth it.[/citation]
How's that HDD score of yours?

Seriously, a SSD will vastly improve your everyday experience with your computer. The best way to describe it is that if you have a half-decent CPU at all, your computer will never feel slow. Ever. Small or medium file operations are instant, programs launch instantly...

Large file operations, AV scans, and other things on the HDD that used to slow your computer to a crawl don't slow it down at all anymore. I'll give you a recent example. I was copying 50GB of photos onto an external HDD, playing a 1080p movie, and playing AoC. My god...my computer was chugging like hell. The game was running somewhere around 5fps, and the movie not much better, with occasional drops to pretty much nothing. I had had enough of this, so I quit AoC and started The Witcher 2 (on the SSD). Immediately the movie went to its proper framerate (I didn't measure, but it seemed like it), and TW2 Vsynched(60).
Normally, I'm not doing three HDD-intensive operations at once, but the great thing with the SSD is that the system(and most programs) are always responsive, no matter what I'm doing.

Edit: This is also possible with something like a VelociRaptor, but the effect is less pronounced, and you do not gain the cool and silent benefits. For a program/boot drive more likely to experience random reads, a SSD is the best way to go.

Another "bonus" of a SSD (I actually have found it to be a plus) is that you're forced to keep your main drive (SSD) relatively clean and organized.

Don't knock it before you try it.
 
[citation][nom]Travis Beane[/nom]Faster and cheaper every day, SSD is becoming a serious alternative now for more than just power users.[/citation]
At the current price points, SSD's are only alternatives for power users and enthusiasts. Currently, an SSD with the capacity I need is at $380 on Newegg, and it's an OCZ Vertex...or $500 for an OCZ Colossus LT...$380 for a 250GB drive in just insane, especially when I can get a 6, 500gb mechanical drives for less...or 10, 250GB mechanical drives...
 

I like my RAM because it doesn't cost $1000 like that SSD will.

Still, kudos to Intel. Keep up the great work. This will trickle down to mainstream someday, and that would be amazing.
 

That's why you don't buy the SSD for all your files. Just get one big enough to stick your programs on. If you have more money to blow, get one big enough to put your games/large programs (I'm looking at you, Adobe) on.
 
[citation][nom]rantoc[/nom]Indeed, likely Intel's with the 720 have made what Ocz did with their Revo Drive line. Tons of nands and several controllers linked together with a raid chip. If so the question is what raid level is used (hopefully something like raid5 since it can handle if one of the controllers die completely but more likely raid0 due to cost) and the bigger question - Does it support trim? Or the burst could be explained that intel uses a clever ram cache on the pci-e board, time will tell![/citation]

Well we will just have to wait and get more info as the release date is nearer.
 
[citation][nom]lee3821[/nom]I like my RAM because it doesn't cost $1000 like that SSD will.Still, kudos to Intel. Keep up the great work. This will trickle down to mainstream someday, and that would be amazing.[/citation]

Well, the way pc hardware is going, I see more and more component is going into the cpu die itself, eg, northbridges and now the gpu, I am not surprise in the future ram and storage is also join the club. After all, the most powerful computing device we know, the human brain incorporate everything together in 1 lump.
 

It'll be interesting to see, but the issue I can see here is thermals. Right now, what's on the CPU die is heavily limited by your TDP. Perhaps it may happen as things become more cool and efficient, but for performance systems, it isn't going to happen son.

It is, however, already happening exactly as described. That's what a SoC is.
 

Eh...more like two steps forward and five steps left. The mere fact that they have this kind of speed on a large, non-volatile medium that is less prohibitively expensive than other options is amazing. I'm sure the power consumption will improve in time. It might have something to do with the PCI Express link....Also, if you want to talk power savings, don't look at your SSD. Even 25 isn't much compared to your GPU, CPU, or even motherboard.

I will agree though...It would be great if the power consumption improved. It probably will in time, as will the price (which is arguable more important).
 
[citation][nom]aaron88_7[/nom]I love how quickly SSD's are advancing, but only because I don't yet own one. I'm still holding out until the capacity and cost per gigabyte comes down a bit more. If I actually bought one I'd be pissed because it seems in 3 months whatever you buy now will be completely obsolete by a newer, faster, and cheaper model.[/citation]
It's not as bad as you think. I bought a g.skill phoenix pro 60gb just as a system drive, and after 6 months the price has actually increased (thought it seems to go up and down), and the speeds are still better than some of the brand new releases. I also talked my boyfriend into getting one just last month...took months of convincing - he kept saying how he has raid and it's already good blah blah blah - but once he installed his new ssd, he couldn't believe the difference. It's really that good! Nice to see the envelope being pushed ever further, but the prices really must become a bit more reasonable.
 

I've had pretty much the same experience. Got a 80GB G2 X-25M when they were new and the top of the food chain. Its price has gone down a little, and some of the newer ones are faster than it, but it still is amazing and I feel great about my purchase. I just bought a 120GB X-25M for my laptop, and it's great too.
 
[citation][nom]drwho1[/nom]still don't care until SSD's are big and cheap enough for the mass market.at least 500GB for around $100-150.anything higher is not worth it.[/citation]

Nope, bandwidth isn't everything. Its latency that matters, and it will have a much much higher latency then ram. This is why SSDs work so much better then HDDs, its not the bandwidth, its the latency advantage. Most of the time you are pushing small chunks of data around so total bandwidth is no where near as important.
 
bleh got the wrong quote up there, ment to quote "if the speed ceeps improving we might not need ram eny more,"
 
My Boot drive is 500GB and I feel is the perfect size/price ratio.
and to me is not slow at all, could it be faster with SSD? sure but I'm NOT going to spend 10 times as much for it.

Double as much is doable and reasonable, but any more than double is just stupid.

I'm also running 6 green 2TB hard drives for my movies and TV shows, and neither of them are by any means "slow".

Movies plays perfectly, I even connected my Plasma to my main computer for this purpose.... Entertainment.

I rarely play my movies on my "normal" DVD player.

I can't justify the current price/size/performance of SSD's.

Maybe 5 years from now (by then it will be around a decade that SSD's are around) companies might have finally figure out the right price point for the mass market.
 
[citation][nom]drwho1[/nom]My Boot drive is 500GB and I feel is the perfect size/price ratio.and to me is not slow at all, could it be faster with SSD? sure but I'm NOT going to spend 10 times as much for it.Double as much is doable and reasonable, but any more than double is just stupid.I'm also running 6 green 2TB hard drives for my movies and TV shows, and neither of them are by any means "slow".Movies plays perfectly, I even connected my Plasma to my main computer for this purpose.... Entertainment.I rarely play my movies on my "normal" DVD player.I can't justify the current price/size/performance of SSD's.Maybe 5 years from now (by then it will be around a decade that SSD's are around) companies might have finally figure out the right price point for the mass market.[/citation]
then my friend, SSD's are not for you. it's just that simple. with the tasks you do on your pc, it's totally worthless buying an SSD.
BUT, to keep on insisting that it is UNreasonable is plain stupid.
i dev programs, game once in a while, photoshop on my past time, and watch movies. i feel that a 80GB SSD would fit my need perfectly because i still feel hiccups on my system (phenom II x4 3.6GHz, 4GBripjaws, GTX 460). for my OS, at least 2 games, dev tools, photoshop. and a spare drive for my personal files. you missed the point of having an SSD.
 
[citation][nom]rantoc[/nom]Or the burst could be explained that intel uses a clever ram cache on the pci-e board, time will tell![/citation]That's what I thought, but the spec sheet indicates that it's the sustained speed.

512 MB does seem like a crazy amount of DRAM. Maybe it's used for some clever read/write re-ordering & read-ahead techniques.
 
[citation][nom]Travis Beane[/nom]Faster and cheaper every day, SSD is becoming a serious alternative now for more than just power users.[/citation]I think it would be more accurate to say faster OR cheaper. Like OCZ's high-end offerings, the 720 will not be cheap. You get serious performance, but you will pay seriously for it!
 
[citation][nom]kinggremlin[/nom]25Watts? That's way beyond even 10 year old 15k SCSI drives. How did they manage to make it consume that much power?[/citation]Don't think of it as equal to a single drive. If you needed top-notch performance, you would have been running a RAID of 15k disks. And even that still couldn't touch the throughput or IOPS of the 720.

And compared to what a high-end CPU burns, it's really not that much.
 
[citation][nom]jimmysmitty[/nom]PCIe bus, thats how. A PCIe 2.0 x16 lane provides 150 watts of power while SATA doesn't. Its possible that the bus itself is unable to throttle power usage or in order to obtain those speeds, they need a minimal amount of power at all times.[/citation]Imma hafta call BS on this. ATI/AMD's 5450 graphics card uses only 6 watts @ idle, and it's a 16x PCIe 2.0 card.
 
[citation][nom]carlhenry[/nom]then my friend, SSD's are not for you. it's just that simple. with the tasks you do on your pc, it's totally worthless buying an SSD.BUT, to keep on insisting that it is UNreasonable is plain stupid.i dev programs, game once in a while, photoshop on my past time, and watch movies. i feel that a 80GB SSD would fit my need perfectly because i still feel hiccups on my system (phenom II x4 3.6GHz, 4GBripjaws, GTX 460). for my OS, at least 2 games, dev tools, photoshop. and a spare drive for my personal files. you missed the point of having an SSD.[/citation]
But, see, there-in lies the problem. People keep thinking SSD's are gonna drop drastically in price, but, they have no reason to. They're a luxury. That'd be like people thinking that Intel's 990x is gonna be around $100 sometime soon. Not gonna happen. Top perfomance=top pricing. Is there a cap on how much they charge? No. You see performance of these things sky-rocket, prices will follow suit. Once it starts becoming required to own an SSD for everyday use, you'll see the prices drop more then. But, until that day, don't expect any miracles.
 
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