News Intel 8th, 9th and 10th Gen processors absent from Microsoft's Windows 11 24H2 CPU support list

[Admin]

Intel's 8th, 9th, and 10th Gen processors are absent from the Windows 11 24H2 official support list.

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[ezst036]

Intel 8th, 9th and 10th Gen processors​

Can you get TPM 2.0 for these processors? (/motherboards)

I am simply asking so the information is present.

 

[TheSecondPower]

Can you get TPM 2.0 for these processors? (/motherboards)

I am simply asking so the information is present.

A computer I know of with an 8th or 9th gen processor was automatically updated to Windows 11. So I think the answer is yes.

As far as I know, the reason for the change from "10" to "11" was that some computers would no longer be supported. So it seems really odd to drop support for more computers before Windows 12 comes.

 

[rambo919]

Can you get TPM 2.0 for these processors? (/motherboards)

I am simply asking so the information is present.

You get that on 6th gen already.... M$ is simply not requiring it for what they say they are requiring it.... and has painted itself into a corner it at this point obviously hopes everyone just forgets about.

Again, these are not actually requirements for Win11.... they are requirements for BitLocker (and perhaps live accounts?) which M$ wants enabled on all Windows PC's.

 

[jlake3]

Can you get TPM 2.0 for these processors? (/motherboards)

I am simply asking so the information is present.

Yes. These are all processors with TPM 2.0 on the CPU.

 

[Alvar "Miles" Udell]

If they're in legacy support and will likely no longer receive BIOS updates in the event a major issue is found, it makes sense to remove them from the list, as it explicitly states the following:

OEMs may use the following CPUs for new Windows 11 devices.

It does not say "Computers already using these processors will be bricked", only that NEW Windows 11 devices FROM OEMs cannot use them, which is unlikely to affect any if the newest CPU to be removed is going on 5 years old.

Even though there are Ryzen 2000 series listed I wouldn't expect any OEM to build a new system around them either.

 

[ezst036]

You get that on 6th gen already.... M$ is simply not requiring it for what they say they are requiring it.... and has painted itself into a corner it at this point obviously hopes everyone just forgets about.

Again, these are not actually requirements for Win11.... they are requirements for BitLocker (and perhaps live accounts?) which M$ wants enabled on all Windows PC's.

Bitlocker requirementss.... that makes sense.

So basically Microsoft wants to do yet another round of "we cut you off" like they did with TPM 2.0? Is that what this is about to run into?

 

[rambo919]

Bitlocker requirementss.... that makes sense.

So basically Microsoft wants to do yet another round of "we cut you off" like they did with TPM 2.0? Is that what this is about to run into?

Its about them being devious I think.... they want to have the control of PC's that Apple does where they can dictate how you use them. This just happens to include hardware in circulation having an artificially high turnover rate.

Imagine live accounts are normalized to the point where local accounts don't even exist anymore.... the power they would wield over their userbase.... and how they are likely to abuse that.

On the other hand half the reason Apple does not go openly power-crazy is they don't have a controlling market share and their users can simply move over to Windows.

Imagine if another "medical situation" happens and some genius decides that people who don't take the "recommended remedy" need to have their PC's locked down until they can prove they have complied? Or instead of just having your FB or Reddit account "cancelled" your PC becomes bricked because some hysterical bureaucrat doe not like your opinions?

Now.... if these people had been honest for the last 10 years or the abuses of the last 5 had not happened no one would be so paranoid.... but can anyone still afford not to be?

Personally speaking I would rather take my chances with getting hacked by some Indian scamming company than to entrust my hardware to the tender fickle mercies of big tech..... and that's assuming something does not happen to internet connectivity effectively bricking every live account PC anyway. The cloud is not only a trap it's been historically unreliable.

 

[SomeoneElse23]

Its about them being devious I think.... they want to have the control of PC's that Apple does where they can dictate how you use them. This just happens to include hardware in circulation having an artificially high turnover rate.

Imagine live accounts are normalized to the point where local accounts don't even exist anymore.... the power they would wield over their userbase.... and how they are likely to abuse that.

On the other hand half the reason Apple does not go openly power-crazy is they don't have a controlling market share and their users can simply move over to Windows.

Imagine if another "medical situation" happens and some genius decides that people who don't take the "recommended remedy" need to have their PC's locked down until they can prove they have complied? Or instead of just having your FB or Reddit account "cancelled" your PC becomes bricked because some hysterical bureaucrat doe not like your opinions?

Now.... if these people had been honest for the last 10 years or the abuses of the last 5 had not happened no one would be so paranoid.... but can anyone still afford not to be?

Personally speaking I would rather take my chances with getting hacked by some Indian scamming company than to entrust my hardware to the tender fickle mercies of big tech..... and that's assuming something does not happen to internet connectivity effectively bricking every live account PC anyway. The cloud is not only a trap it's been historically unreliable.

Well said.

If nothing else, by requiring a "live account", they can use you for even more advertising purposes.

But I doubt it's only that as well.

 

[tom2tec]

Yet another reason to switch systems over to Linux. I'm glad M$ is making it so easy and obvious to do so. More than happy to leave all that classist corporate dystopia far behind.

 

[EzzyB]

Its about them being devious I think.... they want to have the control of PC's that Apple does where they can dictate how you use them. This just happens to include hardware in circulation having an artificially high turnover rate.

Imagine live accounts are normalized to the point where local accounts don't even exist anymore.... the power they would wield over their userbase.... and how they are likely to abuse that.

On the other hand half the reason Apple does not go openly power-crazy is they don't have a controlling market share and their users can simply move over to Windows.

Imagine if another "medical situation" happens and some genius decides that people who don't take the "recommended remedy" need to have their PC's locked down until they can prove they have complied? Or instead of just having your FB or Reddit account "cancelled" your PC becomes bricked because some hysterical bureaucrat doe not like your opinions?

Now.... if these people had been honest for the last 10 years or the abuses of the last 5 had not happened no one would be so paranoid.... but can anyone still afford not to be?

Personally speaking I would rather take my chances with getting hacked by some Indian scamming company than to entrust my hardware to the tender fickle mercies of big tech..... and that's assuming something does not happen to internet connectivity effectively bricking every live account PC anyway. The cloud is not only a trap it's been historically unreliable.

Apple has been doing it with their customers forever. Ever tried to fix one without some nefarious Apple injected <Mod Edit> junk popping up that tries to require you to go to an "Authorized Repair Center"? Bugs in the OS that go unfixed for a decade? Apple is and has been "power crazy" literally forever. Replace the battery in an older i-Phoney? Warning message about unauthorized battery. Replace the screen in an M-series Macbook? It BRICKS the camera because.... Apple. Yep, the camera shows up, it's powered and alive, but blocked by Apple because, you naughty boy, you didn't go to an Apple repair center to get gouged. Every bit as awful a company as any of the rest.

 

[thestryker]

I doubt this means what many folks are assuming it does. Microsoft dropped CPU support over the lifetime of Windows 10 as well (for example they dropped 6th Gen in the final patch), but that meant literally nothing for installing it. While they've made some astoundingly stupid decisions with Win 11 I'd still assume the minimum installation requirements stay the same.

 

[rambo919]

Apple has been doing it with their customers forever. Ever tried to fix one without some nefarious Apple injected <Mod Edit> junk popping up that tries to require you to go to an "Authorized Repair Center"? Bugs in the OS that go unfixed for a decade? Apple is and has been "power crazy" literally forever. Replace the battery in an older i-Phoney? Warning message about unauthorized battery. Replace the screen in an M-series Macbook? It BRICKS the camera because.... Apple. Yep, the camera shows up, it's powered and alive, but blocked by Apple because, you naughty boy, you didn't go to an Apple repair center to get gouged. Every bit as awful a company as any of the rest.

They also can simply uninstall anything they like remotely.... or trawl your storage and delete whatever they like.... thing is this is all small things that don't pop up enough to cause widespread practical discontent.... Apple has not yet become openly totalitarian in a way that they technically can because they know they wont get away with it for long.... because there is an alternative.

I honestly don't understand why people spend their money that way but apparently everything convenient that is automatically done for you is worth having everything else also potentially being done for you.

 

[rambo919]

I doubt this means what many folks are assuming it does. Microsoft dropped CPU support over the lifetime of Windows 10 as well (for example they dropped 6th Gen in the final patch), but that meant literally nothing for installing it. While they've made some astoundingly stupid decisions with Win 11 I'd still assume the minimum installation requirements stay the same.

Difference is Win10 does not have a floating minimum requirements specification with alarm bells telling you your hardware is unsupported and the OS might not update anymore. At worst your drivers stop being updated but that's been happening forever anyway and nothing ever stopped working as a result.

The only real disruption was when 32-bit support was dropped for iGPU drivers but I don't remember the details.... it happened anyway at a point where even I as an extreme bitter ender could not justify 32-bit OS installs anymore.

 

[Sippincider]

half the reason Apple does not go openly power-crazy is they don't have a controlling market share and their users can simply move over to Windows.

Intel Macs that fell off Apple's support could have great second lives as Windows machines. Until now?

Have a couple Macs that would be directly affected by this. Not feeling generous enough to Apple or MS to replace otherwise working hardware, and just might give Linux a look.

 

[ohio_buckeye]

Microsoft needs to quit this stuff. I can almost understand the tpm 2.0 requirement but users shouldn’t be forced into new hardware just because Microsoft says so.

 

[USAFRet]

Microsoft needs to quit this stuff. I can almost understand the tpm 2.0 requirement but users shouldn’t be forced into new hardware just because Microsoft says so.

Nothing in that article refers to people having an 8-9 Gen CPU and Win 11 would need to upgrade the hardware.

 

[Unolocogringo]

So a laptop I have that keeps prompting me to "UPGRADE" to 11 is not supported?????
So I would now be unsupported because I upgraded before win10 support is up?

 

[ohio_buckeye]

Nothing in that article refers to people having an 8-9 Gen CPU and Win 11 would need to upgrade the hardware.

On the other hand what about when windows 12 drops in the next couple of years?

 

[USAFRet]

On the other hand what about when windows 12 drops in the next couple of years?

Completely unknown.

 

[Pete Mitchell]

Interesting that Tom's is deleting comments calling them out for publishing a clickbait article. Microsoft's site specifically says this only applies to OEMs, meaning they can no longer sell new computers with those processors. It also specifically says it does not apply to existing computers. Nowhere does this article mention that.

 

[USAFRet]

Interesting that Tom's is deleting comments calling them out for publishing a clickbait article. Microsoft's site specifically says this only applies to OEMs, meaning they can no longer sell new computers with those processors. It also specifically says it does not apply to existing computers. Nowhere does this article mention that.

There is only one deleted comment, and it was not deleted by any of Toms Staff or Moderators.

 

[rambo919]

Intel Macs that fell off Apple's support could have great second lives as Windows machines. Until now?

Have a couple Macs that would be directly affected by this. Not feeling generous enough to Apple or MS to replace otherwise working hardware, and just might give Linux a look.

I already switched when Win10 came out.... only a freak motherboard southbridge + SSD bug kept me from completely switching until I finally fixed the issue. Pro-tip, never use Samsung SSD's for Linux if you can help it.... their firmware has Linux related bugs they never actually patch.

I was still resisting upgrading my MB because of the performance impacts... ended up having to upgrade the bios out of desperation, replacing the PSU and switching to a WD SSD and the rando partition corruption disappeared.... could be one of those fixed it could be a combo.

Sticking to win10 on a dual boot for in case something REALLY needs it and running MX as daily driver.... feel no need for win11.

BTW the newer Apple hardware has been giving Linux a hard time too recently as it is now Windows from what I can tell, they seem to be heading back to non-compatibility. You never actually know until you test.

 

[cholzman]

This is irresponsible journalism. The support article clearly says "OEMs may use the following CPUs for new Windows 11 devices", meaning that if you are a manufacturer making new Windows 11 devices for sale those are the CPU's you may use. They aren't dropping support for 8th-10th gen CPU's running Windows at all.

Some OEMs regularly "build" new-old-stock systems for certain customers with long approval cycles that have 10th gen Intel CPUs, and are no longer allowed to ship them with this latest patch. It's been a real headache trying to find a solution the customer is happy with because they're also not allowed to ship "new" systems with older versions per the MS OEM license agreement.

It has nothing to do with the computers you already own.

 

[PaulAlcorn]

This is irresponsible journalism. The support article clearly says "OEMs may use the following CPUs for new Windows 11 devices", meaning that if you are a manufacturer making new Windows 11 devices for sale those are the CPU's you may use. They aren't dropping support for 8th-10th gen CPU's running Windows at all.

Some OEMs regularly "build" new-old-stock systems for certain customers with long approval cycles that have 10th gen Intel CPUs, and are no longer allowed to ship them with this latest patch. It's been a real headache trying to find a solution the customer is happy with because they're also not allowed to ship "new" systems with older versions per the MS OEM license agreement.

It has nothing to do with the computers you already own.

The Windows 11 minimum system requirements page also points to this list of CPUs. Expand the processors section, then follow the "list of approved CPUs" link.

This then takes you to the same list of processors as cited in this article. Barring another list of minimum supported processors specifically for non-OEM systems, this would indicate that this is the official support list.