Intel 9th Gen CPUs Are Great...if You Can Find Them

[AgentLozen]

People like you help Intel increase the prices . When we say the price is not justified we are right in performance per dollar ratio. we know there are Rich people who dont care.

People buying the most uber top end processors don't sway Intel's pricing very much. The most lucrative pricing segment is the low to middle end. That's where Intel really needs to compete.

Look to car manufacturers for a good analogy. Ford offers the $400,000 Ford GT. Rich people like hapkiman can afford to buy this car but he's not causing Ford's prices to rise. The most important pricing segment is in a realistic place where normal people can afford to buy cars. Ford's best selling vehicle is the F-150. What does that start at? $30,000?

 

[Questors]

1. [* Like I said. Some will have difficulty grasping my point]

@REDGARL:
2. I could resort to calling you colorful adjectives or names as you did to me, but I will not. No need. I know logic, and what I said is sound and correct. I will simply reply with more facts.
I already have the Z390 motherboard and custom cooling that I need for a i9 9900k build - so this point you tried to make is academic. As for power consumption - It is not an issue or a concern for me either as I have a 1000w Platinum SeaSonic PSU that I am certain is up to the task. Again, moot point. I'm not saying this proc does not exceed the rated TDP spec of 95w or isn't power hungry. It's been proven by several reviewers that it is indeed very power hungry. I'm simply saying it is not a problem for me.

3. Finally - regardless of price, the Threadripper is a not a direct competitor for the i9 9900K. The i9 9900K is billed as an enthusiast class gaming processor. In Intel's words it is the "Best gaming processor in the world." Seems a little grandiose and unnecessary for Intel to have made such a claim (especially in light of PT's boggled testing methodology), but it is still apparently accurate, if even only by a small margin in certain instances. But I digress as my point is the i9 9900k is not part of Intel's HEDT line (which would be TR's direct competition along with Intel's Xeons). The Threadripper is not designed primarily as a gaming processor. Of course it can game, but if you bought a TR just to build a gaming rig, well....lets just say there are certainly better options from AMD for that. This is why AMD has a specific mode for Threadripper (gaming mode as opposed to it's creator mode) to disable cores so that the proc may function more proficiently as a gaming processor. In other words, TR simply does not perform well in games unless modified from its default state.

But enough said. It's late so let's leave it at that. We agree that we disagree.

1. I completely agree with the fact your money is yours to spend as wish, regardless how frivolously. It's yours. If you want to ride down the road and toss your cash out the window, that is completely up to you. I have a $7K custom water cooled behemoth tower PC that I completely enjoyed modding and creating. Did I need it? No. It is frivolous? Yes. Was it my money? Yes.

2. AMD = Team Red. The term rose colored glasses (original post) in this context is not a compliment. It points the idea Ryzen is lesser and in the context suggests anyone who uses a Ryzen is not as a good, in a sense. Thus you are the person who created an environment of animosity within the discussion.
Rose Colored Glasses: An optimistic perception of something; a positive opinion; seeing something in a positive way, often thinking of it as better than it actually is.
An unduly idealistic, optimistic, sentimental, or wistful perspective on or about something.

3. I believe it is your reasoning here others are questioning. I certainly did. To elaborate, the wife and I decide to buy a new vehicle. The wife believes we should buy a four door sedan. It's also what she wants personally. My choice is a pickup, but she says there isn't enough room; it's not meant as a "family car." They are not the same class or type of vehicle. Then I show her a picture of a full crew cab with a back seat more spacious than anything short of a Rolls Royce. The truck is not designed a daily kid hauler although it serves the purpose rather well. We bought the truck.

The point is, if a Threadripper can do the job, it doesn't matter what it is "designated" to complete against or it's slotted market segment. It becomes a competitor by virtue of the fact it equals or surpasses a criteria by which like products are judged or that meet a particular need or set of needs. In your case, you already have components for the 9900k. That is information you did not include in your original commentary. Anyone responding with a TR suggestion would have stepped in a trap, of sorts, whether you meant it to be or not. If a TR does do the job and you didn't have the components to suit the new gen Intel product, all other things being equal or similar, your choice wouldn't make much sense over the TR or even last gen Intel.

 

[AgentLozen]

@Questors

Gosh. What a cool post. The bolding made it easier to follow for sure.

I have to disagree with you on point 3. Your truck / sedan analogy doesn't quite fit the bill. In it, you argue that if a truck's functionality (seating space) overlaps with a sedan's, then the truck can perform the task equally well. It works in that case. An extension to your analogy that better explains this situation is that the truck and the sedan both have adequate seating (Thread Ripper and i9 9900k can both play games), but the sedan has a lower center of gravity and better gas efficiency than the truck does (less cores, low latency ring bus). The truck on the other hand can haul more weight and pull tree stumps out of the ground (more cores).

Pulling a quote from Hapkiman
"The i9 9900K is billed as an enthusiast class gaming processor."

I agree with this. Returning to the analogy, the 9900k's best comparison is a Ford GT. It tears up the race track and is a better sports car than a pick up truck is.

My summary point is that Thread Ripper and i9 9900k are CPUs with very different purposes.

Your post was pretty sweet though. Props on that.

edit: slightly clarified

 

[The Original Ralph]

sorry to hijack this thread back to it's original point, but has anyone even heard a rumor of someone receiving their 9900k?

 

[wayofthedemon444]

sorry to hijack this thread back to it's original point, but has anyone even heard a rumor of someone receiving their 9900k?

I've only seen youtubers getting it...

 

[stdragon]

You can receive one on e-bay. 23 hours left, 40 bids later, and now up to $810.

 

[mlee 2500]

sorry to hijack this thread back to it's original point, but has anyone even heard a rumor of someone receiving their 9900k?

The few posts and consumer/end-user reviews I've seen all seem to be from Canada or over-seas, which is consistent with the post I saw regarding Intel fulfilling higher margin (more expensive) markets first.

Now, can we get back to listening to people try and convince other people that their semiconductor preference is the best one, and that anyone using anything else needs to have their head examined?

 

[The Original Ralph]

as long as we know that some actually exist out in the wild.....after posting the above, i came across this thread, so at least one forum member rcvd his
http://www.tomshardware.com/answers/id-3812458/build-boot-windows-network-essential-drivers-present.html

 

[The Original Ralph]

well, Newegg must have received some 9900k CPUs as i rcvd a notification email - i order one thru that very email 1 hour after rcpt and it's sold out again

at least there's evidence of some trickling thru the system

PS - FWIW, i called into newegg customer svc, got a friendly CSR who looked up when the next shipment is due, he said 11/30 and it will be a total of 100 units. Their customer notification list has to be in the 1000s, so it looks like it's going to be a long wait for these things

 

[mlee 2500]

well, Newegg must have received some 9900k CPUs as i rcvd a notification email - i order one thru that very email 1 hour after rcpt and it's sold out again

at least there's evidence of some trickling thru the system

PS - FWIW, i called into newegg customer svc, got a friendly CSR who looked up when the next shipment is due, he said 11/30 and it will be a total of 100 units. Their customer notification list has to be in the 1000s, so it looks like it's going to be a long wait for these things

Good grief....they're getting them in lots of 100, a month out, and have orders in the thousands I'm sure.

I've seen no movement or notification from my pre-order (10:00 a.m. on the 8th) at B&H. First time I've used them. That's good news for you though Ralph, because you can be sure that whatever outfit *I* ordered from will be the LAST to ship, while I have to watch everyone else receive theirs. That's how these things work. It's like choosing a line at the grocery store, or a lane during rush hour: whichever one you're in moves the slowest.

 

[The Original Ralph]

well, Newegg must have received some 9900k CPUs as i rcvd a notification email - i order one thru that very email 1 hour after rcpt and it's sold out again

at least there's evidence of some trickling thru the system

PS - FWIW, i called into newegg customer svc, got a friendly CSR who looked up when the next shipment is due, he said 11/30 and it will be a total of 100 units. Their customer notification list has to be in the 1000s, so it looks like it's going to be a long wait for these things

Good grief....they're getting them in lots of 100, a month out, and have orders in the thousands I'm sure.

I've seen no movement or notification from my pre-order (10:00 a.m. on the 8th) at B&H. First time I've used them. That's good news for you though Ralph, because you can be sure that whatever outfit *I* ordered from will be the LAST to ship, while I have to watch everyone else receive theirs. That's how these things work. It's like choosing a line at the grocery store, or a lane during rush hour: whichever one you're in moves the slowest.

i actually tried to hedge my bets by placing a backorder with amazon (price worked out to $501.50 ) and going on newegg's notification list - but at this rate, i assume amazon got a similiar quantity and probably more waiting customers than newegg

at least newegg's policy is no backorders - go on the "notify me" list, and they'll shoot you an email - whoever responds first gets one - i've already put it on my calendar to plan to spend the day watching my email on 11/30

 

[mlee 2500]

well, Newegg must have received some 9900k CPUs as i rcvd a notification email - i order one thru that very email 1 hour after rcpt and it's sold out again

at least there's evidence of some trickling thru the system

PS - FWIW, i called into newegg customer svc, got a friendly CSR who looked up when the next shipment is due, he said 11/30 and it will be a total of 100 units. Their customer notification list has to be in the 1000s, so it looks like it's going to be a long wait for these things

Good grief....they're getting them in lots of 100, a month out, and have orders in the thousands I'm sure.

I've seen no movement or notification from my pre-order (10:00 a.m. on the 8th) at B&H. First time I've used them. That's good news for you though Ralph, because you can be sure that whatever outfit *I* ordered from will be the LAST to ship, while I have to watch everyone else receive theirs. That's how these things work. It's like choosing a line at the grocery store, or a lane during rush hour: whichever one you're in moves the slowest.

i actually tried to hedge my bets by placing a backorder with amazon (price worked out to $501.50 ) and going on newegg's notification list - but at this rate, i assume amazon got a similiar quantity and probably more waiting customers than newegg

at least newegg's policy is no backorders - go on the "notify me" list, and they'll shoot you an email - whoever responds first gets one - i've already put it on my calendar to plan to spend the day watching my email on 11/30

So, I just a few minutes ago got an auto-notify email from NewEgg saying they had the i7-9700 available. I was going to disable hyperthreading on the i9 anyway, and I really want my otherwise completed new machine done before my thanksgiving do-nothing-but-play-PC-games-for-a-week extravaganza, so i placed the order, they processed the payment and now say "shipping". When I actually have a carrier tracking number I'll be canceling my B&H i9 preorder.

I wonder if the i9 and i7 are basically the same chip with features enabled (or disabled, more accurately) based on binning and yield quality? If that's so then i9 availability might be an unknown still.

 

[The Original Ralph]

well, Newegg must have received some 9900k CPUs as i rcvd a notification email - i order one thru that very email 1 hour after rcpt and it's sold out again

at least there's evidence of some trickling thru the system

PS - FWIW, i called into newegg customer svc, got a friendly CSR who looked up when the next shipment is due, he said 11/30 and it will be a total of 100 units. Their customer notification list has to be in the 1000s, so it looks like it's going to be a long wait for these things

Good grief....they're getting them in lots of 100, a month out, and have orders in the thousands I'm sure.

I've seen no movement or notification from my pre-order (10:00 a.m. on the 8th) at B&H. First time I've used them. That's good news for you though Ralph, because you can be sure that whatever outfit *I* ordered from will be the LAST to ship, while I have to watch everyone else receive theirs. That's how these things work. It's like choosing a line at the grocery store, or a lane during rush hour: whichever one you're in moves the slowest.

i actually tried to hedge my bets by placing a backorder with amazon (price worked out to $501.50 ) and going on newegg's notification list - but at this rate, i assume amazon got a similiar quantity and probably more waiting customers than newegg

at least newegg's policy is no backorders - go on the "notify me" list, and they'll shoot you an email - whoever responds first gets one - i've already put it on my calendar to plan to spend the day watching my email on 11/30

So, I just a few minutes ago got an auto-notify email from NewEgg saying they had the i7-9700 available. I was going to disable hyperthreading on the i9 anyway, and I really want my otherwise completed new machine done before my thanksgiving do-nothing-but-play-PC-games-for-a-week extravaganza, so i placed the order, they processed the payment and now say "shipping". When I actually have a carrier tracking number I'll be canceling my B&H i9 preorder.

I wonder if the i9 and i7 are basically the same chip with features enabled (or disabled, more accurately) based on binning and yield quality? If that's so then i9 availability might be an unknown still.

18 minutes after you posted i checked newegg and they're showing not available - it may just be they never bothered updating their web, if they only received a small quantity, they probably sold out to folks that had asked to be notified

 

[The Original Ralph]

in case this helps someone here in the US (not sure about overseas)
on Amazon, if you convert your acct to a business acct (which entails nothing, no fees, no obligations etc, basically it just gave me the opportunity to submit my state "Use and resale License" to exempt me from sales taxes - but if you don't have one to submit, no issue, you can still convert to a business acct. Anyway, went to look at my backorder for the 9900k and then went to the product's page, and there was an offer of a $125 gift card if i open an American Express Prime business card - almost forgot, you need to have an Amazon Prime acct. The card carries no annual fee, and also gives you 5% credit on an amazon purchases etc. if you decide to use it.

It took 3 minutes for approval, and now i've got a $125 gift card in my account to use on the cpu, when they're finally available

they do this every so often, and last time it was a $50 gift card for a Visa card, that i applied for, got the card, never used it and canceled it after a year, but did enjoy the $50 gift card

fwiw

 

[stdragon]

in case this helps someone here in the US (not sure about overseas)
on Amazon, if you convert your acct to a business acct (which entails nothing, no fees, no obligations etc, basically it just gave me the opportunity to submit my state "Use and resale License" to exempt me from sales taxes - but if you don't have one to submit, no issue, you can still convert to a business acct. Anyway, went to look at my backorder for the 9900k and then went to the product's page, and there was an offer of a $125 gift card if i open an American Express Prime business card - almost forgot, you need to have an Amazon Prime acct. The card carries no annual fee, and also gives you 5% credit on an amazon purchases etc. if you decide to use it.

It took 3 minutes for approval, and now i've got a $125 gift card in my account to use on the cpu, when they're finally available

they do this every so often, and last time it was a $50 gift card for a Visa card, that i applied for, got the card, never used it and canceled it after a year, but did enjoy the $50 gift card

fwiw

It's the APR that keeps me away from those. Yes, the benefits can be the offset, so long as you plan on leveraging extensively. As always, YMMV.

https://www.americanexpress.com/us/credit-cards/card-application/apply/partner/print/business-card/microsite/amz/amazon-prime-business-credit-card/ep-102551?print=false

 

[The Original Ralph]

but you don't have to use the card at all and no annual fee - there is zero obligation. All of the Terms and Conditions are linked, and were actually pretty short reads, no fine print legalese etc. Last one i got, i never used, held it for a year then contacted chase visa to cancel the card - amazon never asked for any refund of the gift card

FWIW