News Intel Battlemage, Celestial GPUs Are Booked in at TSMC: Report

[SSGBryan]

yea ok sure. chose an arc gpu that is slower then the equivalent amd or nvidia gpu, for the same price ? no thanks. id rather get the nvidia or amd gpu. if given the option to choose, ill deselect the intel gpu and pick any thing else if the option exists. so this could not work at all for intel.

arc ranges in price from $330 for the 750 to $480 for the 770, for those those prices i can get at least a 6500 XT or a gtx 1650, and know those will work for everything.

they need to get their drivers sorted out, and working. plain and simple, seems, its not quite there yet.

I have seen the 8Gb A770 for under $300USD, the 16Gb is at $349USD.

The A770 outperforms it's Nvidia competition; still behind the RX 6700, but if I have a choice between 4Gb more memory, and another 15 months of aggressive driver updates compared to the equivalent AMD card, the A770 will replace my RTX 3060.

I have lived with AMD's "fine wine", I can certainly live with Intel's "fine wine". Especially when I also factor in AV1 encoding & Blender performance. (Those matter for my personal workflow.)

Not to mention I simply like the idea of having an Intel GPU in my Ryzen system.

 

[thisisaname]

The A750/770 are still punching a long way below expectations in most games going by FP32 performance. I hope future drivers will consistently unlock more of that seemingly often under-tapped potential.

How much better should they be?

 

[InvalidError]

How much better should they be?

When Intel decided the A7xx's specs, it was aiming for the RTX3060Ti-3070.

In games though, the A750 performs only ~20% better than the RX6600 which has half the VRAM bandwidth and half the FP32 performance. It is also about 15% behind the 3060Ti which has 10% lower FP32. I'd say the A750 is still operating 25% below expectations on average. Though there are exceptions like Zero Dawn where the A750 fares extraordinarily poorly and only delivers ~50% of what it should.

 

[Ogotai]

I have seen the 8Gb A770 for under $300USD, the 16Gb is at $349USD.

The A770 outperforms it's Nvidia competition; still behind the RX 6700, but if I have a choice between 4Gb more memory, and another 15 months of aggressive driver updates compared to the equivalent AMD card, the A770 will replace my RTX 3060.

the prices i mentioned arent US funds. thats $ 402 for the a770 8 gig and $469 for the 16 gig. straight conversion, the a770 16 gig version is $480 here.

if i had the choice, id rather take the card that i know will work as it should. maybe once arc's drivers get better, maybe.

 

[renz496]

Intel is doing all of this for the server GPU market, dGPU desktop just happens because they spend so much on the server GPUs that it just makes sense to also make desktop GPUs because the additional cost is small, comparatively, and it gives them some sales and some free advertisement due to articles like this one.
As long as the server GPU division makes money they will also be keeping the desktop GPUs.

Also their GPUs don't have to be a great seller to DIY, if they can secure some OEM deals to put GPUs into low/mid end prebuilds then that's all it takes for them to make it profitable.

if intel need something that excel at server/HPC market they don't really need to sell discrete GPU on the consumer market. even AMD and nvidia their compute GPU no longer share the same design as their consumer GPU like it was years ago. AMD have CDNA for their compute oriented card and RDNA for consumer. on nvidia side GV100 is their last compute card that is still a GPU. A100 is more like a compute card that have some GPU influence in it. since server/HPC grade "GPU" will use different design than consumer grade GPU there is no reason for intel to go on the uphill battle on the consumer GPU market that will only bleed the company.

on the OEM side while intel can take some design win it doesn't mean they can flood the market with their product. also OEM will look at product demand. they don't want to offer hardware that is hard to sell in large volume. and when OEM only intend to sell them in small volume it will still hard for intel to make money.

 

[renz496]

But at the same time the 4070 is basically a 3080 +$100. So the newer generations might not be a big jump at the midrange? It seems like AMD and Nvidia only make the high-end cards significantly better than the previous generation. I read one chart showing the 3050 on par with the 1060 non-rtx.

3050 is at 1070/1660Ti level of performance. price/performance is quite stagnant though since 1660Ti debut at $280 MSRP back in 2019 and 3050 and end up being $250.

 

[TerryLaze]

if intel need something that excel at server/HPC market they don't really need to sell discrete GPU on the consumer market. even AMD and nvidia their compute GPU no longer share the same design as their consumer GPU like it was years ago. AMD have CDNA for their compute oriented card and RDNA for consumer. on nvidia side GV100 is their last compute card that is still a GPU. A100 is more like a compute card that have some GPU influence in it. since server/HPC grade "GPU" will use different design than consumer grade GPU there is no reason for intel to go on the uphill battle on the consumer GPU market that will only bleed the company.

I know, that's why they use TSMC for the gaming cards and intel for their server cards.
But all the infrastructure was still build for the server side and the desktop/gaming side is just to make more money, or to loose less money however you want to look at it.

on the OEM side while intel can take some design win it doesn't mean they can flood the market with their product. also OEM will look at product demand. they don't want to offer hardware that is hard to sell in large volume. and when OEM only intend to sell them in small volume it will still hard for intel to make money.

They don't need to flood the market, they just need to sell enough to make it worth it.

 

[certainlystormy]

All Intel needs to do is deliver a working midrange GPU on launch day and they'll sell a ton of them.

it sucks that the a770 drivers were so bad at launch, I personally have an a770 right now and the current drivers work amazing and I'm more than happy with what it is for $350. We can only pray for battlemage..