News Intel Comments On Alder Lake's Warping and Bending Issues, Mods Void Warranty

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Why are people focusing on changing the chip? What needs to be changed is the mounting design on the socket. In the mix to confuse people rather then supply a solution to an obvious problem they decided to bury it. No its not a problem they say! Well I just installed the thermalright bracket and undervolted slightly on my 12900ks, its running super quiet now and wont pass 80c under load. All the 100c temp spikes stopped. TBH Intel dropped the ball and should admit to it.
 
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Tony Boy said:
Why are people focusing on changing the chip? What needs to be changed is the mounting design on the socket. In the mix to confuse people rather then supply a solution to an obvious problem they decided to bury it. No its not a problem they say! Well I just installed the thermalright bracket and undervolted slightly on my 12900ks, its running super quiet now and wont pass 80c under load. All the 100c temp spikes stopped. TBH Intel dropped the ball and should admit to it.
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Undervolting already did that on my 12700k. How are temps with only the bracket?
 
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This should come included with all 12th gens.
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They should, but they won't because it is not something that is easy to install if you are not savvy, as compared to the current locking mechanism. It may look easy for example, but people may over or under tighten the mount, which may cause damage or issues during usage.
 
watzupken said:
They should, but they won't because it is not something that is easy to install if you are not savvy, as compared to the current locking mechanism. It may look easy for example, but people may over or under tighten the mount, which may cause damage or issues during usage.
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It's also something that only benefits hard core overclocks and intel does not warranty that in the first place, mobo makers that use crazy settings they are the ones that should include one in every mobo they send out.
 
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TerryLaze said:
It's also something that only benefits hard core overclocks and intel does not warranty that in the first place, mobo makers that use crazy settings they are the ones that should include one in every mobo they send out.
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That's factually wrong though.

Just because the "mainstream" doesn't care about ~10C differences under 90°C, it is still an improvement Intel could own and fix. This is similar to the lame TIM they started using with Ivy Bridge after moving away from solder until they actually needed it again and started using it with, was was it... Covfefe Lake? Laptop users weren't very happy with it, since a few extra degrees did translate to hotter laptops with worse boost profiles. As per always, the few that complained where utterly ignored because "it's not an issue". Yeah, they did reverse it because "it was not an issue". I'm sure they'll fix this problem soon enough when they need to and, I'm sure with Raptor Lake, they'll have to seriously consider it.

Anyway, point is: there's a problem and Intel is taking your stance because of convenience and not technicality. Saving pennies for the sake of margins.

Regards...
 
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That's factually wrong though.
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No it's not, intel tells you the tech specs of the CPU before you buy it.
If you want something better than what they offer you are not forced to buy from them.
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I'm sure they'll fix this problem soon enough when they need to and, I'm sure with Raptor Lake, they'll have to seriously consider it.
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No they won't, raptor has a lower base clock for a reason.
So I guess ok yes they already "fixed" it.
 
The warping and bending is way overplayed. I have both a 12900k and a 12600k. I have only so far added the thermalright mod to the 12600k (in a custom loop) and it resulted in zero benefit on temperatures (Pre and post max CPU was 73°C) and a ≈1% improvement in full core workload(Maybe it was able to turbo more, maybe my system was more idle....),

On the 12900k I am sure I would get more usable turbo until it self throttles (Have that on the Noctua 2nd biggest tower air cooler and it can not tame that chip). The biggest issue with this mod comes down to the installer/installation. If you don't install it right you will experience memory timing issues (Couldn't enable XMP, or wouldn't detect Memory channel A if I don't have it fully seated).

I do agree and it would be ideal if Intel updates the latching design to apply pressure on 4 sides rather than creating a bow with only 2 sides of force that is currently used. As most coolers expect the bow the benefit may be non-existant.
 
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I do agree and it would be ideal if Intel updates the latching design to apply pressure on 4 sides rather than creating a bow with only 2 sides of force that is currently used. As most coolers expect the bow the benefit may be non-existant.
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All they had to do was adopt the double arm from their X-series platforms, but nope... maybe it was too expensive, even though the cost would've been passed to customers anyway...

If Raptor Lake boards are also single arm, well that's on them.
 
Phaaze88 said:
All they had to do was adopt the double arm from their X-series platforms, but nope... maybe it was too expensive, even though the cost would've been passed to customers anyway...

If Raptor Lake boards are also single arm, well that's on them.
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they are totally the same, have you seen the leaked Z790 boards, no way do they change them out. already multiple 3rd party solutions if it bugs people. Chips are perfectly functional without a mod.
 
cyrusfox said:
they are totally the same, have you seen the leaked Z790 boards, no way do they change them out. already multiple 3rd party solutions if it bugs people. Chips are perfectly functional without a mod.
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No, I haven't seen them. If that's the case, that's on Intel.

Chips functional without a mod? Sure. The problem is the majority of PC users don't touch things like bios, XTU, Afterburner, etc., and expect things to just work.
The i9, IMO, is a tinkerer's cpu, and not a workstation/productivity cpu, even though it's well suited for that.
The out of box behavior makes it look terrible for those applications without socket and bios modifications. If the user can't put in the time to experiment with that cpu, then they would've been better served with an i7.
 
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No, I haven't seen them. If that's the case, that's on Intel.

Chips functional without a mod? Sure. The problem is the majority of PC users don't touch things like bios, XTU, Afterburner, etc., and expect things to just work.
The i9, IMO, is a tinkerer's cpu, and not a workstation/productivity cpu, even though it's well suited for that.
The out of box behavior makes it look terrible for those applications without socket and bios modifications. If the user can't put in the time to experiment with that cpu, then they would've been better served with an i7.
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A person like you describe will not even notice the temps, they will not even know how to see the temps, they won't look at benchmarks either, for them the 12900k will work perfectly fine out of the box without touching anything.
 
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A person like you describe will not even notice the temps, they will not even know how to see the temps, they won't look at benchmarks either, for them the 12900k will work perfectly fine out of the box without touching anything.
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They will notice, due to crappy auto fan curves. "Why are are my PC's fans spinning up so hard?"
 
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