INTEL G0 stepping?!

[dragonsprayer]

stepping causes systems to lock up in sleep and and other lower power states - gamers who can't build a system do not care about running orthos a 4.5ghz or about saving a fiddy cent a month in power

what they care about is really fast gaming system that lasts for years and that is hassle free

GO is the same old crap!

 

[Spikke]

Steppings are basically revisions of the cpu. It's a letter followed by a number. It is not GO, it is G0. It is not the same old crap. The G0 stepping lowered the TDP by 10 watts on the Q6600. What happens when the TDP is lowered? Your cpu runs cooler. What happens when your cpu run cooler? You can potentially oc higher. It's a pretty simple concept that you seem to be missing.

 

[Major_Trouble]

So what have Intel actually done to the Q6600 to lower the TDP by 10w? Is it better efficientcy that lets them run it at a reduced voltage and therefore reduced heat.

If it's changes to the way that SpeedStep is implemented to reduce the TDP (as I assume dragonsprayer believes) when you OC SpeedStep is usually disabled so the whole B3 / G0 decision is negated.

 

[nixem]

Dragon, I tried to read what you said but it doesnt make any sense to me...

SpeedStep is not the same as Stepping

I dunno, maybe I am just out of it today...

 

[dragonsprayer]

on top Spikke says: "I didn't even think they would be shipping for another week or 2 with the G0 stepping, gratz to you on that, very cool. "

be highly sarcastic i mixed this with speedstep

G 0 is a chip series - turn off the stepping - dumb i guess

then some how it turned to overclocking - i was probably drinking beer when i wrote it?

 

[nixem]

whew... lol i thought i had lost it

 

[dragonsprayer]

nah - i just rip through the post being sarcastic and get off the subject

 

[cb62fcni]

He has been building desktop "overclocked" systems for years, and selling them with a "locked" bios. :lol:

Oh wow. Sign me up.

 

[Major_Trouble]

So you were spraying something and it wasn't dragons!!

 

[dragonsprayer]

G 0 chips diffinatly are better q6600 are dogs - i had some issues with overclocking them.

stick with qx6700 - the g 0 is most likely the implementation of the extreme chips down to cheap chips

its another nail in amd's coffin except intel shot the nail through the dirt into the buried coffin - RIP AMD - buy amd chips support amd !!!!!

I not sure what to do with the amd chips - i can't sell them - i think i will collect them like baseball cards?

 

[dragonsprayer]

i stopped spraying the evil weed - i just guzzle the nasty liquid bread

 

[nixem]

lol

 

[Major_Trouble]

Well can anybody point me at a links that expains what Intel have done to change it to the G0 out of interest?

 

[dragonsprayer]

i beleive that information is not available to the public and those that have it do not make it available - i am sure!

Quad's have a secret bios - that's what i call it - diffinatly not like a P4 - i swear its like AI the chip learns and slow the speed and lowers voltage.

you can pop a q6600 in a mobo and get it to run 3.2ghz then it won't boot over 2.7ghz

you get the voltage on qx6700 after 1.4v the higher you set it it goes to 1.34 - set it 1.39 you get 1.39 set it to 1.45 you get 1.34

 

[Major_Trouble]

OK then what voltage does the G0 default to? They could save 10w by lowering that and the thing still wouldn't OC past a B3.

 

[pausert20]

OK then what voltage does the G0 default to? They could save 10w by lowering that and the thing still wouldn't OC past a B3.

Here is the B3 information from the intel site:

Package Type:
Manufacturing Technology:
Core Stepping:
CPUID String:
Thermal Design Power:
Thermal Specification:
Core Voltage:
LGA775
65 nm
B3
06F7h
105W
62.2°C
1.100V-1.372V

Here is the G0 processor information:
Package Type:
Manufacturing Technology:
Core Stepping:
CPUID String:
Thermal Design Power:
Thermal Specification:
Core Voltage:
LGA775
65 nm
G0
06FBh
95W
71°C
1.100V-1.372V

Notice the operating voltage is the same. So what that tells me is they change out some hot sections of the chip with better designed transistors reducing the power that the chip draws along with lowering the whole G0 operating voltage in the given range of 1.100 to 1.37V.

 

[Major_Trouble]

I did find that the B3 & G0 both use the same voltage ranges of 1.1v - 1.372v so Intel must have done some other tweaks to get 10w less TDP.

 

[Evilonigiri]

I didn't start this thread for a stepping war 🙁
G0 steppings are better, thats all.

EDIT: Off the top of my head, the voltage at default was 1.26500 or something. Let me check...

 

[Major_Trouble]

No war from me just a discussion on the difference between B3 & B0. Just like to know that's all.

 

[dragonsprayer]

they could be minor manufacturing or doping changes

simply beaming the wafer differently - i.e. change spin or doping the raw ingots

it could be micro code - it could be better stepping

good question! i would guess since you have a lower temp, lower power usage its a material change

 

[Evilonigiri]

No war from me just a discussion on the difference between B3 & B0. Just like to know that's all.

Uh thats B3 and G0 right? lol

 

[Major_Trouble]

Uh thats B3 and G0 right? lol

Dammit the smell round here threw me off 😀
I have been up now for 24hrs so you will have to excuse me.

You got booted into XP yet?

 

[Gh0stDrag0n]

they could be minor manufacturing or doping changes

simply beaming the wafer differently - i.e. change spin or doping the raw ingots

it could be micro code - it could be better stepping

good question! i would guess since you have a lower temp, lower power usage its a material change

A minor change would be B4, the letter stays the same the number changes.
A major change G0, gets a new letter along with a version number. 😉

 

[Zorg]

Go stepping - you really think go stepping is going make that big of difference long term? Every other intel throttle control just causes pc's to lock up after sleep or lower power mode. Time will tell - go "go"!

stepping causes systems to lock up in sleep and and other lower power states - gamers who can't build a system do not care about running orthos a 4.5ghz or about saving a fiddy cent a month in power

what they care about is really fast gaming system that lasts for years and that is hassle free

GO is the same old crap!

G 0 chips diffinatly are better q6600 are dogs - i had some issues with overclocking them.

stick with qx6700 - the g 0 is most likely the implementation of the extreme chips down to cheap chips

i beleive that information is not available to the public and those that have it do not make it available - i am sure!

Quad's have a secret bios - that's what i call it - diffinatly not like a P4 - i swear its like AI the chip learns and slow the speed and lowers voltage.

you can pop a q6600 in a mobo and get it to run 3.2ghz then it won't boot over 2.7ghz

you get the voltage on qx6700 after 1.4v the higher you set it it goes to 1.34 - set it 1.39 you get 1.39 set it to 1.45 you get 1.34

dragonsprayer, please stop posting on this subject, it hurts to read them. You can't dig yourself out of this hole by posting more jibberish. By the way, where the hell have you been? This has been all over THG for the last month or two.

@ major_trouble, here is the link to the Intel PDF.

Product Change Notification 107463 – 00
http://intel.pcnalert.com/content/eolpcn/PCN107463-00.pdf

 

[Major_Trouble]

So using my amazing powers of deduction I conclude it's a major change but not to the voltages.

However the temperatures have dropped.

Aha....Intel are supplying the new Q6600 with non-concave IHS or they are pre-lapping them.