Intel Grinds all progress to a halt - C1E

[monsterrocks]

This is very stupid of Intel because they underestimate AMD. They may feel like they are ahead....the black edition Phenoms CPU's are here now...Intel will be hit hard. The black edition will give Intel some real headaches because the only unlocked CPU Intel offer is the expensive Extreme edition. Black Edition is just the start because the B3 stepping is coming...when they hit the market...Intel are finished. AMD will kick evil Intel some more while their down because of the Anti-trust court case.

I predict huge loses for Intel in 2008

Who needs blockbuster when we have Thunderman??? :lol:

 

[OlSkoolChopper]

LOL. I like your friend reality. Its funny considering that Ford has fuel cell and hydrogen cars being tested around the world. If we could have had them 20 years ago the Japanese companies would have released them to try to hit the US based cars hard.

I remember having a disagrement with a guy over some beers about the GM electric cars that the compnay all took back and scrapped. He said that it was the oil companies in cahoots with GM to prevent people from havng electric cars. I told him that if that was the case why was GM going broke and would do anythng now to market anything at all that woudl sell?

Doomsday has begun. All advanced in microprocessor industry will cease without competition.

Agreed. Especialy if AMD keeps coming out with such PHENOMenal procesors as the utterly thriling 1.8 low power quad 9100E. I think I need a drink. Or twelve.

 

[pastit]

Let's face it.
You might not need the fastest CPU today, but in the next 18 months M$ is due to replace Vista. The new O/S (Code name Vulture) will need a minimum of 8 gig of RAM, 40 GIG of hard drive space, and the fastest CPU available just to run.
JB

 

[Chuck_PR]

Let's face it.
You might not need the fastest CPU today, but in the next 18 months M$ is due to replace Vista. The new O/S (Code name Vulture) will need a minimum of 8 gig of RAM, 40 GIG of hard drive space, and the fastest CPU available just to run.
JB

All 100% true.

Plus the fact that maybe 98% of us who can will continue to ignore it as vigorously as we have ignored Vista. 😴


I'm hoping I won't have ANY apps that require Vista on my home PC's for any reason in the forseeable future. (Anybody here really running anything that REQUIRES Vista yet? --- Share your pain with us.)

Maybe by the time the next Microsoft OS bloatware comes out Vista version 17.8 will be stable enough to upgrade to if necessary.

Some IT people may be forced to deal with it because of their jobs, for those of you among us - I truly mourn for you...

but if anyone feels a compulsion to upgrade to new OS'es when they don't have to should check in to the nearest well-run rehab center.

OS's run your stuff.
If your stuff runs leave it alone!!!

Or go buy a new processor, memory, GPU etc, for that new OS just so you can end up running stuff at the same speed you were before you loaded Vista!

 

[pip_seeker]

With this all. Why the hell does it make a difference capping at 3.2ghz
the hardware technology has benn progressing very quickly lately and sofware hasn't kept up. I mean is there really a program that would use all the cores a once with %100 usage (excluding bencmarks). I think intel is capping for that excacpt reason.

It's not about running 'a' program, but several at once. So the faster and more cores you have the more programs you can run simultaneously. There is always a need for more speed regardless if you don't necessarily need any.

It's only about a single program when you get into encoding, or rendering large animation scenes. More often than not it's about multitasking on a high level.

This may not effect you now and may never effect you, but that doesn't mean there isn't a need for it.

I can easily load my dual core to full load running about 8 programs. So it requires different mentality as the computer has many more uses than games, surfing the net etc. If I had the resource overhead I would probably use more.

 

[Chuck_PR]

It's not about running 'a' program, but several at once. So the faster and more cores you have the more programs you can run simultaneously. There is always a need for more speed regardless if you don't necessarily need any.

It's only about a single program when you get into encoding, or rendering large animation scenes. More often than not it's about multitasking on a high level.

This may not effect you now and may never effect you, but that doesn't mean there isn't a need for it.

I can easily load my dual core to full load running about 8 programs. So it requires different mentality as the computer has many more uses than games, surfing the net etc. If I had the resource overhead I would probably use more.

There will always be a few of us like yourself who are capable of taxing even the most powerfull systems.

I don't think anyone is against constantly increasing power.

I, among others, am not against more power,

It's just that I'm constantly surprised that so many people seem to rate that power so heavily in terms of Gigahertz speed, while often virtually ignoring the architecture.


Don't even get me started on this obsession with over-clocking.

 

[306maxi]

This is very stupid of Intel because they underestimate AMD. They may feel like they are ahead....the black edition Phenoms CPU's are here now...Intel will be hit hard. The black edition will give Intel some real headaches because the only unlocked CPU Intel offer is the expensive Extreme edition. Black Edition is just the start because the B3 stepping is coming...when they hit the market...Intel are finished. AMD will kick evil Intel some more while their down because of the Anti-trust court case.

I predict huge loses for Intel in 2008

Are you the Iraqi Information Minister by any chance? THanks for making me laugh comical Ali

 

[random1283]

[It's not about running 'a' program, but several at once. So the faster and more cores you have the more programs you can run simultaneously. There is always a need for more speed regardless if you don't necessarily need any.

It's only about a single program when you get into encoding, or rendering large animation scenes. More often than not it's about multitasking on a high level.

This may not effect you now and may never effect you, but that doesn't mean there isn't a need for it.

I can easily load my dual core to full load running about 8 programs. So it requires different mentality as the computer has many more uses than games, surfing the net etc. If I had the resource overhead I would probably use more. ]
You must see that running 8 high stress programs at once is not what the average user does. You do not make a processor for the couple hundred people who do that no you build a procsser for the thousands of people who do maybe 4 high stress tasks at once.
And if your doing that to your C2D I sujjest you get a XEON processor there built for that kind of stuff.

 

[TechnologyCoordinator]

Now, however, tech stocks are suffering the brunt of the stock market's recent beating. Intel Corp., for example, is down 15% this year, Google Inc. is down 6% and Apple Inc. has fallen about 10%.

True. Intel is down 13.4%.

You forgot one company, which surprises me! AMD! AMD is down 25.3% this year.

 

[Reynod]

Check_PR said "It's just that I'm constantly surprised that so many people seem to rate that power so heavily in terms of Gigahertz speed, while often virtually ignoring the architecture."

We are not ignorant of IPC throughput and the importance of a quality mobo and associated peripherals ( RAM, GPU, HDD) to get the most out of a given system.

Overclocking is part of the process to get the most out of a system - and it's always nice to show a mate who has invested in 5 times the cost of your system that your OC'd PC kicks his out of the ball park.

A $65 aftermarket cooling product plus a cheap cpu can prove to be faster than a $1000 off the shelf product.

Look at the sig of the guy above running a Q6600 @ 3.89 for instance !!

Enthusiasts do just that ...

 

[cosmicc]

wow... this is turning out to be quite the flame war...

 

[sailer]

You forgot one company, which surprises me! AMD! AMD is down 25.3% this year.

And the year is only 10 days old!

Oh well, maybe AMD will go up today; or maybe not.

 

[nachowarrior]

rant on/
Love how you AMD fanhags like to blame all of your famed companies failure on intel. Bet half of you blame living in your mom's basement at 30 on your mom too......
/

I would LOVE to live in my moms basement!!! you kidding me? all the great home cooked meals i grew up with and love, a nice pool to swim in, a huge back yard for my dog, my own seprate entrance to the house, and 2 floors away so i won't bother her when she's sleeping (because we know computer geeks like me get laid all the time), not to mention FREE RENT! omg!!! living in my mom's basement would ROCK! instead my dumb ass movied 700 miles away to try and get work, and now i'm still unemployed and trying to figure out how to pay my bills... so from now on, only smart people that are frugal live in their moms basement. 😛

 

[nachowarrior]

and ps... yeah they learned how to use hydrogen for energy quite a ways back. http://www.rise.org.au/info/Tech/fuelcells/index.html
that's a little further than i once thought... but you get my point. the reasons it wasn't developed earlier are political and only political.

 

[Chuck_PR]

Check_PR said "It's just that I'm constantly surprised that so many people seem to rate that power so heavily in terms of Gigahertz speed, while often virtually ignoring the architecture."

We are not ignorant of IPC throughput and the importance of a quality mobo and associated peripherals ( RAM, GPU, HDD) to get the most out of a given system.

Overclocking is part of the process to get the most out of a system - and it's always nice to show a mate who has invested in 5 times the cost of your system that your OC'd PC kicks his out of the ball park.

A $65 aftermarket cooling product plus a cheap cpu can prove to be faster than a $1000 off the shelf product.

Look at the sig of the guy above running a Q6600 @ 3.89 for instance !!

Enthusiasts do just that ...

I can see perhaps overclocking a 2.4 Q6600 to 3.0 given the negligable voltage increase. But things like overclocking a 2.4 processor to 3.89 seem unreasonable to me, at least for the reason you mentioned.

There is a reason that certain parts are not rated to run at certain speeds.

If I were an IT manager for a 120 processor 3D rendering farm and every minute of processing power was worth megabucks ---

AND I had an relatively unlimited budget to replace burned out processors...

Yep, then maybe that would make sense. ( I probably still wouldn't push the overclocking to 3.89 even in that case, however. Downtime is lost processor power too...)

But risking burning out a processor just so you could brag about a less powerfull system out-performing (at least until it burns out) a normally more powerful one...

maybe I'm too Catholic or too oldschool, but that just seems wasteful to me.

Plus the fact that it really doesn't prove superiority, as I'm sure overclocking your friends system would leave yours in the dust too.

It's like pumping steriods into your body.

It might make you a bodybuilding champ.
It might also make your gonads fall off.

I'm for keeping my 'nads in working order.

 

[homerdog]

My 'nads are still in working order and they've been overclocked to 2.7GHz for almost 2 years.

 

[MarkG]

the reasons it wasn't developed earlier are political and only political.

The reason why we don't drive hydrogen cars is very simple. Oil squirts up out of the ground when you dig a hole in the middle east, then it goes to refineries and gas stations so anyone can fill their car up. Hydrogen has to be produced using another form of energy (which typically means a fossil fuelled power station or directly from fossil fuels), then you can fill your car up with it in only a handful of places.

Anyone who doesn't understand why people don't drive hydrogen cars has no clue about energy production or the costs of switching fuels; it's not the EVIL car companies or the EVIL oil companies preventing the use of hydrogen cars, it's common sense economics.

 

[nachowarrior]

arg... oil companies own patents to hydrogen based designs... i think you'll find that on google patent if you really want to look it up. and besides, that's technically political, and i'm not going to go in depth at why it is because this is completely off subject. It was a flipping analogy for craps sake. I'm not going to sit here and educate everyone on things that have happened and why they happen for every analogy I make, because I tend to make a lot of them, and some can see the humor in them. and some cannot. it's IRONY in MORE THAN ONE WAY.... uhg, i give up.

ps: before i give up, obama isn't black, he's muslim. look it up. 😛

 

[rallyimprezive]

Thunderman = Hector Ruiz

Perhaps?

 

[soloman02]

I predict huge loses for Intel in 2008

Oh really?

Well, I plan on supporting the blue team by buying the new E8200/E8400 when I have some more cash, which will definitely be in 2008.

 

[Shadow703793]

The HD38 series is a great value right now... I'm considering a 3850 for another PC. (P4 Rebuild)

Agreed. But its just Ironic. May be AMD should focus on graphics card first instead of the Phenoms.

 

[rallyimprezive]

Agreed. But its just Ironic. May be AMD should focus on graphics card first instead of the Phenoms.

and Intel chipsets support Crossfire but not SLI.

 

[Shadow703793]

Software engineers do need to catch up to the multi-core technology and make use of it, but they should be doing that anyway.

Agreed. Except for some specialized software (ie. PhotoShop, SolidWorks,etc) many of the software barely utilized multi core CPUs. Even if they could write multi core code they would write such an inefficient code that we would need more CPU speed.

 

[ro3dog]

they are

 

[Shadow703793]

and Intel chipsets support Crossfire but not SLI.

Yup, the irony continues.....