Intel I7 5820K Overclocking -Best program for overclocking?

[Mads Haugaard]

So, for about a year ago i posted a thread about overclocking my CPU. (Intel I7 5820K Overclocking help!)
So this is kinda a "Part2" thread.

And i did try a few things but never managed to get anything out of my CPU. But now i'm more into trying again. But i found BIOS Very hard with voltage's and stuff like that wich makes me a little nervous.

(In the last thread, alot of nice people said that i could easily overclock with my PSU, temps and stuff like that. Wich was really nice to know).

-Does anyone have a program that will handle it for me this time?
I have runned a benchmark with "MSI Intel Extreme Tuning Utility, and got a score on 1375 marks (Not sure if that's good nor bad for my system)

Again, i do not really have any experience with overclocking. I just tried once but it failed and rebooted and i haven't really looked into much more.

If anyone would help me trough the proccess i would appreciate it alot. Thank you again,
I'm thinking 3,7ghz -3,9ghz (No further than 3.9)

Specs:
Intel I7 5820K
EVGA Geforce GTX 980 (Overclocked by factory)
MSI X99 SLI+
16GB DDR4 ~2400mhz
HDD+SSD
Corsair RM 650W 80+ Gold

 

[13thmonkey]

If you let a program 'handle it for you' you'll end up with an overvolted overclock, generally substantially suboptimal.

Read the stickies, there are a dozen things to watch out for, I just started typing what to do, and without assuming some level of prior knowledge from yourself it is too complex to explain easily and quite risky in that I could fail to mention 'and watch for...' and you'll go merrily on and burn something out. So read the stickies and then come back, it's actually very simple, and I can't see that 20% is not a perfectly reason expectation.

 

[DonkeyOatie]

It is fairly easy if you read and educate yourself and there are plenty of members here that would be happy to guide you.

Software is a 'magic', one size fits all solution in a world where every CPU is an individual and requires different settings to get the best out of it.

If you want simple, you can do a crude (but effective) overclock by doing about three things.

1. Go into BIOS and change the settings so you can overclock. If you tell us your BIOS, we can tell you how.
2. Set the Vcore of your CPU manually to 1.25V
3. Increase the multiplier to 42 and test for stability. If stable try 43, if not try 41. Find a stable multipler and you should be done.

There are other efficiency tunings, but that should work.

 

[13thmonkey]

^^ and watch your temps!
Personally I'd have left the voltage a bit lower than that, but that'll be a really simple no fuss OC, and anything beyond that requires a lot more effort and knowledge. But that's above your expectations anyway.

 

[James_173]

ive got am asus x99. thinking of o/c mine as well

 

[DonkeyOatie]

^^ and watch your temps!
Personally I'd have left the voltage a bit lower than that, but that'll be a really simple no fuss OC, and anything beyond that requires a lot more effort and knowledge. But that's above your expectations anyway.

Like the 'magic' software, I need to be conservative in the situation where their chip is a bit below average.

Their kit should do that fine and I've suggested a higher number than they wanted. they could always start with less. Tuning to that temperature and voltage will be good exercise and the vast majority of 5820Ks will do that fine.

Or follow these three steps:

1. Unlock overclocking
2. Set multiplier to 40
3 Set voltage to 1.225V and test for stability. If stable, reduce voltage by 0.005, rinse and repeat. If unstable increase voltage by 0.005, rinse and repeat. Find the minimum voltage that will run the multiplier you want.

This too will work fine on their system. I prefer to set the voltage, because that established the temperatures, and then tune the multiplier

 

[Mads Haugaard]

If you let a program 'handle it for you' you'll end up with an overvolted overclock, generally substantially suboptimal.

Read the stickies, there are a dozen things to watch out for, I just started typing what to do, and without assuming some level of prior knowledge from yourself it is too complex to explain easily and quite risky in that I could fail to mention 'and watch for...' and you'll go merrily on and burn something out. So read the stickies and then come back, it's actually very simple, and I can't see that 20% is not a perfectly reason expectation.

Yea, i know the program could end up messing it all up, i'm totally aware of that. But i'd rather let a program do something than myself.
But i will try learn a bit more about it. Again, thanks for the suggestions.

 

[Mads Haugaard]

It is fairly easy if you read and educate yourself and there are plenty of members here that would be happy to guide you.

Software is a 'magic', one size fits all solution in a world where every CPU is an individual and requires different settings to get the best out of it.

If you want simple, you can do a crude (but effective) overclock by doing about three things.

1. Go into BIOS and change the settings so you can overclock. If you tell us your BIOS, we can tell you how.
2. Set the Vcore of your CPU manually to 1.25V
3. Increase the multiplier to 42 and test for stability. If stable try 43, if not try 41. Find a stable multipler and you should be done.

There are other efficiency tunings, but that should work.

Alright, i'm gonna read abit more about it, but thanks for the suggestion, i'll have this as backup. I will find my BIOS in a bit.

 

[Mads Haugaard]

^^ and watch your temps!
Personally I'd have left the voltage a bit lower than that, but that'll be a really simple no fuss OC, and anything beyond that requires a lot more effort and knowledge. But that's above your expectations anyway.

Well, Temps are fine. And the max temp i've ever seen on my CPU is roughly 60*c. WIch is very low in my opinion. (And that was playing Farcry 4 maxed out and my room temp was 32*c)
As for voltage to post above, i will try find out how to messure the voltage. Thanks.

 

[Mads Haugaard]

ive got am asus x99. thinking of o/c mine as well

If you do decide to do it, let me know how it went 😀

 

[Ecky]

It is fairly easy if you read and educate yourself and there are plenty of members here that would be happy to guide you.

Software is a 'magic', one size fits all solution in a world where every CPU is an individual and requires different settings to get the best out of it.

If you want simple, you can do a crude (but effective) overclock by doing about three things.

1. Go into BIOS and change the settings so you can overclock. If you tell us your BIOS, we can tell you how.
2. Set the Vcore of your CPU manually to 1.25V
3. Increase the multiplier to 42 and test for stability. If stable try 43, if not try 41. Find a stable multipler and you should be done.

There are other efficiency tunings, but that should work.

I'm not a big fan of fixed-voltage overclocks. I know C-states can partially mitigate this, but with using a fixed voltage, your CPU doesn't drop in voltage when idle, which is where it will spend the vast majority of its time.

My preferred version would be:

1) Increase multiplier by 1x, then run a stress testing program for 10-30 minutes in Windows. If it passes, repeat.
2) When it fails, you can either :
a) back off the multiplier by 1x and call it done (make sure to stress test for a while after just to make sure), or
b) increase "additional turbo voltage" or "voltage offset". I would increase voltage offset by ~0.0025v (or 25mv) and see how much further you can get. Continue scaling up voltage and multiplier until you reach a voltage where you're no longer comfortable going higher, or you can't control temperatures with the cooling you have. The maximum voltage I'd recommend under load would be ~1.25-1.30v.

You can probably leave other settings alone and still get a decent overclock.

EDIT: I largely agree about overclocking software, though. Intel's extreme tuning utility can be useful, but is inferior to a good bios overclock.

 

[Mads Haugaard]

It is fairly easy if you read and educate yourself and there are plenty of members here that would be happy to guide you.

Software is a 'magic', one size fits all solution in a world where every CPU is an individual and requires different settings to get the best out of it.

If you want simple, you can do a crude (but effective) overclock by doing about three things.

1. Go into BIOS and change the settings so you can overclock. If you tell us your BIOS, we can tell you how.
2. Set the Vcore of your CPU manually to 1.25V
3. Increase the multiplier to 42 and test for stability. If stable try 43, if not try 41. Find a stable multipler and you should be done.

There are other efficiency tunings, but that should work.

I'm not a big fan of fixed-voltage overclocks. I know C-states can partially mitigate this, but with using a fixed voltage, your CPU doesn't drop in voltage when idle, which is where it will spend the vast majority of its time.

My preferred version would be:

1) Increase multiplier by 1x, then run a stress testing program for 10-30 minutes in Windows. If it passes, repeat.
2) When it fails, you can either :
a) back off the multiplier by 1x and call it done (make sure to stress test for a while after just to make sure), or
b) increase "additional turbo voltage" or "voltage offset". I would increase voltage offset by ~0.0025v (or 25mv) and see how much further you can get. Continue scaling up voltage and multiplier until you reach a voltage where you're no longer comfortable going higher, or you can't control temperatures with the cooling you have. The maximum voltage I'd recommend under load would be ~1.25-1.30v.

You can probably leave other settings alone and still get a decent overclock.

EDIT: I largely agree about overclocking software, though. Intel's extreme tuning utility can be useful, but is inferior to a good bios overclock.

Alright, i won't start overclocking just yet. I wanna be damn sure i know what i'm doing. I can't afford a new CPU or Motherboard right now.

 

[Mads Haugaard]

Alright so, this is the Information i got on my BIOS:
"Click BIOS 4" by(?) MSI. (MSI X99S Sli Plus)
V.1.3
Hope that's the information you were looking for.

 

[DonkeyOatie]

It is fairly easy if you read and educate yourself and there are plenty of members here that would be happy to guide you.

Software is a 'magic', one size fits all solution in a world where every CPU is an individual and requires different settings to get the best out of it.

If you want simple, you can do a crude (but effective) overclock by doing about three things.

1. Go into BIOS and change the settings so you can overclock. If you tell us your BIOS, we can tell you how.
2. Set the Vcore of your CPU manually to 1.25V
3. Increase the multiplier to 42 and test for stability. If stable try 43, if not try 41. Find a stable multipler and you should be done.

There are other efficiency tunings, but that should work.

I'm not a big fan of fixed-voltage overclocks. I know C-states can partially mitigate this, but with using a fixed voltage, your CPU doesn't drop in voltage when idle, which is where it will spend the vast majority of its time.

My preferred version would be:

1) Increase multiplier by 1x, then run a stress testing program for 10-30 minutes in Windows. If it passes, repeat.
2) When it fails, you can either :
a) back off the multiplier by 1x and call it done (make sure to stress test for a while after just to make sure), or
b) increase "additional turbo voltage" or "voltage offset". I would increase voltage offset by ~0.0025v (or 25mv) and see how much further you can get. Continue scaling up voltage and multiplier until you reach a voltage where you're no longer comfortable going higher, or you can't control temperatures with the cooling you have. The maximum voltage I'd recommend under load would be ~1.25-1.30v.

You can probably leave other settings alone and still get a decent overclock.

EDIT: I largely agree about overclocking software, though. Intel's extreme tuning utility can be useful, but is inferior to a good bios overclock.

I agree completely with what you say about fixed voltages. I tend to suggest fixed voltage to get where you want to go, then adjust to Adaptive. Most people want some thing 'quick and dirty', but safe and fixed is the first step. Once they have the confidence and experience, it is comparatively simple to tune the voltages back and recover the idle.

I'm not sure that stock voltage will get the OP where they needs to go, and your methods are likely to be too complex for a first try..

 

[Mads Haugaard]

Yes, it sounds a bit more dificult really to make a non-fixed voltage. And i can see why a fixed could be bad, but to be honest. I play alot of cause, and whenever i use my computer it's mostly gaming. 75% of the time.. So in my case, if the overclock isn't that high i don't think i would mind a fixed speed really.

 

[Mads Haugaard]

So i just watched a couple videos with the 5820K (Overclocking guide)
And it seems like some people have to do a ton to make it stable.
Let's say i'm going for a 4.0ghz overclock.
So i bump up the overclock multiplier to 40 and my Vcore to 1.10 volt. What else would i need to ajust before i reboot and run a stress test?

 

[13thmonkey]

And the above is why you must educate yourself first it's not complex but there are things to consider. FYI 60C max temp at stock speeds is not great, so you really need to keep an eye on them when testing OCs.

Providing you don't go putting in x50 and +1V then you'll do a better job of it than any software can. There is nothing to be nervous about if you are methodical and cautious, although both of these are the default in the 'process' that you follow. The worst that will happen (unless you apply serious voltage) is that windows will crash and you get to go back a step.

I'm actually confident that you'll be ok. You aren't demanding, your attitude in your posts shows a good amount of caution, you are listening and reading instead of just saying 'give me the settings'.

Regarding non-fixed voltage, it's a piece of cake and exactly the same settings in bios, instead of entering manual 1.25V, you enter auto and an offfset of -0.005 (or whatever), same settings. ignore all of the other voltages. fiddling with them might get you a bit extra, but this'll be the majority.

 

[Mads Haugaard]

And the above is why you must educate yourself first it's not complex but there are things to consider. FYI 60C max temp at stock speeds is not great, so you really need to keep an eye on them when testing OCs.

Providing you don't go putting in x50 and +1V then you'll do a better job of it than any software can. There is nothing to be nervous about if you are methodical and cautious, although both of these are the default in the 'process' that you follow. The worst that will happen (unless you apply serious voltage) is that windows will crash and you get to go back a step.

I'm actually confident that you'll be ok. You aren't demanding, your attitude in your posts shows a good amount of caution, you are listening and reading instead of just saying 'give me the settings'.

Regarding non-fixed voltage, it's a piece of cake and exactly the same settings in bios, instead of entering manual 1.25V, you enter auto and an offfset of -0.005 (or whatever), same settings. ignore all of the other voltages. fiddling with them might get you a bit extra, but this'll be the majority.

The temps at 60c was a long time ago, and the cooler was running at about 40% speed since i set that to fixed speed. When i play it useally stays in about 49-55*c The thing is the cooler i have is quite when under 50% but above 60< it starts to be a little noisy. I'm pretty confident the heat wont be an issue luckily 😛

As goes for asking for the settings is something i would consider cheating lol. I like learning and trying it out myself since i wanna be able to repeat the proccess whenever needed. But thank you for the compliment

"Piece of cake" haha, well hopefully it will be once i start overclocking. But now where i got a cpu temp program ready, msi extreme tuning and all that good stuff, i think i'm ready to try it out.

So what do you mean with the offset? Could you explain further?

Thanks for helping btw

 

[Ecky]

Your CPU and motherboard are more resilient than you might expect. I have a (nearly) 4 year old i5 3570K, and I have pushed as much as 1.5v through it, and stress tested it at 100c for hours at a time. So far it has shown no sign of degradation. That's not to say my abuses were good, just that these chips can often take a fair amount of punishment. Accidentally giving it 1.4v for a few minutes when you meant to set it to 1.25 is not very dangerous.

 

[13thmonkey]

So i just watched a couple videos with the 5820K (Overclocking guide)
And it seems like some people have to do a ton to make it stable.
Let's say i'm going for a 4.0ghz overclock.
So i bump up the overclock multiplier to 40 and my Vcore to 1.10 volt. What else would i need to ajust before i reboot and run a stress test?

Nothing, just do that and see what happens, if you are lucky try 41 if unlucky try 1.11v

 

[13thmonkey]

Remember in the videos they are either trying to make themselves look clever, or cover all eventualities. I'd go with the former.

 

[Mads Haugaard]

Your CPU and motherboard are more resilient than you might expect. I have a (nearly) 4 year old i5 3570K, and I have pushed as much as 1.5v through it, and stress tested it at 100c for hours on and. So far it has shown no sign of degradation. That's not to say my abuses were good, just that these chips can often take a fair amount of punishment. Accidentally giving it 1.4v for a few minutes when you meant to set it to 1.25 is not very dangerous.

Well, i though when pushing something that much would burn out within a year. This is nice to know. But i wont be pushing mine that far tho haha 😀

 

[Mads Haugaard]

Remember in the videos they are either trying to make themselves look clever, or cover all eventualities. I'd go with the former.

Of cause. but most put their Bclock to roughly 100mhz so i'm guessing i'll do the same.

 

[Mads Haugaard]

I'm gonna start doing it now, wish me luck lol. And thank you so much for the guiding.

Well, seems like it doesn't allow to to change to CPU Ratio aka multiplier. It's stuck on "Auto" and i already set the settings to advanced user.
I have a few thins at the top called XMP and OC Geine, when i enable "OC Geine" it clocks the muliplier to 38 and i'm still not able to ajust it. What is causing this?

 

[13thmonkey]

Reading manual now