Intel i7 980x Vs AMD Phenom II X6 1090T

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Wich ones is better?

  • i7 980x

    Votes: 21 60.0%
  • AMD 1090t?

    Votes: 14 40.0%

  • Total voters
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Thanks, we got our butts kicked by EVGA because we didn't plan it correctly (nobody's fault really, we just didn't expect such a fast start from EVGA). They dumped a huge amount of -bigadv the first day and we couldn't catch them again. But we'll get them next year :sol:
 
Well, according to fans and specs dealers, it should run good with it overclocked. If you want to see results, try building one. I know it is a little stupid and cliche but, hey, why not. I would have to say you might see a 3-5 frame rate drop compared to the i7 980. i really cannot tell you, just give oyu ideas.
Well thank you very much for your opinion and reponse on this matter although I still have no certain benchmarks to go by.
It seems perhaps worthwhile then perhaps to give it a try on one system as an upgrade.I have heard that FSX already will use the extra cores (6) or threads so perhaps FSX will work better with the Thuban than Deneb.
Perhaps I might upgrade my AM3 system that has the Phenom II X4 955 BE in it and use the extra Phenom II X4 955 BE CPU to upgrade a AM2+ system that has the Phenom 9850 BE CPU in it.
 
INTEL CORE I7 980X IS A HELL OF A MONSTER.AMD PHENOM WHATEVER AMD HAVE CAN NOT BEAT THIS MONSTER.MAN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT 980X NOT A 920.IT HAS 6 CORES AND EACH HAS HYPERTHREADING TECHNOLOGY.SO I BELIEVE,THAT INTEL DUAL CORE 2 QUAD CPU WILL NOT BE ABLE TO COMPETE WITH THIS GUY!!!
 


A month late and $39 short. 😗
 


As I had stipulated prior to the release of the 1090T, an AMD Hexacore is on par/a little slower (per clock) overall in terms of performance when compared to an Intel Corei7 Quad Core.

Pick and choose tests, nitpick all you want.. overall.. that is the observable fact.

Core i7 >/= Phenom II X6

980x, however, is in a league of its own... I should know seeing as I own one.

As I always say... bring on Bulldozer already! Enough with Phenom.
 
I look at it this way, I do the research and I ask the question:

"What is the most powerful CPU that I can actually use and will have decent futureproofing without forcing me to eat Kraft Dinner every day for the next 6 months?"

Well, seeing as I currently have an AMD Phenom II X4 940 on an MSI K9A2 Platinum 790FX motherboard, the answer is... I already have all that I need. My motherboard supports Quad-CrossfireX and I have the OCZ Z-Series 1kW PSU to back it up. My CPU is fast enough at stock speed that it's incapable of bottlenecking even a Radeon HD 5970. I don't need more than that and with my 8GB of RAM, I don't even need to do a RAM upgrade even if it is DDR2-800. Anyone with an AM2+ or AM3 mobo shouldn't even be comparing. The fact that the PII X6 can be used without a new motherboard makes it immediately the better buy. For people upgrading from socket 775, they have to decide if they prefer the easy-upgrade path of AMD or the "buy a new board for every chip" path of Intel. Intel makes amazing products, of that there is no doubt but they also represent everything that is wrong with the PC market (along with nVidia). It's a definite no-brainer what my next upgrade will be (in no less than 2 years because I'll get much more mileage out of my system by simply throwing in video cards), I'll be getting the Phenom II X6 at whatever speed is available at the time. That's the joy of the 790FX northbridge for someone who loves gaming like I do, the 4 PCI-Express 2.0 Vidcard slots means we can just keep throwing video cards at it to improve gaming performance. USB 3.0 and SATA-6 are nice and all, but we won't be seeing anything that actually uses them for some time yet and most USB devices made today work just fine with USB 1.x such as webcams, mice, keyboards, magicjacks, etc. The only things that actually benefit from USB 2.0 are storage devices like flash drives and external hard drives. in the case of hard drives, eSATA is the faster and my mobo supports it so who cares? I'm a gaming enthusiast but I will not spend money that will do nothing to improve my gaming experience. Right now, a Phenom II X3/X4 CPU is all anyone would need to get the pinnacle in gaming experiences.
 
Six-Core Analysis: Intel Core i7-980X Scaling

Intel's Turbo Boost technology provides a mechanism for improving system performance most significantly in lightly-threaded apps, even at peak loads. But what is the feature's impact on a Gulftown-based Core i7-980X processor with different core counts?
After having looked at AMD’s six-core Phenom II X6 across all of its possible core configurations, it’s time to do the same with Intel’s Core i7-980X flagship. How do performance, power consumption, and power efficiency change when fewer cores are utilized? Is the 32 nm Core i7 top model best with all six cores, or does some combination of fewer core deliver the optimal experience?

The testing we did on AMD's Thuban-based six-core chip revealed two important things.

First, we had to realize that many applications still don't benefit from multiple cores. Users would realize much more performance if software did a better job of supporting the available hardware. We find it frustrating to see AMD and Intel deliver extremely powerful CPUs only to have their potential remain underutilized, especially in mainstream applications.

Our second finding was about efficiency. The Phenom II X6 shows the best performance per watt with all six cores active, as performance gains are more substantial than the additional power required to operate the higher core count.

Is this also the case on Intel’s flagship? Does using all six cores provide the best power efficiency? Will power consumption in idle decrease if we switch off individual cores? Let’s find out.

Both processor flagships from AMD and Intel are equipped with performance-enhancing features that allow the CPUs to increase clock speeds when two requirements are met. First, CPU load has to go through the roof, and secondly, there has to be sufficient thermal headroom for increasing the clock rate. The features, however, are implemented differently.

AMD’s Turbo CORE function only knows one acceleration mode, while Intel implements two (at least on this particular model; other CPUs are more dynamic). The first mode applies when all cores are accelerated (a 133 MHz boost). The second kicks in when only one or two cores are active and can benefit from additional clock speed (up to 266 MHz). The Turbo Boost implementation is more aggressive on Intel’s 32 nm processors, whether in dual- or multi-core models, but it's still notable on the 45 nm Core i5 and i7 processors. Note that Turbo Boost accelerates cores by increasing the CPU’s multiplier within a set range, but the feature can't always take advantage of maximum acceleration if the processor is already operating close to its thermal/power limits.

AMD’s Turbo CORE basically works like a reversed implementation of Cool'n'Quiet, AMD's power saving feature for CPUs. To make a long story short, Turbo CORE exploits thermal headroom if there's sufficient workload demand, and it does it for exactly three cores (unless you alter that through AMD's OverDrive software. In theory, this speaks to Intel’s configuration, since there should be higher clock speeds available if few cores are required. Only limited acceleration is available if all cores are involved, since there would be little headroom left. AMD’s feature, on the other hand, also kicks in when needed, but probably reaches thermal limits quicker because all cores are involved at all times. However, this is just a theory, and we need to put it to the test and directly compare Turbo Boost against Turbo CORE in a different article.

Regarding our test platform, we found that you can't just pick any socket LGA 1366 motherboard and expect to reduce the number of active cores. Fortunately, we found a feature for switching off individual cores on Gigabyte’s EX58-UD4P with the F12 BIOS version. Although this might not be a really important BIOS switch for most users, it's worth exploring, since power consumption does decrease if you switch off Intel cores. This wasn’t the case on our Phenom II X6 1090T test system. Here, idle power remained constant whether one or six cores were used.

3ds Max scales extremely well with each additional core.

Similar conclusions arise with 7-Zip, although you’re not getting a lot more performance beyond four or five cores.

Cinebench in its multi-threaded run shows that real life performance doesn't scale linearly with every processing core added. There is a bit of overhead incurred with each addition. Again, we’re seeing best results from the six-core configuration.

Adobe’s Acrobat 9 always takes at least a few seconds to generate a PDF document from a complex Word or PowerPoint file. Our benchmark uses a 115-page presentation, but the time savings on multiple cores versus a single core are embarassing for Adobe. It should be possible to parallelize this type of workload to a much greater extent. As things stand, all you really need is a fast, dual-core CPU.

Photoshop CS4 is a perfect example of how applications can take maximum advantage of modern multi-core processors.

WinRAR is thread-optimized and benefits from each CPU core enabled during testing, but benchmark variance is about as large as the performance gains witnessed once you exceed three cores.

WinZip needs a serious update. Variance is high and performance only scales if you boost clock speeds. What a disappointment for such a popular tool.

Idle power actually decreases if you decide to switch off CPU cores, but the difference isn’t large, thanks to optimizations in Intel's architecture that shut down unused execution resources when they're not in use anyway. We measured savings of 2% between six cores and just one.

Peak power scales very linearly. If you were to switch off five out of the six cores, our Core i7-980X machine would require only 122W at peak load rather than 223W. This would be a single-core 32 nm processor with 12MB L3 cache and a 3.2 GHz clock speed running at only 54% of the peak power of six cores. Keep in mind that performance drops much more, though. This is just a hypothetical example.

The total runtime tells us how long the systems took to complete our full efficiency workload, including most of the applications mentioned previously. Clearly, the difference between one, two, and four cores is significant, while adding cores five and six don't yield the same performance jumps. This is very applicable to real life and typical applications.

The average power consumption during this efficiency run increases with every core we switch on, but look at how the bars create a curve that flattens out. Average power may increase, but so does performance, and probably to a larger extent.

These results are similar to what we found on our AMD system. The total power required to complete our efficiency workload is lowest with a maximum number of cores.

These results clearly show how performance increases significantly with additional cores while power consumption increases more moderately. If we relate performance to power used, we get confirmation that 5- and 6-core operation is most efficient.

Both AMD's Phenom II X6 and Intel’s Core i7-980X prove that a larger CPU core count is by far the most reasonable technique for improving overall performance. This largely depends on software support for threading, as applications need to be able to take advantage of more than one or two processor cores. However, with this support in place, we can see from our results that you’ll not only be getting much faster performance, but also highly improved efficiency (performance per watt).

Since idle power between six, four, or only two active cores doesn't vary much, we can only recommend leaving all cores switched on all the time (as we suspected at the start of this piece). There are other, much more effective ways to reduce power consumption than disabling cores. Likewise, our results show that it makes sense to pick the highest possible core count within a processor generation when you’re looking for maximum performance in threaded environments.

Unfortunately, only professional applications are truly thread-optimized across the board. Lots of popular software, even from large software houses like Adobe, might not always be good at utilizing multi-core resources. Thus, clock speeds remain important, even though they make limited sense from an efficiency standpoint. We’ll soon be looking at the two six-core processors again to compare their Turbo features at stock speeds and at overclocked speeds, since it seems that these dynamic mechanisms are the best way to combine the best of both worlds: high clock speeds and a large core count.
 
If you think that the 980 is the ONLY best hexacore CPU, you are mistaken my friend. Listen, to any user of a personal computer, the 980 is WAY too expensive,( as well as its leeser cousin, 970), and, Intel is really sucking everyones money down the drwain. Call me a conspiratist but, i think Intel is trying to monopolize through the consumer, so the FTC cannot get to them...DUHH!
Umm... What?

If Intel were trying to monopolize the market, they would drop prices quite a bit to drive AMD bankrupt. Keeping their prices high makes AMD more competitive, which postpones or prevents a monopoly from forming.
 
Intel knows that we, the consumer, have no other choice but to buy their brands.

So AMD magically doesn't exist? That's ridiculous.

What? AMD? To Intel, AMD is just another pothole in the road of sucess. In reality, if Intel was in a real competition against a Deep, Hard, Powerful company, they would have to drop FOR competition. Why do you think that AMD has low prices? Reality?
Why does AMD have low prices? To sell processors. Why does intel not drop prices? Because they have the more cost-effective processors right now from a manufacturing perspective (an i7 is cheaper for Intel to make than a PhII x6 is for AMD), and they could price AMD right out of the market. That would leave Intel with a true monopoly, which from Intel's standpoint would be a bad thing (due to antitrust regulations).

It's actually in Intel's best interest for AMD to be competitive, at least to some level.
 
Whoa,whoa,whoa....wait a minute. If intel has the most cost-effective CPU's in the market, why not drop prices?
I just explained that. If Intel drops prices, they risk driving AMD out of the market, which would be considered monopolistic behavior that violates antitrust laws.

Of course, I don't know why I'm bothering to explain again, since you already ignored the explanation twice.

AMD can give the same processor for LESS> Really? Intel IS overpricing.
No, AMD can't give you the same processor for less. AMD can give you a different processor that happens to be in many ways comparable for less.

(this is nitpicking, I'll admit)

They are cleaning guys like you and me, of our walets...weather you like them or not. The i7 920 in reaity should sell for 200 dollars. The 980, sell for 800 dollars. Really, the CPU's are NOT that expensive. It is the sale of the Chip that is rediculous.
I've got news for you. The i7 920 does sell for $200, assuming you have a micro center nearby, and even if you don't, the 920 is definitely not overpriced. When you compare it to comparable performance AMD chips (and I don't mean just for gaming, as an i7's potential is wasted in an exclusively gaming machine), it is not overpriced at all.

Oh, and there's no reason why they should have to sell chips to us with minimal profit. They sell chips at prices that the market supports, with the prices of lower end models also driven by the competition from AMD. If you don't like the pricing of the higher end chips, don't buy them. The people who actually need that level of computing power will happily pay $800-$1k for them.
 




Thank you ive been waiting to see someone with some market exp... I cant agree with you more.. Intel did the right thing drop all the prices for the old I7 to make bank on the new one its simple guys dont kill yourself over not being rich we are all poor here but given the chance and the winning loto numbers id buy W/E the Funk i want.. Esp. if its the fastest thing out there and nobody else has it... you know i saw a tower for 989.89 on TD that means someone cares that much about cooling and design why not care as much about CPU performance O yeah and GPUs are getting up there as well
 
1055t > 1090t/980x/930

Why!

6 cores OC to 4ghz for $199. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103851

Thats the same as a 1090t will do which costs $100 more http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103849

Yes the 980x is faster but by grumpy joe $964 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115223

And the I7 930 $290 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115225

The 1055t is cheapest, performs same as stock 1090t with a tiny Bios tweak, OC to same levels as 1090t on decent board, keeps with more expensive 930 in most things except when 930 is OC to its silly heights and smothers 980x in price/performance for normal man on PC not computing 980x wielding geek god/ess (although secretly I probably wish this was me because I could probably afford to drive a Porsche not an EVO)
 
you are right.but i choose core i7 875 k.it is much better than 930 and x6 1090t and also 980x.overclock to 4.2 with air cooling.seems intel pull out amd again.
 
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