News Intel issues official statement on Core K-series crashes: stick to Intel's official power profiles

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Intel wants motherboard makers to adhere to the recommended power delivery profiles as it investigates the source of unlocked 13th/14th-Generation Core CPU crashing issues.

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[-Fran-]

Retesting Apocalypse Now?

Thanks Intel! .- Many reviewers, surely.

Regards

 

[peachpuff]

 

[Marlin1975]

So is toms going to retest Intel CPUs at the now "baseline" and not over clocked power ratings?

 

[35below0]

So is toms going to retest Intel CPUs at the now "baseline" and not over clocked power ratings?

All the benchmarks are flawed now. i7 and i9 intels will lose performance after retesting. Performance they never should have had because it was unstable.

Although, nothing stops users overdriving their CPUs to hell and back on their own.

 

[rluker5]

All the benchmarks are flawed now. i7 and i9 intels will lose performance after retesting. Performance they never should have had because it was unstable.

Although, nothing stops users overdriving their CPUs to hell and back on their own.

Some are unstable. Not mine, not all, not most, some. Intel said to follow this IF you had stability issues.

All of these guidelines are consistent with lowering and dealing vdroop under heavy load.

Apparently the motherboards power delivery at default settings is no match for i9s power consumption capabilities.

 

[tennis2]

Pushed the limits too far.

 

[JasonovichClone]

People had paid serious wonga just to have the bragging rights but now due to instability problems, those that have been affected now have useless CPU's at worse or forced to throttle down their little guzzlers into vanilla 139/149K.

So disingenuous on Intel's part, they knew their processors were operating beyond their threshold and carte blanche was already in place for MB OEMs to milk it but when the faeces hit the fan.

Intel cries What No, Not our fault. They first blamed Nvidia then Jensen said No not out of memory problem, please under volt your CPU.

Not a problem Team Blue needs right now, when AMD is preparing to launch it's destroyer of worlds battleship ZEN 5.

 

[ingtar33]

Some are unstable. Not mine, not all, not most, some. Intel said to follow this IF you had stability issues.

All of these guidelines are consistent with lowering and dealing vdroop under heavy load.

Apparently the motherboards power delivery at default settings is no match for i9s power consumption capabilities.

according to a pc maker, after testing 1000 intel 14th gen chips, he found only 20% of the i9 14900k/ks chips were stable out of the box with those extreme power settings.

thats a hell of a lot more then "some"

and i suggest you run your chip on prime95 for a few hours to verify it's stable. cause you only have a 1/5 chance you won that lotto.

 

[gggplaya]

according to a pc maker, after testing 1000 intel 14th gen chips, he found only 20% of the i9 14900k/ks chips were stable out of the box with those extreme power settings.

thats a hell of a lot more then "some"

and i suggest you run your chip on prime95 for a few hours to verify it's stable. cause you only have a 1/5 chance you won that lotto.

I believe that qualifies as "MOST" have some form of stability issue with motherboard overclock power profile.

So glad I bought a Ryzen 7800x3D. Less watts and runs much cooler. Sure it has RAM stability issues but AMD only advertises and rates it at 5200mhz speed, which runs fine. DDR5-6000 runs great on most binned chips. Anything over that is silicone lottery and they've always been up front about that.

 

[palladin9479]

So is toms going to retest Intel CPUs at the now "baseline" and not over clocked power ratings?

It's kind of the other way around. "Default" settings were not Intel's actual defaults and instead where the motherboard Vendors attempts at automatically overclocking. Intel is now asking to use the non-defaults because those settings come from the Intel CPU and not the motherboard BIOS.

 

[ccoonansr]

Someone tell me if I'm getting this right, please.

K Sku processors, that you pay a premium to overclock on a premium motherboard, doesn't run correctly when overclocked ?

 

[Amdlova]

Someone tell me if I'm getting this right, please.

K Sku processors, that you pay a premium to overclock on a premium motherboard, doesn't run correctly when overclocked ?

What overclock? The maximum overclock I got 85% cpu speed today overclock is undervolt lol

 

[JasonovichClone]

I believe that qualifies as "MOST" have some form of stability issue with motherboard overclock power profile.

So glad I bought a Ryzen 7800x3D. Less watts and runs much cooler. Sure it has RAM stability issues but AMD only advertises and rates it at 5200mhz speed, which runs fine. DDR5-6000 runs great on most binned chips. Anything over that is silicone lottery and they've always been up front about that.

You also have longevity and simple upgrade path to ZEN 5 and possibly beyond and it's a no brainer, AMD motherboards are much cheaper now and just to add, a BIOs upgrade is all you need to smooth out any DDR5 issues. This was an issue for early adopters of the AM5 platform. My ASUS TUF 650 which I've recently upgraded from AM4, is really stable, the DDR5 6000 (4x16gb) works just fine

 

[Moonstick2]

I've had to read this article several times to try and make sense of it in light of the comments in this thread, and here's how I understand it, so correct me if I'm wrong:

1) Significant numbers of 13th/14th K-series have been crashing. Nobody actually knows why.

2) Motherboard power delivery is thought to be the issue, so a load of the motherboard suppliers are now issuing "Baseline" settings to try and improve stability at the expense of performance.

3) Intel are trying to say that the manufacturers are over-reacting and only low-end boards need settings this cautious. As boards become progressively higher-end they can run more aggressive power profiles, so Intel want the manufacturers to do this.

Is this right? I'm largely refraining from dishing out an opinion here.

 

[d8mach]

Simply put, because of this drama I stayed with the 12th Gen I7 when assembling my new desktop last month. Well, and that the cooler would need to dissipate roughly twice as much heat at base load. And I read (here?) the performance increase 13 and 14 gen over the 12 gen for the price was of questionable value.

 

[TerryLaze]

So is toms going to retest Intel CPUs at the now "baseline" and not over clocked power ratings?

Lol, no, because then they can't claim 400W power draw and have fire icons everywhere...no-good for click bait.
Max power draw of the k versions would be 253 and only the ks would have an official 320W setting and that would be labeled extreme.

 

[TerryLaze]

Someone tell me if I'm getting this right, please.

K Sku processors, that you pay a premium to overclock on a premium motherboard, doesn't run correctly when overclocked ?

They don't run correctly if you go way overboard with the overclock, exactly like 100% of every overclockable CPU ever.

 

[gggplaya]

Simply put, because of this drama I stayed with the 12th Gen I7 when assembling my new desktop last month. Well, and that the cooler would need to dissipate roughly twice as much heat at base load. And I read (here?) the performance increase 13 and 14 gen over the 12 gen for the price was of questionable value.

Just curious why you didn't get an AM5 AMD setup instead? You have no upgrade path and worse performance?

 

[NinoPino]

Some are unstable. Not mine, not all, not most, some. Intel said to follow this IF you had stability issues.

"By recommending platform developers implement the highest power delivery profile compatible with their motherboards, Intel ensures that its CPUs get enough power and the end user gets the full performance its processors are capable of, which is in line with Intel's warranty terms. "

As written, Intel recommends on all motherboards only his three profiles and outside these profiles, warranty do not apply.

 

[Amdlova]

Just curious why you didn't get an AM5 AMD setup instead? You have no upgrade path and worse performance?

Some people stick with intel for compatibility issues. AMD is walking on offices/workstation or other professional.
I have Build for machines with amd for my personal use... and don't like any of them.
1700x 1600af 3600x and a 5700G all have some issues need to waiting to be fixed forever...
Today i have a h670 and a intel 13600T no issues only work for days weeks working with out any bsod

 

[helper800]

Some people stick with intel for compatibility issues. AMD is walking on offices/workstation or other professional.
I have Build for machines with amd for my personal use... and don't like any of them.
1700x 1600af 3600x and a 5700G all have some issues need to waiting to be fixed forever...
Today i have a h670 and a intel 13600T no issues only work for days weeks working with out any bsod

What issues did you have that were distinct from each other with the different AMD CPUs?

 

[bit_user]

Some are unstable. Not mine, not all, not most, some.

How do you know you won't have trouble in the future? This sounds like a story of accelerated silicon aging, of some form or another.

It sounded to me like most people plagued by these problems weren't, at first. They only started to experience these problems over time.

Intel said to follow this IF you had stability issues.

No... they want all motherboards to default to Intel's official settings, to prevent people's chips from prematurely degrading.

 

[palladin9479]

Someone tell me if I'm getting this right, please.

K Sku processors, that you pay a premium to overclock on a premium motherboard, doesn't run correctly when overclocked ?

Other way around, they do not run correctly if you leave it up to the motherboard.

Intel K series ship with "base, performance and extreme" power profile settings. The default profile should be "base" but what we've discovered is that motherboard manufacturers were substituting their own power profiles that ran the CPU's wildly out of spec in an attempt to auto-overclock the K series CPUs. The resolution is to manually set the power profile to either "performance" or "extreme" which will use the values from Intel instead of the motherboard manufacturers own crazy values.

People are trying to twist it to hate on intel, but the root cause is motherboard manufacturers ignoring the CPU's base power profile settings by default.

 

[rluker5]

according to a pc maker, after testing 1000 intel 14th gen chips, he found only 20% of the i9 14900k/ks chips were stable out of the box with those extreme power settings.

thats a hell of a lot more then "some"

and i suggest you run your chip on prime95 for a few hours to verify it's stable. cause you only have a 1/5 chance you won that lotto.

That's about as realistic in general use as seeing what is the max volts your CPU can handle before it crashes. My Haswell grade motherboard with high vdroop stock settings couldn't handle the power delivery for 2 hours and maintain the required voltage for stability.
Now if I push the vrms harder with a lower vdroop setting then the volts will be delivered.
Just because motherboard manufacturers are still stuck on 150w grade power delivery settings for power virus torture tests doesn't mean it is my chips fault. My motherboard is just Cinebench, every game and general task stable at Asus stock settings.
Losing 200mv on the way to the chip isn't the chips fault. It is the motherboard that misplaced it.

"By recommending platform developers implement the highest power delivery profile compatible with their motherboards, Intel ensures that its CPUs get enough power and the end user gets the full performance its processors are capable of, which is in line with Intel's warranty terms. "

As written, Intel recommends on all motherboards only his three profiles and outside these profiles, warranty do not apply.

I was talking about end users not motherboard vendors.