News Intel launches Arrow Lake mobile family with Core Ultra 200HX and 200H processors

[NinoPino]

You critize Intel's naming scheme saying it's worse, but also stating you need a reference table to know what AMD is selling you. This is not better than Intel's naming in any way shape or form.

Both are "easily understandable with the reference table". Or rather, both are equally hard to grasp. If you cannot understand one or the other, then the issue lies not with the table. It's funny, though, how you COMPLETELY ignored me giving an example of the common PC user, who will never look in the general direction of either of those tables and thus will be easily deceived by both companies, making both the same level of bad. Not that pro-AMD bias is anything new here...

I can proudly say that I prefer this :

than this :

The reason is that the Intel scheme is lightly structured, giving less information and forcing also an experienced customer to look at proper documentation to compare different models.

 

[spongiemaster]

I can proudly say that I prefer this :

than this :

The reason is that the Intel scheme is lightly structured, giving less information and forcing also an experienced customer to look at proper documentation to compare different models.

Based on the chart above tell us what a Ryzen AI Max Pro 390 is.

 

[thestryker]

The reason is that the Intel scheme is lightly structured, giving less information and forcing also an experienced customer to look at proper documentation to compare different models.

The only difference between the two in what they "tell" you by the name is architecture. If that's what makes it better for you.... well okay good for you I guess. I prefer the one which isn't an obvious trap for the less informed customer though both should be a lot better.

 

[User of Computers]

Hallock's presentation shows Intel's H series AI processing drastically outperforming Qualcomm and AMD chips. It looks like a big win for Intel ...

Because Intel's iGPU comes with their XMX units, making it faster for AI. The dedicated NPU is not as wide as its competitors though.

 

[User of Computers]

tell us what a Ryzen AI Max Pro 390 is.

Is the naming scheme bad? Yes. It's too buzzword filled. That being said, I honestly don't mind AMD's thing. At the VERY LEAST, the model number tells you where it's positioned relatively in the stack (for example, a 370 is better than a 340), and the Hawk Point Refresh SKUs are labelled as a full 100 behind the Zen 5 chips. It's not good, but I think it's a step up from the "8040" series stuff that came before it.

 

[User of Computers]

I have to hard disagree here. For the common user, it doesn't matter what a number means past the first; nobody will look that up. Just the past few weeks I helped a friend set up a new system. Said friend didn't know what EXPO is (we picked an AMD CPU), thought EXPO/XMP is automatically activated anyways (it's not), and didn't know where to check if it is on in the OS, didn't know what FSR or DLSS is, or reBAR. Or that AMD G-series desktops chips are not always the same core generation as others with the same leading number, eg a 5600G is not the same chip, or same core generation, as the 5600X. And if anything, as the graph above shows it is just getting worse. This person was stuck on 3rd gen Intel tech, used an old Xeon from that time, and only upgraded because the system was dying. That's the common user, the standard gamer. Not you and me, who might actually look stuff up. For these people, it makes not a lick of a difference; they see "Ryzen 5 7520U" and think it's an actually new chip with the newest core gen (well, previous now), and think it's a great thing when in truth they buy outdated tech with some new features. At least Intel is only going back three years instead of eight.

What are you disagreeing with? Intel's 200 series naming scheme is bad if all the consumer is doing is looking at the model number. They may miss that their purportedly "200 series" CPU is actually Alder Lake silicon from 2021.

 

[KyaraM]

What are you disagreeing with? Intel's 200 series naming scheme is bad if all the consumer is doing is looking at the model number. They may miss that their purportedly "200 series" CPU is actually Alder Lake silicon from 2021.

I made that post against the claim is that AMD is better, when it's actually even easier to miss that your "new" 7520U is really from 2019 instead of 2023 when there are other chips in the same series like the 7530U and 7540U that are all different silicon, too. And the same goes for the 8000 series, and before that the 5700U was Zen2 and so were all APUs from the 5000 series. That was an entire discussion thread with people quoting each other; reading that before jumping in might have helped understanding what people are saying.