Intel might be making gpus...disgusting

[TheGreatGrapeApe]

fyi
intel has been making GPU's for over the past 10 years. and they have a 70 - 80 % market share in graphics.

Whoa Intelboi, try half that number;
http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/video/display/20060522074653.html

Now if they do do well in the entry and mid market then they might reach close to that number, but it's not the case now.

the intel grpahics are right now only meant for low end market (thats where most of the profit is).

Actually no, the integrated market isn't very profitable, where the money is is in the low-mid market of the discrete chips, they make far more money.

I think what you are thinking is they are going to make a discrete card to compete with nvidia and ati. i say more power to them make it cheaper and faster than what is available. i want more for less

You probably won't get more, but you might (most likely will) get it for less not only because of Intel's potential for low cost production, but for competition and for the usual low-ball pricing to enter/re-enter a market where they don't have a great name for anything more than basic utilitarian graphics.

I think it has potential for being good and bad, but as long as they don't go after the high end, then it's likely bad for pushing the tech envelope IMO, for the reason I've already stated.

 

[TheGreatGrapeApe]

Intel didn't buy 3DLabs, in fact creative still hasn't sold them yet. What Intel did do was buy access to 3DLabs patents/tech, but that was older tech for the i740, pre-DX8, of little help now.

The thing about 3Dlabs is that they only make workstation cards, their experiening in gaming is pretty much nil (still waiting for the Ninja/P10), heck Intel is more game-centric or even multi-media based than 3DLabs is.

 

[apache_lives]

this is all cause of vista and the steep requirements for video (for basic use) - intel is king as mass producing chips, and they need a cheap integrated (or similar priced) package to do it.

 

[SoupRKnowva]

yeah im not sure on the details of what the guy i know was saying about the purchase, but i just did some detailed google searhing and found absolutely nothing....so im thinkingn that maybe they just havent announced it, cause they just recently did it as far as he says, like within the last couple months, hes been flying to fort collins colorado, every week for like a month or two now to go to 3d labs to sort out what people of theirs hes gonna keep an who he'll fire, but yeah...just what i know

 

[gman01]

Maybe nvidia and ati should start making processors :lol:.

As funny as it seems I could see nvidia making an attempt at it one day.... Maybe if they teamed up with VIA or something like that.... Or made just a palm size cpu....

 

[jaguarskx]

I was talking about all graphics but you link is for desktop only graphics.

intel is ~50% mobile and ~39% desktop I think the 70-80% range is fairly close to the market share they have.

The X-bitlabs article did mention Intel's IGP for laptops at the bottom of the article.

Intel led the mobile graphics market with 53.3% share, ATI held 36.4% share, and Nvidia followed with 6.6% market share. As on the desktop side, ATI expanded its overall mobile market share on increased shipments of integrated graphics shipments for notebook platforms. In the discrete mobile segment, however, ATI saw shipments decline on a quarterly basis while Nvidia saw shipments increase sequentially.

Combine the 53.3% for the mobile market and 39.1% for the desktop market and you'll get an average of 46.2%. That's assuming desktop and mobile volume sales are the same. In any case, Intel hold on the total IGP market is 40% to 50%.

 

[TheGreatGrapeApe]

yeah im not sure on the details of what the guy i know was saying about the purchase, but i just did some detailed google searhing and found absolutely nothing....so im thinkingn that maybe they just havent announced it,

And really it's not a surprising developement, if Intel IS going to take this market head on, then buying the remains of 3DLabs from Creative does make sense. It's still somewhat older tech, but they are still kings of the workstation market, and likely have alot of newer R&D worht buying. Heck we were talking about ATi and nVidia picking away at the intellectual property a few weeks/months ago when it was first announced that they would be closing shop. So it makes sense.

cause they just recently did it as far as he says, like within the last couple months, hes been flying to fort collins colorado, every week for like a month or two now to go to 3d labs to sort out what people of theirs hes gonna keep an who he'll fire, but yeah...just what i know

Well really if it's not the last 'couple of days' I'd say the InQ would've reported it, because a change of ownership would likely have to be filed publically so, I'd be surprised if Creative and Intel came to an agreement on 3DLabs and no one knew, heck that in and of itself would be a newsworthy story.

intel is king as mass producing chips, and they need a cheap integrated (or similar priced) package to do it.

Yeah but they already have it, the GMA965/3000 is a very VERY impressive looking integrated chip, especially it's media capabilities, and full pixel/geometry/vertex unified shader is impressive and technically more complex than the hybrid G80 (although likely much less powerful).

 

[TheGreatGrapeApe]

I was talking about all graphics but you link is for desktop only graphics.

You know that big GIANT graph on the front of that article that's for ALL GRAPHIC DEVICES. It's the raw chip numbers not desktops alone, perhaps reading the article instead of just the title would help you;

"Jon Peddie Research estimates that approximately 74.9 million PC graphics devices shipped from major suppliers in Q1 2006, a 5.7% decline from the prior quarter and a 24.5% increase over the same period the previous year.

Intel increased its share during the Q1 2006 and commanded 39.1% of the market, whereas ATI remained the second largest supplier with 28.7% of the market in Q1 2006"

AFTER that they go on to breakdown the composition of those chips into IGP, Discrete and Mobile parts/percentages.

intel is ~50% mobile and ~39% desktop I think the 70-80% range is fairly close to the market share they have.

Seriously where did you learn math, averaging percentage does not involve adding them. The MAX they could be is that ~50% if they have a max of 50% of a market and that's if the markets were divided 100 to 1 so that the other lower percentage was irrelevant, either way you're way WAY off.

i dont see graphics as having a mid range what is the distinction to say there is a mid range.

It really doesn't matter what YOU (or I) see, what matters is what the companies see, and both nV and ATi always talk about the mid-range and entry level as being their most profitable segments. Entry level for their products would be X300SE-X1300/GF6200TC-GF7300 and mid range would be X1600-X1800GTO/X199GT and GF6800GS-GF7600GT.

This division in this review may help you understand the differences;
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/video/display/gpu-consumption2006.html

is there really a mid range thing to consider with graphics?

Yes and that you don't know that shows you don't know much about the industry, and really even less about economics, which is really what this business is about, not big, bigger, best; but price/performance baskets for consumers and what makes the companies the most money.