[SOLVED] Intel or amd in single core?

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Now, I know i either want a ryzen 3700x or an i7 8700. A really important factor for me is a very fast single core cpu speed, i play paradox games which only use one core for god knows why. Which cpu beats out the other in single core? Keep in mind that I also will need a new mobo for the 3700x, not my i7 8700. It would cost me around 300 AUD less for a 8700. Thanks.
 
assorted comparisons showed the newer Ryzens about equal with the 8700K in most gaming scenarios...

(Normally, I'd personally just choose the 3700 and call it a day, but, I'm not sure why you'd save 300AU on the Intel package, but, the 8700 is still quite competent at any and all games..! That level of savings would about fund an RTX580 or so....)
 

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The prices aren't horrible unless you look at the X570 boards.

i7-8700 motherboard.

PCPartPicker Part List

Motherboard: ASRock B365M Pro4 Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($129.00 @ PCCaseGear)
Total: $129.00
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-08-18 09:14 AEST+1000


3700X motherboard.

PCPartPicker Part List

Motherboard: MSI B450 TOMAHAWK ATX AM4 Motherboard ($179.00 @ Umart)
Total: $179.00
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
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MSI BIOS Flashback (Required to use on the Tomahawk to use the 3700X).

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTkXunUAriE



Your better off with the 3700X.
 

aocon62

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assorted comparisons showed the newer Ryzens about equal with the 8700K in most gaming scenarios...

(Normally, I'd personally just choose the 3700 and call it a day, but, I'm not sure why you'd save 300AU on the Intel package, but, the 8700 is still quite competent at any and all games..! That level of savings would about fund an RTX580 or so....)
I already own a 8th gen mobo. Ryzen is quite expensive for mobos (around 200-250), atleast in Australia.
 

aocon62

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The 3700x has much better multicore performance and slightly better single-threaded performance.

What is your current mobo?

What motherboard are you looking for the 3700x? I don't know why there would be such a difference in cost.
I own an 8th gen mobo. And the cheapest ryzen mobos are about 250 aud.
 
Ryzen motherboards start really cheap.
PCPartPicker Part List

Type|Item|Price
:----|:----|:----
Motherboard | MSI A320M PRO-M2 Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard | $69.00 @ Shopping Express
| Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts |
| Total | $69.00
| Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-08-18 09:22 AEST+1000 |
Heres a board id actually reccomend
PCPartPicker Part List

Type|Item|Price
:----|:----|:----
Motherboard | MSI B450M GAMING PLUS Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard | $128.00 @ Austin Computers
| Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts |
| Total | $128.00
| Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-08-18 09:24 AEST+1000 |

Not nearly 250aud
 

aocon62

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The prices aren't horrible unless you look at the X570 boards.

i7-8700 motherboard.

PCPartPicker Part List

Motherboard: ASRock B365M Pro4 Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($129.00 @ PCCaseGear)
Total: $129.00
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-08-18 09:14 AEST+1000


3700X motherboard.

PCPartPicker Part List

Motherboard: MSI B450 TOMAHAWK ATX AM4 Motherboard ($179.00 @ Umart)
Total: $179.00
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-08-18 09:15 AEST+1000


MSI BIOS Flashback (Required to use on the Tomahawk to use the 3700X).

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTkXunUAriE



Your better off with the 3700X.
Would this ram be compatible with ryzen?
http://www.gskill.com/specification/165/166/1536652295/F4-3000C15D-16GTZR-Specification
That is my only worry, if it is i will buy a 3700 x
 

aocon62

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Yeah it is, 3rd gen Ryzen has very good memory controller since it's on the separate IO chiplet.
The cpus have official support up to 3200MHz so any DDR4 RAM up to that point works.
Thanks mate, your a life savoir. I am cancelling my order for a i5 9600k. Was just not sure if it would work.
 

aocon62

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The prices aren't horrible unless you look at the X570 boards.

i7-8700 motherboard.

PCPartPicker Part List

Motherboard: ASRock B365M Pro4 Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($129.00 @ PCCaseGear)
Total: $129.00
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-08-18 09:14 AEST+1000


3700X motherboard.

PCPartPicker Part List

Motherboard: MSI B450 TOMAHAWK ATX AM4 Motherboard ($179.00 @ Umart)
Total: $179.00
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-08-18 09:15 AEST+1000


MSI BIOS Flashback (Required to use on the Tomahawk to use the 3700X).

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTkXunUAriE



Your better off with the 3700X.
Would i need to update the bios with this board?
https://www.pccasegear.com/products/43285/asus-rog-strix-b450-f-gaming-motherboard
 

InvalidError

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Yeah it is, 3rd gen Ryzen has very good memory controller since it's on the separate IO chiplet.
The memory controller being on a separate die does not make it any better or worse, Intel CPUs still have everything on a single 14nm die and still have much better memory compatibility than AMD with Intel chips able to push 500+MHz higher memory overclocks.

AMD's memory controller is on a separate die mainly because IO does not scale well with process shrinks so AMD spun off the IO to GloFo's 14nm process to spare expensive 7nm wafer space. This setup also provides a convenient sink for AMD's remaining GloFo minimum wafer purchase commitments which AMD would otherwise have to pay penalties on for not using.
 

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