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Hey guys , i was looking around 3dmark Vantage, and i checked the little tool that tells you expected score for some hardware, and the top 2 CPUs were: #1 the intel core i7 965, yes 965, and #2 the AMD Phenom II x4 940. Now don't get mad at me if your hardcore intel, because this is according to 3dmark. The i7 920 was at number 4 or 5, below some extreme duals or quads.
 


Oh my. Really? Whats that Randomizer posted below? Could it be? A chart showing those prices that AMD supposively did not gouge people with during the Athlon X2s reign?

Oh that must be an evil Intel conspiracy, right?

Saddest thing is that was the mid to high end. The Athlon FXs were even worse to start. They were well over $1K.

AMD doesn't hike their prices my ass. They are a God damn business just like Intel. If Phenom II creamed C2Q and Core i7 you better bet your ass that they would be running their 945BEs at over $1K. Stop trying to make them some saint company that cares about the consumer. They care about their bottom line and thats all.



Am I crazy or do these people seriously think AMD is Jesus? I mean I know intel wont lower their prices to help out us lower income people on budgets. I know nVidia wont. Why can't people realize AMD cares more about the profit than the people?

A business is a business. Out to make money, not friends.
 

That's only really relevant if you are running liquid helium though. For normal air cooling, the Phenom will lose to the i7 920 every time.
 
"A business is a business. Out to make money, not friends. "

So what?

The OP needs to sit down and price out the entire system. This talk is all about cpu. smitty says that a $100 price difference is not so bad.

BUT

That's only possible if you combine the i7 with a CHEAPEE mobo. If you get a good cpu, get a good mobo with all the performance features included - the cheap mobo cuts out more and more of those features - such as oclox settings, high end ram support, and especially strong power handling thru the PWM/mosfet section.

This is where the AMD Platform comes on strong. Price it out yourself - after you do the research to know what's high end hardware.

Using quality parts, the AMD Platform will come out as much as $300 less in system cost.

One of the sad trix of the spintel fanboys here is to pair an expensive cpu with a junk mobo. You can compromise if you have to; but you can't get what a mobo does not offer. If you slow down and do the research, rather than think you will get a true picture from a thread like this, or others, you can make a decision that will pay you for your efforts; and save you regret later.

The other thing has been mentioned. socket 775 is an investment in a dead end street - it's end of life, no future upgrade except more money into a dead end street.

the intended use is high end game. At the high end of hardware, AMD is the only economical solution. If you think a 300 dollar difference if not so bad; then know that performance in high end game actually favours AMD.

most benches are lies - this is only known to those who want to see it, and have done the research, and can see thru the spintel bs, and the fanboy sites, and the biased reviews, and many other trix designed to lead you down the garden path.

let the fanboys babble their reaction to this. I am an AMD fan for very good reasons. Do the research to educate yourself - or piss away your money.
 
I fail to see how pretty much any X58 board on the market today could be called a junk mobo. They are all designed with the enthusiast in mind, and therefore, they don't really fall under your claims. As for benchmarks being lies? They absolutely are not. You just have to understand what they really mean. Depending on what you are doing, they can quite accurately tell you which CPU is best, but you have to know which ones to pay attention to.
 
I have the cheapest X58 board available in Australia (MSI X58 Pro-E) and it's a solid board. I haven't overclocked it yet but I've seen it manage ~220 Bclk in the few reviews on it, which is pretty typical of most boards. There is only one "junk" X58 board I've seen and it's a Jetway. It doesn't support most voltage and memory timing adjustments and Turbo doesn't work on it.
 
Just for me getting this straight. If i almost only intend to play games (i never use video editor or designer programs) i wouldn't notice a very big difference between a i7 and a amd x4?

I've done a little research and i've ended up a bill of 800€ for a i7 processor and a MSI x58M or a Gigabyte x58 mobo.

If i choose AMD i could buy a ddr3 mobo for much less aswell i could buy a cpu for much less.

I would actually end at only 650€. That's quite big difference, 150€ that i can spend on a case or extra coolers!

Would it really be worth to buy a i7 so soon as today? i mean the 8core processors are soon beeing released and then the i7 wont be the best anymore. If i wait like 1 year would it be smarter to buy the i7 processor then?

I would like to hear a statement to someone whos not a Fanboy of either AMD or Intel plz =)

But seriously i dont want a answer like "oh go with intel they are always best" or viceversa.

Thanks in advance to anyone who answers =)
 
^ 8 core intel i9 won't be out until at least Q4 2010, and the 6 core intel i9's don't come out until Q1 2010, and by then all the LGA1366 boards will have risen in price because LGA1366 will have moved to the enthusiast market (since the i9's are rumored to either be very expensive starting at >$600, or be EE CPU's and starting at $999.)
 
I think I read some not so good reviews on the X58m, but I can't remember the specifics. If you're just playing games then save your cash and get the Phenom II, but I think you should carefully consider both the X3 720 and the X4 810. They are very close in performance in games but the 720 can often just outpace the 810 with one less core because it has a full 6MB L3 cache whereas the 810 has a reduced L3 cache at 4MB.
 
i got the case and i say it is kickass, with things like a door on the backplate for the mobo so you can install GIANT coolers w/o removing the mobo from the case is great. Drive bay placement is kinda crappy but they are uber for airflow (you want to have some cabling skills, some, not a whole lot). ONLY downside is that its a full tower case and I can't put my feet up on it like a mid tower, but most people seems to think that is bad for the computer or something, so that may not be an issue for you (if it is, maybe the 922 Mid tower is a nicer choice, but lesser room may be lesser good, esp to airflow if you got more stuff in there)

consider picking up a nice cooler, like the thermal right ultra 120 extrme (TRUE) or a core contact freezer or if you want nice colours and beauty rather than rock solid performance get some zalaman, they perform far better than the stock of anything (lesser than the other high end expensive stuff like the TRUE or CCF), and looks nice if you do get a Haf 932 since its got a window there (my TRUE looks like a huge block of metal on there, a nice zalaman would make that thing look far more pretty and may help me pick up chicks 😀)

the 2gb 4890 is kinda gimmicky imo, 1 GB is good enough, or else go up the scale and get some CF/ SLI setup (nvidia stuff commands a price premium, and they are great at the highest end, but maybe not here) , but that may mean i7 becoming a better choice.

DDR3 is the future, may as well get that and if you want to upgrade/replace in a few years it would be easier to find. If it isn't too expensive tho, the prices of the ram it self should be the same, but mobowise, I have no clue

that PSU should be nice for this system.
 
mobo wise is almost no difference considering ddr3 and ddr2. Thanks for your advice i will keep it in mind.

NOES I ASLWAYS SIT WITH MY FEET ON MY COMPUTER!

Idea. i put my haf932 somewhere else and have my oldcase where it is now as foot stall =D
 
lol that may be good idea for me as well, although my under deskspace may just get even smaller....

O and one more thing, mobo with DDR3 may have more future upgradibility, as the DDR2/DDR3 support of now may very well be DDR3/DDR4 in the future (far future), and thus DDR3 may be a safer bet if you want to upgrade with drop in replacement (but whos to say that they produce AM3+ or AM4 that works with AM3?)
 


Looks like a sweet deal.

If you wish to do some serious overclocking you may want to purchase some MOSFET cooling (the mounting holes are already on the mobo)
 
that list looks nice, and you should maybe consider an aftermarket cooler that fits your mobo if you plan to OC or want a lower noise system. For that you need to talk with someone whom has the mobo to see what fits and what won't (and what fits that blocks ram or other things so you need to have some things in first)


and yes the prices seems high, but only from my NA view that is lol....
 
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