Intel Prototypes New Cooler for Gulftown CPU

[christop]

How much more is this going to add to the price??????? I don't use anything stock unless its for a customer who only surfs the web....

 

[anamaniac]

Well, look at the stock i7 HSF. It's a bigass peice of aluminium,and machining it likely isn't too cheap.
This seems like it would have reduced material cost, but increased production cost...

All in all, I honestly doubt the cost is a important factor.
Looks pretty cool to me though.

 

[buwish]

Compared to the usual Intel fans/heatsinks, I'd take that beast any day, regardless of the CPU involved.

 

[apache_lives]

Hmmmmm so what exactly is wrong with the push pins? they work 100% and catch out noobs every time because THEY DONT LOOK AT THE INSTALLATION INSTRUCTIONS.

That HSF is for Intel Extreme Edition 6 core chips (the first of the 6 core chips for desktop intel is releasing) - EE's are for overclocking, and they gave this baby a nice high end cooler to match - whats wrong with that? If you look at any leaked assessments of the chip you will see some have overclocked that 32nm 6 core CPU to ~4.5ghz on AIR, if anything the 6 core 32nm chips consume/output as much heat/power as a 45nm quad i7, which if you take a look is about the same as a Prescott @ ~3.8 or a Pentium D (65nm) ~3.6 but performing alot better (more cores cache, IMC, higher IPC etc).

As for cost - it would be apart of that ~$1000 premium price for the package so nothing to worry about there.

 

[apache_lives]

[citation][nom]christop[/nom]How much more is this going to add to the price??????? I don't use anything stock unless its for a customer who only surfs the web....[/citation]

So you waste $$$ every time you build rigs because you dont want to use stock cooling which is perfect for stock clock speeds?

 

[apache_lives]

[citation][nom]extreme-pcs[/nom]Good bye and good riddance to the damn push pins. One of the worst HSF retention mechanisms of all time![/citation]

So worse then AMD Socket 462 (Socket A) clips that broke and burnt chips to death? The Intel spiral coolers are a good design (cools everything from VRM area to chipset) and a nightmare for amateurs to fit - only noobs complain about them and have any issues because people dont check out the instructions.

 

[apache_lives]

[citation][nom]doomtomb[/nom]This has been necessary for some time now. Ever since the first quads, the stock intel cooler has become insufficient at cooling the CPU and renders overclocking virtually impossible. Nehalems have higher thermals than Core 2 Quads and I only expect the thermals to continue to go up but better smaller manufacturing processes (32nm) and lower voltages will curb this trend slightly. I'm not worried, my watercooling performs well.[/citation]

100% BS, any Q6600 below 1.45v (stock voltage should work even depending on core revision - G0 etc) will clock to 3ghz (3000/1333) with stock cooling instantly converting them to a QX6850 all on stock.

Perhaps you too should read how to mount the stock Intel HSF correctly by referring to the instructions and perhaps also checking what the Intel processor boxes say - "TO BE INSTALLED BY A PROFESSIONAL" - obviously NOT you.

 

[Pei-chen]

[citation][nom]doomtomb[/nom]This has been necessary for some time now. Ever since the first quads, the stock Intel cooler has become insufficient at cooling the CPU and renders overclocking virtually impossible. Nehalems have higher thermals than Core 2 Quads and I only expect the thermals to continue to go up but better smaller manufacturing processes (32nm) and lower voltages will curb this trend slightly. I'm not worried, my watercooling performs well.[/citation]
Overclocking wasn’t the selling point of older chips so of course they aren’t going to include a powerful heatsink.

apache_lives pretty much gets it right. Some of the fanboy noobish talk is just baseless non-sense.

AMD & Intel’s stock cooler are good for the job at cooling CPU at stock speed. If you want to OC or demand even lower noise, get a decent aftermarket cooler. This is only a prototype but it seems that some engineer at Intel want to limit/lower the max acoustic coming out of a stock heatsink. (Remember, heatsink effectiveness is often a function of air flow. An i7 heatsink can cool a much hotter CPU at the expense of noise). This is a welcoming progression and hopefully AMD will follow at least on the graphic side. (Face it, ATI coolers are louder than Nvidia coolers. I owned 2 Nvidia and 3 ATI over the last 3 years so I know)

 

[eccentric909]

[citation][nom]apache_lives[/nom]So worse then AMD Socket 462 (Socket A) clips that broke and burnt chips to death? The Intel spiral coolers are a good design (cools everything from VRM area to chipset) and a nightmare for amateurs to fit - only noobs complain about them and have any issues because people dont check out the instructions.[/citation]

My gosh, I hated Socket A fans and clips. They were just a pain in the butt to install, plus you had to cross your fingers you didn't snap the damn clips as you tried to manuever them into place.

Thanks for reminding me about how painful they were to install and I built a lot of Socket A systems! lol I'll take the newer designs from AMD or Intel anyday over those.

 

[eccentric909]

[citation][nom]Pei-chen[/nom](Face it, ATI coolers are louder than Nvidia coolers. I owned 2 Nvidia and 3 ATI over the last 3 years so I know)[/citation]

You think so? My Radeon 4850 is quite a bit quieter than my 8800GT was. My son's Radeon 4830 is much quieter than my girlfriends 9600GT. Now, the old Radeon x1950 Pro we still use as a backup card in case we have a card die out, was incredibly loud, jet engine loud. However, fan noise from the newer batch of ATI and Nvidia have all favored ATI, in my opinion. Though, not all ATI and Nvidia cards use the same fans between manufacturers, so everyone's mileage probably varies.

 

[jcwbnimble]

From the showing the cooler in action inside a case, it looks like Intel will only include this cooler for Extreme Edition CPUs. This makes sense from Intel's point of view. The extreme editions are meant to be overclocked, as witnessed by the unlocked multiplier, and should have had beefed up cooling solutions all along.

I think the least Intel can do is offer a decent cooler for spending $1000 on one of their CPUs.

 

[Guest]

I wonder why they don't sink the fan a little lower into the heatsink.
There's still a lot of air escaping a fan's side. By having a fan halfway surrounded by the heat sink, the design would work more optimized!

 

[apache_lives]

[citation][nom]Eccentric909[/nom]My gosh, I hated Socket A fans and clips. They were just a pain in the butt to install, plus you had to cross your fingers you didn't snap the damn clips as you tried to manuever them into place.Thanks for reminding me about how painful they were to install and I built a lot of Socket A systems! lol I'll take the newer designs from AMD or Intel anyday over those.[/citation]

Yeah i used to sell Socket A combo's (CPU + Mobo) and people used to fit the cpu hsf the wrong way around killing the thing (50% contact to CPU), or break the pins, not seat the HSF at all or chip the raw cpu die - all because they didnt want to pay a small assembly fee.

 

[apache_lives]

[citation][nom]ProDigit80[/nom]I wonder why they don't sink the fan a little lower into the heatsink.There's still a lot of air escaping a fan's side. By having a fan halfway surrounded by the heat sink, the design would work more optimized![/citation]

I was thinking that considering once there's a layer of dust no air will go through the HSF

 

[apache_lives]

[citation][nom]Eccentric909[/nom]You think so? My Radeon 4850 is quite a bit quieter than my 8800GT was. My son's Radeon 4830 is much quieter than my girlfriends 9600GT. Now, the old Radeon x1950 Pro we still use as a backup card in case we have a card die out, was incredibly loud, jet engine loud. However, fan noise from the newer batch of ATI and Nvidia have all favored ATI, in my opinion. Though, not all ATI and Nvidia cards use the same fans between manufacturers, so everyone's mileage probably varies.[/citation]

Anyone remember the Nvidia Geforce FX5800 Ultra Dust Buster?

 

[apache_lives]

[citation][nom]Pei-chen[/nom]Overclocking wasn’t the selling point of older chips so of course they aren’t going to include a powerful heatsink. apache_lives pretty much gets it right. Some of the fanboy noobish talk is just baseless non-sense.AMD & Intel’s stock cooler are good for the job at cooling CPU at stock speed. If you want to OC or demand even lower noise, get a decent aftermarket cooler. This is only a prototype but it seems that some engineer at Intel want to limit/lower the max acoustic coming out of a stock heatsink. (Remember, heatsink effectiveness is often a function of air flow. An i7 heatsink can cool a much hotter CPU at the expense of noise). This is a welcoming progression and hopefully AMD will follow at least on the graphic side. (Face it, ATI coolers are louder than Nvidia coolers. I owned 2 Nvidia and 3 ATI over the last 3 years so I know)[/citation]

Intel and AMD more then likely design there HSF's to cool there chips with minimal headroom, limiting overclocking

 

[neiroatopelcc]

[citation][nom]apache_lives[/nom]Yeah i used to sell Socket A combo's (CPU + Mobo) and people used to fit the cpu hsf the wrong way around killing the thing (50% contact to CPU), or break the pins, not seat the HSF at all or chip the raw cpu die - all because they didnt want to pay a small assembly fee.[/citation]
Did that really happen so often? I've only fried two chips, one because the clip broke under transport, and one because a customer nicked the cooler. Most of the old socket a parts could endure over 100C, and seating the chips wrong surely did increase heat, but I'm not aware of a single chip dying that way. I had an athlon MP up over 110C and while being unstable it didn't break. Most socket a systems I've had to deal with had instable motherboards over time, not a fried cpu due to poor installation.

[citation][nom]apache_lives[/nom]100% BS, any Q6600 below 1.45v (stock voltage should work even depending on core revision - G0 etc) will clock to 3ghz (3000/1333) with stock cooling instantly converting them to a QX6850 all on stock.Perhaps you too should read how to mount the stock Intel HSF correctly by referring to the instructions and perhaps also checking what the Intel processor boxes say - "TO BE INSTALLED BY A PROFESSIONAL" - obviously NOT you.[citation][nom]apache_lives[/nom]So you waste $$$ every time you build rigs because you dont want to use stock cooling which is perfect for stock clock speeds?[/citation]
Less noise is never a wasted investment.[/citation]
I think you assume all computers are running in airconditioned rooms?
If you use a computer in ughanda it won't oc to 3ghz on stock cooling. If you live anywhere in europe in the summer period you'll risk running into stability issues running on stock cooling with that q66 part as well. It'll work, but when the ambient temperature exceeds 30C it won't be sufficient. Intel designs their coolers to work in most enviroments, and therefore don't assume that all rooms they run in have a temperature of just 22C.
[citation][nom]apache_lives[/nom]So you waste $$$ every time you build rigs because you dont want to use stock cooling which is perfect for stock clock speeds?[/citation]
Less noise is never a wasted investment.

 

[apache_lives]

neiroatopelcc i live in an area where people are too stupid with computers and i always get the "my mate can build computers" crap - trust me they break stuff all the time and expect some sort of magical warranty to cover it (eg the new one is the LGA775 pins all bent - NO WARRANTY)

less noise - same deal, my customers dont want to invest $$$ in anything extra, they prefer spending $10 less for crappy generic PSU's then branded (300w branded vs 500w generic aka what we call "500 what?"), so the PSU's end up making the most noise, but obviously there are exceptions where you want less noise, even tthough they are pretty silent under most conditions, even an Australian summer - yes it gets pretty hot here too, and we see beyond 30*c ambient also.

For 99% of people the stock coolers are great.

Intel processors btw should not run into stability issues reguarding heat as they throttle etc - stock cooling should also cover this and not be any hassles with the right case/ventilation, and under worst circumstances should just cut out - check out the details on goggle.

 

[neiroatopelcc]

[citation][nom]apache_lives[/nom]neiroatopelcc i live in an area where people are too stupid with computers and i always get the "my mate can build computers" crap - trust me they break stuff all the time and expect some sort of magical warranty to cover it (eg the new one is the LGA775 pins all bent - NO WARRANTY)[/citation]
I suppose there are a lot of stupid people in your area. They may be here too, but they're not foolish enough to ask me to fix their problems then! I don't recall the last time someone broke a computer during assembly. Been thinking for a minute or two about it. I can remember times where hardware was dead on arrival, but I can't recall the last time something got broken during assembly. Well, apart from me breaking a sata power cable a few years back by squeezing the drive in place in a crammed antec sonata chassis (the piano black one, not the ugly white thing).

[citation][nom]apache_lives[/nom]For 99% of people the stock coolers are great.[/citation]
If we assume you mean 99% of your customers, fine. But 99% of people? no! First of all, guesstimate that half of the world is buying oem systems, and I'm not aware of a single of those vendors using the stock cooler ine first place (they use tray cpus and supply their own coolers). The other half is made up of computers built by people like you, who provide low cost generic systems for people who don't know what they want and can't afford to just buy whatever lenovo or hp system best buy offers this week, or people like me who build quality computers on the cheap for people. I almost never use the stock cooler (except if it's real quality, like those supplied with opterons back in 2006). So unless 'my part' of what's left amounts to less than 1% (remember there are enthusiast non-builders and audiophiles who use computers too), you're right. But I don't think that to be the case.
[citation][nom]apache_lives[/nom]Intel processors btw should not run into stability issues reguarding heat as they throttle etc - stock cooling should also cover this and not be any hassles with the right case/ventilation, and under worst circumstances should just cut out - check out the details on goggle.[/citation]
After intel invented throttling, amd copied that idea - so athlon 64 doesn't break either - they merely crash - like the pentium 4 they copied. Your point?

 

[apache_lives]

Yes 99% of my customers (in my rather wide area) use stock, im well known - i have even had Dell and Telstra have people refer to me, and yes 99% of people use stock cooling, and that other 1% consists of people who dont mount the coolers properly and think 90*c is normal for a stock cooler and get an after market cooler and yes also the rare oc'ers and silent freaks.

Yes people break stuff all the time - DOA is rare for us, but people breaking ram, blowing up generic PSU's, bowing video cards, bending pins etc - we see it all the time, nothing new.

 

[neiroatopelcc]

I wonder if you're ignorant or just biased!

 

[apache_lives]

about what?

 

[Shadow703793]

[citation][nom]apache_lives[/nom]"four copper heatpipes." ??? - that looks more like 8[/citation]
It's 4 individual heat pipes that were bent to create 8. 😉

 

[Guest]

Those AMD Socket A ones were a pain (1st time I started building custom ones), always was scared my screwdriver would slip and I'd break the MB.
I built my own C2Q last year and bought that Xigmatek HDT-S1283, I had to wait because I couldn't put it on because of my MB and the NB heatsinks I had (and have a slight problem with my hands at times). Also since I could only put the fan one way pointing up because of the NB. So I bought a (ThermalRight ?) back-plate retention bracket with real screws, man that was really, really nice. I still hate the stock Intel 775 push pins the most. Right now with Everest Ult. it shows my stock Q6600 ranging from 22-24 Celsius with room temp at 70.5 Fahrenheit (Firefox 20 windows with 75 tabs, 2 Thunderbird windows, 15 other progs in SysTray Icons.

Two days ago was helping out a friend putting his RMA'd 775 Gigabyte RMA'd MB back in (he has major problems with his hands). One of the push pins would not go in no matter what I did (yes I've read the instructions and done it other times). Was late and I had to go home. So I said I'd go to Micro Center and get a $10 HSF for the push-pins or use it if it was actually better than the stock Intel one. Then we decided to just get a tower one and found one at MC for $33 on sale (SilenX iXtrema IXC-120HA2). I also bought the Xigmatek Crossbow Retention Bracket for 4 heatpipes ($13), but thankfully didn't need it. I think the stock one for the Q6600 is fine, even for light OC'ing if you have AC and use it all the time. But like others have said other people don't use AC or not that often and an aftermarket one does wonders. I plan on keeping my setup until it dies, I'll turn it into a media PC. So why not have the CPU be as low as possible and have a better chance of lasting longer and I can OC if I want. I wish that Abit uGuru worked better and that they released it OpenSource so it could still be worked on, because that was nice but didn't play well with my graphics OC'ing software, or other way around.

 

[apache_lives]

I build atleast ~10 a day (and service/clean around that too) and have NEVER had an issue with the Intel stock hsf's with push pins.