Intel regains crown

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dudes you forgot something i heard a long time ago that if you oc an amd proc it will lose some memory performance because of the integrated memory controller i dont know if its true i'll go ask mike
Lol, yeah let's ask mike for a TOTALLY unbiased opinion.
I mean, seriously...
 

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So you want to tell us that by overclocking the FX chip, Intel made it lose like 1000000% of performance?
That´s so pathetic, it´s not even funny >_>
 

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chill people

conroes ahead, AMD took out the P4, P4 took out the Athlon XP, P3 Tualatin Took out the Athlon (AND P4 :D ) - LEAP FROG

Just curious, I don't keep up with all this. Which P4 took out the Athlon XP? This is not a flame or anything, I REALLY just want to know.
 

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chill people

conroes ahead, AMD took out the P4, P4 took out the Athlon XP, P3 Tualatin Took out the Athlon (AND P4 :D ) - LEAP FROG

Just curious, I don't keep up with all this. Which P4 took out the Athlon XP? This is not a flame or anything, I REALLY just want to know.Northwood.
 

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i think the point of that article was not to compare processors but to let ppl know what to expect from conroe. We will have to wait till AMD next gen processors to determine who is real king. but the results look very promising from intel. Maybe i should wait a while before making my rig.
 
chill people

conroes ahead, AMD took out the P4, P4 took out the Athlon XP, P3 Tualatin Took out the Athlon (AND P4 :D ) - LEAP FROG

Just curious, I don't keep up with all this. Which P4 took out the Athlon XP? This is not a flame or anything, I REALLY just want to know.Northwood.

northwood a was meh (perhaps amds naming scheme put them infront), the northwood B was with amd perfectly and the northwood c totally took over (P4 2.4c vs AMD A XP3200 in some benchmarks)

dvd piddy:
dudes you forgot something i heard a long time ago that if you oc an amd proc it will lose some memory performance because of the integrated memory controller i dont know if its true i'll go ask mike

the FX's are unlocked so it shouldnt loose mem performance when raised (same diffrence between multipliers on slower chips) - i cant fully vouch for performance loss tho... but it wouldnt be great anyhow.
 

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dude i asked mike and he said no but when i oced my athlon xp 3200 now to 2.4 ghz it got worse scores in 3dmark 05 my score was before oc 3500 after oc 3400 the ram timings were screwed up instead if 2.5,3,3,8 it was 3,3,3,10 heres the ram my multiplier was the standard k7 multiplier at 11x so 11 x 218 = 2398 so 2400 so yeah theres is a slight performance loss
 
dude i asked mike and he said no but when i oced my athlon xp 3200 now to 2.4 ghz it got worse scores in 3dmark 05 my score was before oc 3500 after oc 3400 the ram timings were screwed up instead if 2.5,3,3,8 it was 3,3,3,10 heres the ram my multiplier was the standard k7 multiplier at 11x so 11 x 218 = 2398 so 2400 so yeah theres is a slight performance loss

As with all cpus and overclocking ram comes into play - ddr400 wont reach speed inscreases like the FSB so you have to run it in a slower ratio (out of sync) and theres where performance gets lost.

My P4 with crap ram (well not crap but i need DDR500) clocks to 3000 and i loose out on ram, instead of 400mhz its now 384mhz ('166' ratio) so ram is stable.

I think thats what ur refering to, and the overclocked FX60 overclocks thanks to its unlocked multiplier so it doesnt get the same issue.
 

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Well, first of all, the first number in the timings have to do with latency, the third number is cycle time-tras. Those two are more or less the ones responsible for bandwidth. You didn't even adjust the third number at all and by decreasing the latency, I doubt you would see a big difference.

I'm going to run my own tests here tonight with relaxed and tighter timings to prove a point. Anandtech said that the RAM timings used in the tests showed that they were pretty much equal.

I can remember very many threads that flame Toms for using DDR2-667 in their tests with the new AM2 socket stating it wouldn't show any improvement. Naturally, Intel uses the same RAM and all the AMD fans cry foul.

Now, isn't that a coincidence?

I'll reveal my test results with the different timings later. Stay tuned as obviously, this chapter is a long one ...
 

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dude what if they did the test with with good ol ddr400 to be on an even more level playing feild and luminaris i'm gonna go test my p3 right now be back in half an hour
 

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Well, if your referring to the AMD/Intel fiasco, the Intel probablay doesn't support DDR400 as a standard so they used DDR2-667.

Like I said, there are many threads here with endless posts stating the DDR2-667 used in the AM2 tests, would not have shown much improvement. The state that if they had used DDR2-800, we would've seen a big improvement.
 

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Because these guys know what the deal is. People just can't accept the facts and move on. Instead, they just sit here like crackheads and believe what they want and preach useless BS and believe they're right about everything.
 

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ok dude im testing my p3 right now and guess what i found out that if i oc it from 1.4ghz to 1.5ghz the fps on cod2 drop from 30 at best to 25 using my radeon 9600 ok dude be back in a few gotta do one more test
 

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P4's architecture aint stupid it took on the K7 with ease but the K8 was designed to beat it and it did the same as conroe beats the K8, and was about time it was replaced.

Conroes cache is 1x4mb shared not 2x4mb and cache doesnt matter as much depending on architecture, ram speed/location and FSB, twice the cache might translate into 10% performance at best depending on original size.

Conroe is P6 based (pentium pro -> P2 -> P3 -> pm).

And yes take your BS elsewhere and do some research, and look at the old northwood c take on a prescott with twice the cache and the same clock speeds - northwood wins!!! explain that.

Why are you trying to defend one of the worst processor architectures in the world? (You know which one I'm talking about :wink:)
Everyone in the tech industry scorn this processor. It sucks at IPC, it's NOT scalable (and don't tell me it is because I'll flood you with a ton of links), HyperThreading was a hack for the processor to not be iddle 95% of the time and its power consumption is horrible.

The reason why Northwodd performed better than the Athlon XP was because of the 800MHz FSB. AMD could've done this if they wanted, but the Clawhamer core (Or K8 )was going to launch 1 year later.

Keep trying. :wink:
 

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dude i dont have a camera with me im doin this on my other monitor and now i ran maxpayne and got the same result the fps dropped from 35 to 34 with no high no nothin just the game settings at stock but i am more amazed that my p3 can still run thses games above 30 on an agp 4x mobo and 256 mb sdr ram pc 133
 

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Dude, do you realize who your talking to? Your asking a man who can go from 0 to 2000 posts in three days to stop posting?

That's like being in room with 10 hot and horny women who have been watching porn for two weeks and yet, your not allowed to touch em.

Now here's a challenge, if DVD loves his AMD so much, he'll stop posting for the rest of this weekend. If he posts, that means he absolutely and positively loves Intel.

Reminds me of the one episode of Seinfeld about the bet. First one to refrain from having sex the longest wins. This should be interesting ....
 

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