Intel regains crown

[dvdpiddy]

ok luminaris your'e on no posting for saturday eastern time you live on the east coast so you should monitor this little bet and if i win i want you to admit that intel sucked with net burst

 

[dvdpiddy]

Dude, do you realize who your talking to? Your asking a man who can go from 0 to 2000 posts in three days to stop posting?

and luminaris it was 400 posts in 3 days and 250 in my first day

 

[apache_lives]

ok dude im testing my p3 right now and guess what i found out that if i oc it from 1.4ghz to 1.5ghz the fps on cod2 drop from 30 at best to 25 using my radeon 9600 ok dude be back in a few gotta do one more test

most boards doing that will drop the ram from 133 sync to 100mhz ratio so it will kill performance there, where as the FX60 is unlocked and fsb and others aint touched and besides - the numbers can be compared with the FX60 and overclocking.

 

[TabrisDarkPeace]

Any true AMD fanboy would know that overclocking the FX-60 to FX-62 speeds (from 2.6. to 2.8.) the way they did would not have affected memory performance.

In fact the RAM was still at 400 MHz with excellent timings being used. When they move to DDR2 expect performance at the same CPU clock speed to pretty much remain where it is.


Anyway, if people need to buy AMD systems with Socket AM2 + DDR2-800 for good performance, then the Conroe using only DDR2-667 will be far more cost effective as the memory will be cheaper to get and performance will still be better.

 

[Corasik]

The test was stupid. They tested current gen AMD to a next gen Intel. Where's the comparison? It's unfair. But Intel is making huge improvements, which is good.

You could equally say that any comparison between AMD64, and Intel P4 is the same. P4's were designed before the Athlon XP's. The differences between Willimotte's, Northwoods, and Prescotts have mostly been about die shrinking, and manufacturing process.

Yes, Conroe is next gen, but amd released their next gen 2 years ago.

 

[apache_lives]

generations arnt the same as the bad old days (286 vs 386 vs 486 vs 586 vs 686 etc).

conroe is a late 8th gen but it was designed to take on K8 and wins because hey - it is 2 years after.

Id so laugh if Intel realises the P4/netburst design was the best afterall and redesigned it like conroe and made a real 10ghz multi core giant... only time will tell...

 

[Ycon]

AM2 isnt a new architecture.
The architecture has been the same since the original Athlon.

 

[shinigamiX]

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Oh yea, on topic:
Conroe r0x0rz! AMD sux0rz! No, wait...
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Conroe r0x0rz AMD's b0x0rz!
Don't really remember how it goes...

 

[silenkiller]

How hot are the new intel cpu's going to run? I dont want to be able to fry an egg on it like my current p4..

 

[apache_lives]

How hot are the new intel cpu's going to run? I dont want to be able to fry an egg on it like my current p4..

i believe it was 65w for the 2.66ghz model which takes out AMD's 2.8ghz 115w AM2 model.

 

[linux_0]

AMD cant put more Cache in their processor cause they architecture would respond with performance penalties (whos got the stupid architecture now?).

More Cache and done... *roflz*
Then anyone could that Intel should put the Memory Controller inside the CPU and theyll be ahead forever (which kind of probably would be the case).

This is absolutely utterly FALSE and INCORRECT SIR!

AMD could put 16MB of Cache on their dies if they wanted to.

They just licensed zRAM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZRAM

So they can achieve better density with larger caches

The AMD64 Architecture is vastly superior to the P4 and P4 Xeon architecture.

The main reason they are not using larger caches is cost and the large amount of die "realestate" normal SRAM caches take up.

On some CPUs the cache takes up 50% or MORE of the total die area which cuts into the crucial yield of dies / wafer. The more cache you add the lower your yield is going to be.

Also on die SRAM caches are not always produced flawlessly and oftentimes cache blocks have to be disabled. The bigger the cache the more likely it is blocks will have to be wasted.

 

[linux_0]

AM2 isnt a new architecture.
The architecture has been the same since the original Athlon.

If the architecture was exactly the same, P4 would wipe the floor with the A64. AMD abviously made improvements to the architecture, which doesn't make it the same.

Absolutely RIGHT!!! :trophy: :trophy:

The K8 is different from the K7.

Not to mention that alot more technological changes are in store for the AMD64 architecture, such as DDR3 and DDR4, HyperTransport 3.0, 4.0, Z-RAM, etc. etc. These are also not coming in 2-3 years, but rather in less than 18 months.

With socket 1207 AMD will be able to easily add Quad Channel RAM or Dual Memory Controllers for Dual-Core CPU's so:

You have 1 PHY CPU

2 cores

2 on board memory controllers

2xDual Channel RAM -- 2 stix / Core -- 4 stix total for TWICE the memory bandwidth!

In a 2way Dual Core SMP Opteron 1207 you would QUADRUPLE your memory bandwidth = 51.2GB/s MAX Theoretical Memory Bandwidth

In a 4way Dual Core SMP Opteron 1207 you would have 8 TIMES the bandwidth = 102.4GB/s MAX Theoretical Memory Bandwidth

in an 8way Dual Core SMP Opteron 1207 you would have 16 TIMES the bandwidth = 204.8GB/s MAX Theoretical Memory Bandwidth

It scales very well.

 

[YO_KID37]

I Know that, Conroe will only hold their lead when they use Windows XP or less. But When Vista Comes Out These Performance Gains are going to go out the Windows,. And Amybe AMD Might too. And that'll just prove that AMD and Conroe either the Mid-range or the Higher clocked one Exactly the same as FX-60 or FX-62 and Maybe even AM2. I'm pretty sure that Vista will suck out most of those 20-25% gains shown by the Beta CPU and its CHips. U guys seen the Minimum_requirements for Vista rii. no matter what the DDR or DDR2 or DDR3 Vista will suck it dry. and it'll run like a Fat man, running for a KFC delivery truck.

 

[linux_0]

I Know that, Conroe will only hold their lead when they use Windows XP or less. But When Vista Comes Out These Performance Gains are going to go out the Windows,. And Amybe AMD Might too. And that'll just prove that AMD and Conroe either the Mid-range or the Higher clocked one Exactly the same as FX-60 or FX-62 and Maybe even AM2. I'm pretty sure that Vista will suck out most of those 20-25% gains shown by the Beta CPU and its CHips. U guys seen the Minimum_requirements for Vista rii. no matter what the DDR or DDR2 or DDR3 Vista will suck it dry. and it'll run like a Fat man, running for a KFC delivery truck.

Well put :-D

Vista is going to take the Conroe and make it run like a 386SX-25.

 

[MadModMike]

I Know that, Conroe will only hold their lead when they use Windows XP or less. But When Vista Comes Out These Performance Gains are going to go out the Windows,. And Amybe AMD Might too. And that'll just prove that AMD and Conroe either the Mid-range or the Higher clocked one Exactly the same as FX-60 or FX-62 and Maybe even AM2. I'm pretty sure that Vista will suck out most of those 20-25% gains shown by the Beta CPU and its CHips. U guys seen the Minimum_requirements for Vista rii. no matter what the DDR or DDR2 or DDR3 Vista will suck it dry. and it'll run like a Fat man, running for a KFC delivery truck.

Dude, I want a KFC truck!

Yea, Vista is gonna rape alive computers, better get a Dual Opteron 64 w/ 64GB of RAM, Vista's gonna take 90GB of it.

~~Mad Mod Mike, pimpin' the world 1 rig at a time

 

[dvdpiddy]

Dude, do you realize who your talking to? Your asking a man who can go from 0 to 2000 posts in three days to stop posting?

That's like being in room with 10 hot and horny women who have been watching porn for two weeks and yet, your not allowed to touch em.

Now here's a challenge, if DVD loves his AMD so much, he'll stop posting for the rest of this weekend. If he posts, that means he absolutely and positively loves Intel.

Reminds me of the one episode of Seinfeld about the bet. First one to refrain from having sex the longest wins. This should be interesting ....

ok luminaris i havent posted for saturday and sunday so i win now you have to admit that prescott was a failure :tongue:

 

[luminaris]

Be sure to check out the new thread titled dvdpiddy challenge

 

[RichPLS]

I think you created another dummy account. Busted

 

[luminaris]

Yeah I agree. I wish Intel would've displayed the temps during their recent tests at the IDF. I realize the performance benchmarks are very important but to me, the temps are too.

 

[seanx]

I prefer to use/buy the chip which is faster at the time , the only sensible way lol ,
One thing to consider at least intel is meeting amd on the own ground = technical advancement , and not the slimey
business method = drop all prices of top cpus' for 2 / 3 years to drive competition out of business.
this business sceme we have all noted in the past in huge company vs small company.

All in all fair technical competition is wot we all want , benefits us all !
btw as a furture amd user doen't any1 think that a fx57 would've been a faster comparison in gaming ?!