Intel regains crown

[luminaris]

Well, first of all, AMD is rather limited as they are still using the 90nm technology. You can only squeeze so much performance. I don't see them going over 3.0Ghz and as far as i'm concerned, they're pretty much at their peak. The only way they can really go is 65nm.

Now, let's talk about the these tests today. With Intel having at least a 40% gain in performance means, AMD will have to pump out another 41% to level the playing field once conroe hits the streets. I for one, do not see that happening especially with old technology.

We also have to take into consideration the overclocking capability. If conroe can have that much performance margin at stock speeds, imagine it being overclocked.

I know its hard to swallow the fact that AMD will more than likely hand over the crown to Intel as, I love AMD as much as the next guy. Its only the beginning of some serious competition between the two which is what we want. Now that AMD is going to more or less concentrate on the commercial side of things as suggested by Hector Ruiz, there's no telling where they're headed at this point.

 

[teh_squaterer]

Another crappy benchmark comparison test. They should've tested it against one of Intel's higher performing models, certainly not against a 939 A64! But again that wouldn't have helped. Does AMD EVER release their line-up of new generation chips before Intel? By releasing late is AMD just creating more anticipation amongst the enthusiast community?

Yeah AMD has always had more of a "wait and then respond" approach. Whatever you may think about that, Intel is probably going to be depending upon the Core architecture for several years. If AMD manages to release a higher performing processor early enough in Conroe/Merom/Woodcrest's lifespan then we'll be looking at another netburst Vs. A64 type scenario.

If you remember the P4 was intel's answer to the Athlon which, up to that point, was dominating performance-wise vs. the P3. Then comes "Hammer" which was IMO a fundamentally better architecture, which arrived so early in the P4's lifespan that intel's hope for an answer to it was years away.

Of course if AMD can't answer Conroe then things look rather grim. This is all speculation though, since we don't know what Conroe's performance will be in production models or how well AM2 is going to compete upon launch.
I think it's going to take AMD longer to respond to Conroe than it did for them to respond to Netburst... from the way things are looking right now, it seems like that. I may be wrong though (and in fact I probably am, because I didn't really get into computers until right around when AMD64 technology was coming out.)

 

[Viperabyss]

finally a benchmark! wow.. it takes this long for intel fanboyz to come up with this benchmark.

well as an AMD lover i must say i'm really impressed with how Conroe did. it really exceeds almost everyone's expectations. a 40% increase is really a huge improvement for intel, considering how it almost completely failed its p4 prescotts. i want to say, "good job" to intel, for coming up with this wonderful chip, and we shall see its real performance after all the benchmarks for Conroe had completed.

but i just want to say that, just like how intel proved amd fanboyz wrong, AMD may also prove intel fanboyz wrong. the AM2 benchmarks clearly showed bugs within the memory controllers. who can say that AM2 will still perform the same with 939 after amd fixes these bugs?

"AMD has better architecture, INTEL has better marketing"

 

[teh_squaterer]

finally a benchmark! wow.. it takes this long for intel fanboyz to come up with this benchmark.

well as an AMD lover i must say i'm really impressed with how Conroe did. it really exceeds almost everyone's expectations. a 40% increase is really a huge improvement for intel, considering how it almost completely failed its p4 prescotts. i want to say, "good job" to intel, for coming up with this wonderful chip, and we shall see its real performance after all the benchmarks for Conroe had completed.

but i just want to say that, just like how intel proved amd fanboyz wrong, AMD may also prove intel fanboyz wrong. the AM2 benchmarks clearly showed bugs within the memory controllers. who can say that AM2 will still perform the same with 939 after amd fixes these bugs?

"AMD has better architecture, INTEL has better marketing"

If those tests prove to be correct when companies get the chips for themselves, Intel will have both superior architecture and marketing. No, I am not an Intel fanboy, I am about to get a rig with an Opteron 165.

 

[qurious69ss]

I work in a flash fab as an equipment engineer for Kokusai. My degree is in mechanical engineering so I'm not into computers as much as you guys. It's funny how you guys get so emotionally attached to these companies, I mean I have a reason to hope that conroe does well, but you guy I don't get.

average fanboy defense.. rated 6/10 nice try lol jkjkjkjkjk

For some people, it's a hobby. Others take it as some thing just nesessary for work and nothing more and there are others who are extreme hardcore and live and breath computers. I personally like it as a hobby and am an enthusiast or try to be.

Fanboy defense. Well I guess I have to pull for intel since they do sign my paycheck. Hey what can I say... I love my job. I'm just trying to understand the hype...

 

[ak47is1337]

Hey!! Intel CPUs have a low C/P value and at one stage they sucked in performance but so did AMD prior to their K7 and following successes with A64s.
It doesnt mean they are stupids though, obviously the new generation chips are suppose to perform better than previous chips. I think Intel engineers would still like to keep their jobs...........
I thinks it just good competition between Intel and AMD and the bottom line is going to their C/P value.
I know I am not prepare to pay $200 USD more for a cpu that's going to be 20 seconds quicker.

So C/P value........... Intel, stop being so greedy and people will come your way. Your CPUs are good, but not that good!!!!!!!!!

That chip (2.66 Conroe) is going to be released at ~$500. The FX's which it outperforms will be ~$1000.

 

[alphakp295]

a quick thought...
what happened to the CELL chip :roll:
cell might kill both am2 and conroe
ha.ha.ha....
ibm will take the crown one day...
ha.ha.ha....
and i'll be stuck w/ this x2...
but i'm happy with it...
😀

 

[ak47is1337]

finally a benchmark! wow.. it takes this long for intel fanboyz to come up with this benchmark.

well as an AMD lover i must say i'm really impressed with how Conroe did. it really exceeds almost everyone's expectations. a 40% increase is really a huge improvement for intel, considering how it almost completely failed its p4 prescotts. i want to say, "good job" to intel, for coming up with this wonderful chip, and we shall see its real performance after all the benchmarks for Conroe had completed.

but i just want to say that, just like how intel proved amd fanboyz wrong, AMD may also prove intel fanboyz wrong. the AM2 benchmarks clearly showed bugs within the memory controllers. who can say that AM2 will still perform the same with 939 after amd fixes these bugs?

"AMD has better architecture, INTEL has better marketing"

AMD has essentially laid before us their plans: Re-release 939 with DDR2-800 and hope extra bandwidth will make up the performance. I have bad news; extra bandwidth won't make up a 20% margin, let alone a 40% one. Also, the Conroe tested was a MID RANGE model; there will be Conroe's clocked 25% higher than that releasing alongside them. Not only that, but I am willing to bet these chips will overclock like a bat out of hell.

 

[DragonDoc]

The funny thing is Conroe won't be out until after July while AM2 will be out by June 6th.

Nope, AMD still has the crown for another 4months.

AMD is now playing Intel's old game it appears. I remember when AMD would tell the world way in advance when something new would be comming. Intel was always waiting in the wings to pounce on AMDs parade. Now it appears AMD has turn this around. We here bits and pieces from AMD. As I said before apples to apples.

 

[ak47is1337]

a quick thought...
what happened to the CELL chip :roll:
cell might kill both am2 and conroe
ha.ha.ha....
ibm will take the crown one day...
ha.ha.ha....
and i'll be stuck w/ this x2...
but i'm happy with it...
😀

Cell is not x86 compatible; you couldn't run windows on it without some serious modification (never doubt Linux coders). I personally am a fan of the chip, as 8 cores and massive parallelization are DEFINATELY the wave of the future! We don't realize it, but AMD & Intel are way behind in the multicore sector. I do think that outside of x86 Cell is going to absolutely dominate.

 

[ak47is1337]

The funny thing is Conroe won't be out until after July while AM2 will be out by June 6th.

Nope, AMD still has the crown for another 4months.

AMD is now playing Intel's old game it appears. I remember when AMD would tell the world way in advance when something new would be comming. Intel was always waiting in the wings to pounce on AMDs parade. Now it appears AMD has turn this around. We here bits and pieces from AMD. As I said before apples to apples.
AMD's marketing strategy is pathetic. They are extremely elitist in advertisement, and they often fail to let the average person know of their superior architecture/achievement while they have it.

 

[hergieburbur]

AMD has essentially laid before us their plans: Re-release 939 with DDR2-800 and hope extra bandwidth will make up the performance. I have bad news; extra bandwidth won't make up a 20% margin, let alone a 40% one. Also, the Conroe tested was a MID RANGE model; there will be Conroe's clocked 25% higher than that releasing alongside them. Not only that, but I am willing to bet these chips will overclock like a bat out of hell.

Well, I have seen some allusions to AMD's next stage architecture coming out in 2007, but mainly that they won't talk about it till after AM2 is launched.

As far as AM2 only offering one more pin, thats not exactly true. It is very possible (Indeed they did it with socket 754 for their mobile chips), to free up more pins to use for whatever they want. I am not saying AM2 is going to be a major change, cause I don't think it will until they get to 65nm.

 

[DragonDoc]

The funny thing is Conroe won't be out until after July while AM2 will be out by June 6th.

Nope, AMD still has the crown for another 4months.

AMD is now playing Intel's old game it appears. I remember when AMD would tell the world way in advance when something new would be comming. Intel was always waiting in the wings to pounce on AMDs parade. Now it appears AMD has turn this around. We here bits and pieces from AMD. As I said before apples to apples.
AMD's marketing strategy is pathetic. They are extremely elitist in advertisement, and they often fail to let the average person know of their superior architecture/achievement while they have it.

AMD is a small company compaired to Intel. AMD does not have the $$ on PR with everyday media. I think of AMD as a small business trying to copmpete with the giant Intel. I think the last 10 years we have seen what happens when you spend your $ for RD and not hype. AMD does advertise in magazines and even associate sponsor on some race cars (F-1). And they sponsored Lance Armstrong the last couple of years. People remember Intel from their jingle and logo. Some people don't understand what the processor does in a computer but want an P4 because they rocognize the Intel Logo. Now thats marketing - but does not mean its the best performance product available for your money or even neads.

 

[levicki]

It's kinda like comparing xbox 360 to xbox. They at least should have tried to compare it to AM2. It's a nice and interesting article, but I think the comparison wasn't fair.

And it was fair to compare old Xeons with Opterons?!?

 

[ak47is1337]

The funny thing is Conroe won't be out until after July while AM2 will be out by June 6th.

Nope, AMD still has the crown for another 4months.

AMD is now playing Intel's old game it appears. I remember when AMD would tell the world way in advance when something new would be comming. Intel was always waiting in the wings to pounce on AMDs parade. Now it appears AMD has turn this around. We here bits and pieces from AMD. As I said before apples to apples.
AMD's marketing strategy is pathetic. They are extremely elitist in advertisement, and they often fail to let the average person know of their superior architecture/achievement while they have it.

AMD is a small company compaired to Intel. AMD does not have the $$ on PR with everyday media. I think of AMD as a small business trying to copmpete with the giant Intel. I think the last 10 years we have seen what happens when you spend your $ for RD and not hype. AMD does advertise in magazines and even associate sponsor on some race cars (F-1). And they sponsored Lance Armstrong the last couple of years. People remember Intel from their jingle and logo. Some people don't understand what the processor does in a computer but want an P4 because they rocognize the Intel Logo. Now thats marketing - but does not mean its the best performance product available for your money or even neads.
If AMD put more in marketing, MORE PEOPLE WOULD BUY THEIR CHIPS! THEY COULD GROW! ! !

 

[ak47is1337]

It's kinda like comparing xbox 360 to xbox. They at least should have tried to compare it to AM2. It's a nice and interesting article, but I think the comparison wasn't fair.

And it was fair to compare old Xeons with Opterons?!?
Supposedly the new Xeons give the Opteron's a beating.

 

[Caboose-1]

My Prescott will roast any chip any of you can think of, and that is a fact my friends! Just set the thermal actuating fluxcapacitor from hot to hotter to nuclear warhead and walk away!

 

[Grimmy]

Just SET IT.... and... FORGET IT!!

and if you act now, you get the new improved thermo grease injector..

😳 ... nm

 

[DragonDoc]

If AMD put more in marketing, MORE PEOPLE WOULD BUY THEIR CHIPS! THEY COULD GROW! ! !

Agree but have to balance the checkbooks. :roll:
But just us talking about this is a form of cheap advertisement for AMD - What do you think :?:

 

[gudodayn]

That chip (2.66 Conroe) is going to be released at ~$500. The FX's which it outperforms will be ~$1000.

That's good.......it means that AMD will have to lower their prices to remain competitive or move to 65nm in order to drop their prices.
One thing I noticed with the AMD chips is their x2 CPUs costs an arm and a leg.
Its a race between AMD and Intel and everyone else is caught up in it!!

 

[corvetteguy]

If AMD put more in marketing, MORE PEOPLE WOULD BUY THEIR CHIPS! THEY COULD GROW! ! !

Agree but have to balance the checkbooks. :roll:
But just us talking about this is a form of cheap advertisement for AMD - What do you think :?:

I think that if they got a contract with a large company(possibly dell, but not neccissarily dell) and have that company advertise for them like "introducing our new series equiped with AMD processors, the best processors on the planet-intel sucks"lol

actually i only found out about AMD while looking in a futureshop flier, and thought hmm, interesting, and then looked them up and realized how crappy intel was.

 

[conroe]

If AM2 was any better than 939, why are the numbers the same per clock speed? AM2 is nothing more than the hope of tomrow, and the same ol for today. With time and work is will get better. A new design and a smaller process is in order and fast.

If Conroe is old tech, K8 is ready for the trash pile along with netburst. This thing is as much as all the hype plus some. I very happy today!

I wonder about the server market. This has go to give the lead there as well. This is a huge lead.

 

[unreal111]

man i dont care who wins... all i wont is low prices and hope one of the company doesnt bankcrupt... that would be really bad.

 

[cisco]

Although I agree you really can't compare next gen to current gen. From what we have seen from AM2 in the way of benchmarks it doesn't look near as impressive. Granted it was with 667ddr2 vs 800ddr2 which is what it will be released with. I don't expect it to make up that much of a difference, AMD is effected more by latency in ram than speed. I do believe it will push them to figure out a way to make the 65nm release a big improvement in performance at the end of the year. I think if Conroe holds true, we will have a 3ghz AMD even sooner than anticipated. This is great because we finally have a competition just like video cards, we all win. Look at the improvement in cards in just the last 2 years.

 

[DragonDoc]

I think that if they got a contract with a large company(possibly dell, but not neccissarily dell) and have that company advertise for them like "introducing our new series equiped with AMD processors, the best processors on the planet-intel sucks"lol

They just did = Levono (Old IBMish). See...
http://www-131.ibm.com/webapp/wcs/s...752&storeId=10000001&catalogId=-840&langId=-1

I think Dell will finalaly have to give in. At least in some sort of a way. When = I don't know when. I here rumors (just rumors - not verified) that Dell might purchase Alienware to maybe launch their AMD based computers. But I think what AMD is doing based on their size is about right.

Like I said just us talking about AMD and Intel togeter is cheap advertisement for AMD.

I remember days when Intel would advertise just to say their were going to release a bigger and faster processor than their old processor.

Now days, Intel advertises they are going to release a bigger and faster processor than AMD

Now I think AMD has gotten their moneys worth on advertisement (spend more on R&D and the name will come).

With all this hype today....More people will now ask - who is AMD that Intel is compairing against? something to think about