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FCUK MAN, THERE AINT INTEL FANBOYS HERE, BUT THERE SURE ARE SOME AMD FANBOYS

Remember in the old days what overclocking was - Intel Celeron 300A overclocked to 450mhz, half the price and sure beat the expensive and slower P2 400, overclocking = cheaper chip beating expensive chip, and AMD also help'd making cheaper chips so Intel would have to rethink about there prices cause AMD was selling chips between the Celeron and the P2's prices.

The FX60 is fast at stock but doesnt overclock far at all, The EE that overclocks like crazy - who cares there too expensive - get a cheap ass AMD venice or opteron 1xx (or Intel x 65nm) and clock the crap out of them and u get a chip just as fast or even faster for less the 1/2 the price!!!!!!
 
I am not quoting you, because that is one hell of a long quote LOL.

Topic:

1) AMD was trouncing on Intel w/ 130nm vs. 90nm, 65nm vs. 90nm will be the same.

2) SOI may be going out, but it can scale down to 50nm. AMD can also use Silicon-Germanium-On-Insulator (SGOI) which will succeed SOI and provide better performance than SOI.

3) Quad-Core using the current implementation (even with Conroe) is still inferior to the Opteron 64/Athlon X2.

4) I agree, an idiot buys $1,000+ chips

5) TomsHardware is not the most unbiased place, nor the most professional (seen their latest article? The "Social Worker" one?) and AnandTech is worse than TomsHardware.

~~Mad Mod Mike, pimpin' the world 1 rig at a time
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Intel's northwood C/130nm absolutly smashed AMDs naming scheme - a 2400c ate AMDs XP 3200 in some apps/games.

Intels Pentium M design isnt as FSB hungry as P4's and more cache helps a little (yeah yonah is clock for clock to an A64 with fsb667, 1/2 of conroe) - even a Dothan with FSB533 and 200mhz less takes on your AMD Turion with an IMC.

Idiots buy $1000+ chips like the FX60 - yeah cause conroe will smash it with a cheaper and faster cpu, amd is trying to make there pennies cause its there last stand.

Germanium - yeah check intels status with it.

Anandtech (or AMDntech) is not as Bias as THG with intel most of the time.
 
I am not quoting you, because that is one hell of a long quote LOL.

Topic:

1) AMD was trouncing on Intel w/ 130nm vs. 90nm, 65nm vs. 90nm will be the same.

2) SOI may be going out, but it can scale down to 50nm. AMD can also use Silicon-Germanium-On-Insulator (SGOI) which will succeed SOI and provide better performance than SOI.

3) Quad-Core using the current implementation (even with Conroe) is still inferior to the Opteron 64/Athlon X2.

4) I agree, an idiot buys $1,000+ chips

5) TomsHardware is not the most unbiased place, nor the most professional (seen their latest article? The "Social Worker" one?) and AnandTech is worse than TomsHardware.

~~Mad Mod Mike, pimpin' the world 1 rig at a time
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Intel's northwood C/130nm absolutly smashed AMDs naming scheme - a 2400c ate AMDs 3200 in some apps/games.

Intels Pentium M design isnt as FSB hungry as P4's and more cache helps a little (yeah yonah is clock for clock to an A64 with fsb667, 1/2 of conroe)

Idiots buy $1000+ chips like the FX60 - yeah cause conroe will smash it with a cheaper and faster cpu, amd is trying to make there pennies cause its there last stand.

Germanium - yeah check intels status with it.

Anandtech (or AMDntech) is not as Bias as THG with intel most of the time.dude listen to yourself you make no sense i wonder if intel is gonna suck too with conroe
 
I am not quoting you, because that is one hell of a long quote LOL.

Topic:

1) AMD was trouncing on Intel w/ 130nm vs. 90nm, 65nm vs. 90nm will be the same.

2) SOI may be going out, but it can scale down to 50nm. AMD can also use Silicon-Germanium-On-Insulator (SGOI) which will succeed SOI and provide better performance than SOI.

3) Quad-Core using the current implementation (even with Conroe) is still inferior to the Opteron 64/Athlon X2.

4) I agree, an idiot buys $1,000+ chips

5) TomsHardware is not the most unbiased place, nor the most professional (seen their latest article? The "Social Worker" one?) and AnandTech is worse than TomsHardware.

~~Mad Mod Mike, pimpin' the world 1 rig at a time
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Intel's northwood C/130nm absolutly smashed AMDs naming scheme - a 2400c ate AMDs 3200 in some apps/games.

Intels Pentium M design isnt as FSB hungry as P4's and more cache helps a little (yeah yonah is clock for clock to an A64 with fsb667, 1/2 of conroe)

Idiots buy $1000+ chips like the FX60 - yeah cause conroe will smash it with a cheaper and faster cpu, amd is trying to make there pennies cause its there last stand.

Germanium - yeah check intels status with it.

Anandtech (or AMDntech) is not as Bias as THG with intel most of the time.dude listen to yourself you make no sense i wonder if intel is gonna suck too with conroe

Conroe is based of a proven efficent architecture - P6 - not based of a marked hyped P4/netburst architecture, and its designed by the israle team behind then Pentium M (not the netbust team) - every single P6 design has been colder and faster then the last (from "P6" -> P2 -> P3 -> PM) - proven history, Intel ruined the Pentium name and Intel Inside with P4 and your trust aswell (and mine, everyone) - P4 was crap (northwood was ok but otherwise).
 
ok apache i do have to agree with you there that northwood was good but still the p6 architecture lacks one essential ingredient and thats an onboard memory controller i still remember when i had my p3 it run cool to my freinds athlon at same speed and it was a little slower in memory access times
 
Give It up you stupid AMD fanboys (or fanboys in both sides) How the heck will you know that conroe will suck when its designe is the same or around the same as pentium M when a pentium M is known to be on par or greater then AMD at gaming and other things, oh also conroe will have different architecture with 4mb L2 cache and more efficient L1 cache and getting rid of netburst, along with increase speeds (bigger then the AMD counterpart) when its arcitecture will be almost the same but with good ad ons to the Intel mobile (wich ill say again, rocks AMD's world) Yeah I admit the P4 wasnt the greatest, but I see northwood was great, but the 20stages of pipelines will not compare to conroes 14 or so stages. So before judging something you dont know, take time to think, then post, and Diddy i know youre an idiot famboy so im not going to deal with you. But like i said, we dont know what the processor is going to be like, and from hearings, its going to pwn AMD now, but I have no idea what the K10 architecture will be, we dont even know anything about it. (so thus comes to the conclusion that either 1) they dont know or 2) thier keeping it a seceret.

Woot fanboys suck!!!! Long live VIA C7 Processor!

Oh and there are mix messages to Intel conroe, some are saying ondie memory controller and some are saying no. I think the increase in the Bus speed will be good enough, since the counterpart of the AMD is close to on par with the AMD with a slower Bus speed, as the average bus speed of the Intel conroe will be higher (or supposibly) then the extreme edition intels out there. (thus allowing DDR2 800mhz memory like AM2)

Oh also, every company always has its ups and downs, the northwood was pwning the AMD XP, and people were saying gaming with intel is better, then AMD64 came out then people said different, when there are people who jumped ship with intel and then said intel sucks and always will, then I bet you guys will jump ship again when benchmarks show Intel pwning or even VIA (that would be cool) at gaming and such then jump ships and say AMD sucks.

I would love VIA C7 processor, its performance is supposed to be pretty good, dont need a heatsink for it, so it can be the ultimate silent PC setup, and also its bus speed increased over time and so did the total speed of the processor, and takes less voltage then Intel pentium M.
 
ok apache i do have to agree with you there that northwood was good but stillthe p6 architecture lacks one essential ingredient and thats an onboard memory controller i still remember when i had my p3 it run cool to my freinds athlon at same speed
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IMC - i agree with you there dvdpiddy, but for the time conroe will do without with a larger fsb, and instead of the crap dual core P4 (fsb communication) its through the cache - the Pentium M's are a bit more fsb efficent tho (quad core tho will stretch it cause it wont scale, and since its not full duplex).

Temps for P6 have always been great (my intel tualatin 1.1a@1.46 idles about 2*c above room temp with stock cooling), there my fav chip from Intel (also love messing round with the K6/2/3 - got stacks of em) - if the P6 team broke off from Intel and joind AMD, Intel would be gone.

Conroe and hype - seems to be diffrent, down to earth for once, when the P4 was released they gave numbers like 200% improvement and so on - the P3 was still quicker half the time (seems only "optimised apps" were faster, and not by 200%), conroes hype is "20% quicker then AMD AM2" sounds promising (more down to earth), but AMD has usually been better with some apps so its hard to say what that 20% means.
 
"...if the P6 team broke off from Intel and joind AMD, Intel would be gone..."

They would definately be hurting in the desktop market.


Personally, If either ever comes out, I think I will go for Live over VIIV, just for the fact that there are supposed to be less DRM (best idea for screwing legitamate consumers ever) problems.
 
Give It up you stupid AMD fanboys (or fanboys in both sides) How the heck will you know that conroe will suck when its designe is the same or around the same as pentium M when a pentium M is known to be on par or greater then AMD at gaming and other things, oh also conroe will have different architecture with 4mb L2 cache and more efficient L1 cache and getting rid of netburst, along with increase speeds (bigger then the AMD counterpart) when its arcitecture will be almost the same but with good ad ons to the Intel mobile (wich ill say again, rocks AMD's world) Yeah I admit the P4 wasnt the greatest, but I see northwood was great, but the 20stages of pipelines will not compare to conroes 14 or so stages. So before judging something you dont know, take time to think, then post, and Diddy i know youre an idiot famboy so im not going to deal with you. But like i said, we dont know what the processor is going to be like, and from hearings, its going to pwn AMD now, but I have no idea what the K10 architecture will be, we dont even know anything about it. (so thus comes to the conclusion that either 1) they dont know or 2) thier keeping it a seceret.

Woot fanboys suck!!!! Long live VIA C7 Processor!

Oh and there are mix messages to Intel conroe, some are saying ondie memory controller and some are saying no. I think the increase in the Bus speed will be good enough, since the counterpart of the AMD is close to on par with the AMD with a slower Bus speed, as the average bus speed of the Intel conroe will be higher (or supposibly) then the extreme edition intels out there. (thus allowing DDR2 800mhz memory like AM2)

Oh also, every company always has its ups and downs, the northwood was pwning the AMD XP, and people were saying gaming with intel is better, then AMD64 came out then people said different, when there are people who jumped ship with intel and then said intel sucks and always will, then I bet you guys will jump ship again when benchmarks show Intel pwning or even VIA (that would be cool) at gaming and such then jump ships and say AMD sucks.

I would love VIA C7 processor, its performance is supposed to be pretty good, dont need a heatsink for it, so it can be the ultimate silent PC setup, and also its bus speed increased over time and so did the total speed of the processor, and takes less voltage then Intel pentium M.
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C7? VIA? didnt u hear the dual core via chip review "a dual P3 system smashes it for half the price" - its on the net somewhere, sorry im just an anti via person...

Conroe - im thinking faster (why design a cpu thats slower then the competition) but IMC - not going to happen yet - cause it will run in socket775 so thats out of the question.

Its a leap frog game - P3 - K7 - ~P4c - A64 - Conroe?

You have to respect the people who have been let down by intel (P4, not intel really) and they have to respect the idea that intel can change (and if they win you also have to respect the idea that amd will come back later to win the day again).
 
Apache are you being UNbias again? 🙂

I am with ya.... My Athlon 900 at purchase was the fastest thing out there but needed a daughter card to overclock. The P4 3.0C was also the fastest at the time with the 800mhz FSB. I am all for a faster Inte based product... That way the prices come down on the X2 series. I need to build my multi-purpose HTPC and the X2 4600 would be a welcome addition.

I refuse to be the early adopter in these situations. Too easy to get burnt (Bad P4 heat pun 🙂)
 
yeah maybe there processors arnt that great in performance, at least though they dont need a heatsink, you stupid people and thinking everything in AMD is the best, AMD will just be like intel, make a mistake, it happens, the P3 was the best out there, and the mobile chip is designed off of it, and thus the conroe will be too, making it better but with the higher speeds. Im sorry to say, but AMD wont last long as top leader of the benchmarks (and its just barly top leader) but conroe will take its place, its just the market, it will always happen to both sides of the companies, 1 will make 1 sweet processor and will be better for a good while, then vice versa, so stop with this nonsense saying AMD is almighty god and will always be crap.

oh and dvdpiddy youre an idiot, I bet you are going to jump ship and go with Intel once benchmarks are released and prove Intel better, cause that will happen since it happened with you, just because Intel lost in a couple of benchmarks and not badly either, you jump ship saying you lost hope in intel just because of 1 bad core designe, do you really think a company like intel that is funded a lot more then AMD will make the same mistake after losing so much money on the P4 desgine? No obviously not since they jumped ship with the whole pentium thing, conroe will be something great, I have a feeling, since AM2 is really nothing much more then socket 939, the only socket i see that has a lot of potential is socket F (wich will release the quad core on, at least first it will)
 
yeah maybe there processors arnt that great in performance, at least though they dont need a heatsink...
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Well, I have to agree here. What VIA needed was a good marketing campaign to promote their C3 Eden processors. These things can run without an HSF and they're good (not excelent) performers. These chips can make any Pentium-M or Turion64 a run for their money (but I'll pay a little more for a Turion thanks to its 64-bit cappabilities and better FPU performance). :lol:

I have a feeling, since AM2 is really nothing much more then socket 939, the only socket i see that has a lot of potential is socket F (wich will release the quad core on, at least first it will)
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That's because you don't know the true potential of socket AM2. 8)
 
i thought the C7 needed a heatsink (pasive cooling)?

there hype is worse then intel "7 times more efficent then pentium m clock for clock" (as in heat and power only, at the same time 20x slower).

its just a refined cyrix

conroe - i think everyone will atleast agree that its going to be better then P4

on the other hand if they do do 20% better, what happend before 2008 when they do integrate IMC and some sort of HTT (CSI?)

tualatin vs thunderbird - tualatin wins on a fsb 1/2 the speed of the AMD - its been done, will we see it again? (i posted this on another topic)
 
yeah maybe there processors arnt that great in performance, at least though they dont need a heatsink...
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Well, I have to agree here. What VIA needed was a good marketing campaign to promote their C3 Eden processors. These things can run without an HSF and they're good (not excelent) performers. These chips can make any Pentium-M or Turion64 a run for their money (but I'll pay a little more for a Turion thanks to its 64-bit cappabilities and better FPU performance). :lol:

I have a feeling, since AM2 is really nothing much more then socket 939, the only socket i see that has a lot of potential is socket F (wich will release the quad core on, at least first it will)
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That's because you don't know the true potential of socket AM2. 8)

AM2 is S939 with DDR2 and the benchmarks did not improve but the cpu ran colder so the improvement or potential is clock speed alone (extra overclocking head room)

and VIA - excuse my hate for there products :wink: they are prolly good concidering there extra small board dimentions.
 
AM2 is S939 with DDR2 and the benchmarks did not improve but the cpu ran colder so the improvement or potential is clock speed alone (extra overclocking head room)
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Just as Conroe will only be a revamped Jonah with DDR2-800 support and 4MB L2 cache. Expect the same lackluster performance for such a hyped processor.

Once again, exuberant optimism. 8)
 
A lot of things are being overlooked here.
1. Intel FCUKED up big time with Netburst and the 15+ pipeline stages. They figured this out, and did what they could to minimize the problem with marketing. They caught on, and are going to be extremely competetive with AMD as far as Conroe is concerned (provided that Conroe will be anything like the P M.) Intel is also figuring out that the heat issues need to be resolved.
2. Intel has superior manufacturing technology, 65nm and in another year 45nm. If Intel can get a half-ass decent architecture to manufacture 65nm with, they will not only be able to rack in massive clocks, but utilize those clocks more than A64.
3. AMD is going nowhere, they will be around with fanboys like dvdpiddy even if worst comes comes to worst and it turns out to be another P3 Intel releases (speaking of which, P M is based on the P3 :))
4. Unless AMD can fix up AM2 big time, im not sure K8 will be competitive with Conroe. Pentium M chips are very nice...and if Conroe is just a 3.33ghz Pentium M without any revisions at all, that is still one hell of a chip.
5. No, I am not a fanboy. I want both companies to kick each others' asses personally, so we can have the kind of competition and cut-throat prices/performance we see in the graphics card market.
 
pentium m at 3.33ghz!? that would smash anything since pentium m is sort of on par to a bit better then AMD at things like gaming (but gets trampled on when multimedia work, unless we talk about core duo wich also kicks butt)

Also i read that Intel will be throwing in the Netburst towel for the apporach of less voltage consumption and smaller pipelines (i must agree intel whent overboard, 32 stages of pipelines is a hell of a lot)

If i had to chose between single core AMD or single core Intel, i would choose intel since im an all round kind of guy (want high end in everything) and since the single core Intel can tromp AMD in quite a few multimedia apps besides gaming, were its not a lot better, but is better non the less (even if it was 1fps more, thats still more) but does that mean both cant do the same things? (meaning intel play games as smooth as silk and high quality, and AMD rendering nicely) heck no, they both can do the job really well, its just 1 has the upperhand in some parts the the other, I just think the best Bang for youre buck is a great idea, and thus making AMD the kind winner for its prices, but then we get into dual core, and I rather buy a 805 intel cause of dual core capabilities, and i bet it can play games nicely (some say so) and the price is amazing, i rather spend the 180 dollors less and get good quality items to go with it (ocing ram and mobo) and im building a watercooling setup (custom watercooling) and I would be able to overclock it somewhat, making it the best bang for youre buck/performance ratio.
 
pentium m at 3.33ghz!? that would smash anything since pentium m is sort of on par to a bit better then AMD at things like gaming (but gets trampled on when multimedia work, unless we talk about core duo wich also kicks butt)

Also i read that Intel will be throwing in the Netburst towel for the apporach of less voltage consumption and smaller pipelines (i must agree intel whent overboard, 32 stages of pipelines is a hell of a lot)

If i had to chose between single core AMD or single core Intel, i would choose intel since im an all round kind of guy (want high end in everything) and since the single core Intel can tromp AMD in quite a few multimedia apps besides gaming, were its not a lot better, but is better non the less (even if it was 1fps more, thats still more) but does that mean both cant do the same things? (meaning intel play games as smooth as silk and high quality, and AMD rendering nicely) heck no, they both can do the job really well, its just 1 has the upperhand in some parts the the other, I just think the best Bang for youre buck is a great idea, and thus making AMD the kind winner for its prices, but then we get into dual core, and I rather buy a 805 intel cause of dual core capabilities, and i bet it can play games nicely (some say so) and the price is amazing, i rather spend the 180 dollors less and get good quality items to go with it (ocing ram and mobo) and im building a watercooling setup (custom watercooling) and I would be able to overclock it somewhat, making it the best bang for youre buck/performance ratio.
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Yes, Conroe will be released with a 3.33ghz Extreme Edition version.
 
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