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Haswell is having 10 to 15 watt TDP and is upto 8 cores and 32MB L3 cache (16 way) and also a dx11.1 gpu.
I think its more than enough for an ultrabook in 2013.
Amd should make a better Trinity apu with low TDP to compete with intel haswell.
I think its more than enough for an ultrabook in 2013.
Amd should make a better Trinity apu with low TDP to compete with intel haswell.
no wonder why some posts got "hide" by itself, because they are amd fanboys who posts wrong statements at the wrong topic. ha ha ha. please, if you're so desperate about your slow-moving-bulldozer, put your comment at appropriate topic, not in this one. idiot!
alyoshka
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All the new chips coming out are like the 4X4's they run slower when all 4 wheels are engaged but run faster when just 2 are hyped up. Although the 4 give more horsepower for tough climbing jobs, the 2 tide you along on the highway just fine at crazy speeds.....
So basically what we have seen is a drop in the TDP , an increase in the working capacity and max speeds, but, at the same time it's a same chip just with a few minor adjustments.
So it looks like until 2013 we're all going to be playing in Intels small box, with different versions of the same thing.
AMD really ought to do something about this....
So basically what we have seen is a drop in the TDP , an increase in the working capacity and max speeds, but, at the same time it's a same chip just with a few minor adjustments.
So it looks like until 2013 we're all going to be playing in Intels small box, with different versions of the same thing.
AMD really ought to do something about this....
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[citation][nom]DjEaZy[/nom]... and what will intel do about GPU?[/citation]
And their SSDs! No match for Sandforce. Even their new enterprise SSD has less encryption power than sandforce (while being insanely slower)
And their SSDs! No match for Sandforce. Even their new enterprise SSD has less encryption power than sandforce (while being insanely slower)
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[citation][nom]Taylor422[/nom]HD 3000 can run more than "stupid fb games". I have personally played World of Warcraft on an i7-2630M with HD 3K and gotten decent framerates.[/citation]
but can it run crisis ? 😀
only noob put the game on intel graphic, real gamers play games on radeon or geforce
but can it run crisis ? 😀
only noob put the game on intel graphic, real gamers play games on radeon or geforce
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OK, looks like there is still lots of misinformation out there. anandtech.com has a full rundown on IB procs from the IDF last week. We can expect performance quad cores at about 40W, and i7's at 65W. Expect an approximate 10-15% increase in performance over SB as it is SB architecture but with a die shrink and some added instructions. The HD graphics should be an approximate doubling over SB as they have switched over to an architecture which (according to anandtech) is very similar to what AMD/nVidia uses.
Haswell will be a new architecture, which generally means a 20+% improvement if we compare to other new architecture releases.
The GPU on Haswell (2013) will be a rough equivalent to AMD's current (2011) on-die graphics solutions, which means Intel will still be behind, but catching up. By Broadwill (2014-5?) (the Tock of the Haswell Tick), they think they will have a comparable on-board graphics solution to AMD. Now, with that said, the current HD graphics are more than enough to run most programs, and quite a few games at decent quality, and at OK resolutions. If you want a gaming rig you will always have to buy a discreet graphics card because we should have cards capable of real time ray tracing on the high end in the next 2-3 years. None of the on-board graphics options will come close to that.
And for the Bulldozer fan boys; The reason TDP is so important for performance parts is for one simple reason: By the time Haswell comes out, you will have performance chips that can run on a netbook battery, while AMD may still be serving mainstream chips at a similar wattage. That is going to seriously cut into AMDs current mobile superiority (which really isn't that far behind Intel to begin with). I love AMD, they have been a great company in the past, but AMD is a wildcard. Intel is on a road map they have stuck to fairly well the last 3 years, and has another 2 years to go on. We know exactly what to expect, and roughly when to expect it (give or take a few months). AMD the last few years has talked big, but delivered little. Now they are not talking at all, and we don't know what is coming next. With no game plan, companies cannot make plans (kinda like economic policy), and if a company cannot make plans around your product then they will not use your product.
AMD can turn this around, but will they?
Haswell will be a new architecture, which generally means a 20+% improvement if we compare to other new architecture releases.
The GPU on Haswell (2013) will be a rough equivalent to AMD's current (2011) on-die graphics solutions, which means Intel will still be behind, but catching up. By Broadwill (2014-5?) (the Tock of the Haswell Tick), they think they will have a comparable on-board graphics solution to AMD. Now, with that said, the current HD graphics are more than enough to run most programs, and quite a few games at decent quality, and at OK resolutions. If you want a gaming rig you will always have to buy a discreet graphics card because we should have cards capable of real time ray tracing on the high end in the next 2-3 years. None of the on-board graphics options will come close to that.
And for the Bulldozer fan boys; The reason TDP is so important for performance parts is for one simple reason: By the time Haswell comes out, you will have performance chips that can run on a netbook battery, while AMD may still be serving mainstream chips at a similar wattage. That is going to seriously cut into AMDs current mobile superiority (which really isn't that far behind Intel to begin with). I love AMD, they have been a great company in the past, but AMD is a wildcard. Intel is on a road map they have stuck to fairly well the last 3 years, and has another 2 years to go on. We know exactly what to expect, and roughly when to expect it (give or take a few months). AMD the last few years has talked big, but delivered little. Now they are not talking at all, and we don't know what is coming next. With no game plan, companies cannot make plans (kinda like economic policy), and if a company cannot make plans around your product then they will not use your product.
AMD can turn this around, but will they?
[citation][nom]ultrabook_early_adopter[/nom]Connected standby. As if I need to receive email WHEN THE LAPTOP IS ESSENTIALLY TURNED OFF. You know, I could receive all of my email all at once when it wakes up...Think long and hard about that one, fanboys, before you start drooling over the latest PR.If anything, this is probably designed to be used with Microsoft's NSA_KEY 2012 Professional Edition, since it has no obvious use for the owner of the computer...[/citation]
They are called alerts ding bat. I am sure the idea is to have a way to notify you of "what" came in.
They are called alerts ding bat. I am sure the idea is to have a way to notify you of "what" came in.
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[citation][nom]leeashton[/nom]Apple do they have a clean record[/citation]
I laughed so hard I actually let out a bit of wee.
Really, you should have put "/sarcasm" on the end of the comment, I don't think the wink was sufficient to show people you were being ironic.
I laughed so hard I actually let out a bit of wee.
Really, you should have put "/sarcasm" on the end of the comment, I don't think the wink was sufficient to show people you were being ironic.
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If the Ivy Bridge previews over on Anandtech and X-bit and a couple other places are correct, IB's GPU will be comparable to Llano's GPU (APU) as far as playing games at decent framerates and DirectX 11 support. I dunno what kind of GPU performance Trinity will have next year, but eventually it's gonna hit a TDP wall on 32nm. So I doubt AMD is going to be packing a 6970 GPU into the die, and jack the TDP up to 250+ watts.
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I think that if Bulldozer isnt good enough (performance / price), the new AMD CEO will face a problem. That i think could be good news, because i dont think his going to fail two times in a row; so next AMD CPU would be better o they wont release anything.
[citation][nom]leeashton[/nom]Apple do they have a clean record[/citation]
You're joking right? We are thinking about the same Apple, right? The Apple that pushed to have its users CRIMINALIZED for jailbreaking the devices they OWN? The Apple that doctored images of Samsung's products to get an injunction in Europe? The Apple that has consistently ignored the horrendous working conditions of those who manufacture its products and outright refuse to help them with medical bills incurred when they were exposed to hazardous chemicals to make said Apple products?
Yeah, that's a stellar fucking record.
You're joking right? We are thinking about the same Apple, right? The Apple that pushed to have its users CRIMINALIZED for jailbreaking the devices they OWN? The Apple that doctored images of Samsung's products to get an injunction in Europe? The Apple that has consistently ignored the horrendous working conditions of those who manufacture its products and outright refuse to help them with medical bills incurred when they were exposed to hazardous chemicals to make said Apple products?
Yeah, that's a stellar fucking record.
@fazers_on_stun
bulldozer has the ability to completely turn off a module, not just send it into sleep mode but completely electrically isolate a module, we know games rarely ever utilize more then 2 cores (a single module) at best, so turn a few modules off ramp up turbo core and give the rest of that 125w to the GPU it's not inconceivable to have a high performing GPU in the same package
the true beauty of fusion has yet to be revealed and the reason why AMD calls it an APU (an APU is not just sticking a GPU and CPU on the same die), the theory being that the CPU should be able to draw upon the GPU to assist with it's functions and vice verse where the GPU will draw upon the CPU to assist with it's task, the result should be a unit that is far greater then the sum of it's parts
in current desktop it's is rarely ever seen that the CPU and GPU are maxed out, most task taxes one more so than the other leaving alot of untapped processing power, a balanced APU whereby a mediocre CPU paired with a mediocre GPU working together in concert should be able to reach the processing power of a higher tiered CPU while at the same time costing much less, the distinction between CPU and GPU then disappears and you just have a single unit, the APU
bulldozer has the ability to completely turn off a module, not just send it into sleep mode but completely electrically isolate a module, we know games rarely ever utilize more then 2 cores (a single module) at best, so turn a few modules off ramp up turbo core and give the rest of that 125w to the GPU it's not inconceivable to have a high performing GPU in the same package
the true beauty of fusion has yet to be revealed and the reason why AMD calls it an APU (an APU is not just sticking a GPU and CPU on the same die), the theory being that the CPU should be able to draw upon the GPU to assist with it's functions and vice verse where the GPU will draw upon the CPU to assist with it's task, the result should be a unit that is far greater then the sum of it's parts
in current desktop it's is rarely ever seen that the CPU and GPU are maxed out, most task taxes one more so than the other leaving alot of untapped processing power, a balanced APU whereby a mediocre CPU paired with a mediocre GPU working together in concert should be able to reach the processing power of a higher tiered CPU while at the same time costing much less, the distinction between CPU and GPU then disappears and you just have a single unit, the APU
[citation][nom]usersname[/nom]So, who in the computing industry has a clean record?[/citation]
There's competition and there's diarrhoea dirty...Intel did the latter when AMD was on top on performance. Things like telling Dell they'll only get good deals if 95%+ of their computers are Intel.
What has AMD done that's so dirty? Nothing pops into my eyes but I'm sure there are things I don't know.
There's competition and there's diarrhoea dirty...Intel did the latter when AMD was on top on performance. Things like telling Dell they'll only get good deals if 95%+ of their computers are Intel.
What has AMD done that's so dirty? Nothing pops into my eyes but I'm sure there are things I don't know.
[citation][nom]Flameout[/nom]AMD should skip a generation just so they can keep Intel on their toes. Still I hope bulldozer performs well for it's price[/citation]
Yeah. I'm actually planning to skip having kids and go directly to my grandkids. Grandparents seem to have more fun with them. It would be just as possible for AMD to skip a generation. That's why it's called a 'generation' Do you think they wouldn't think of this if it was possible?
Yeah. I'm actually planning to skip having kids and go directly to my grandkids. Grandparents seem to have more fun with them. It would be just as possible for AMD to skip a generation. That's why it's called a 'generation' Do you think they wouldn't think of this if it was possible?
eddieroolz
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[citation][nom]droking[/nom]A few of them has cleaner track records than Intel's.[/citation]
Name them.
You don't reach corporate level by playing fair. Modern businesses consume smaller businesses for their patents and do away with their employees at an alarming rate. Some have better PR people than others.
The problem here is that if the underdog (AMD) does not consistently battle Intel or "compete", it raises hackles more than someone importing the cast of My Little Ponies to a glue factory in front of children. People will throw a fit over something simply because it doesn't agree with their sense of reality, regardless of how the real world works.
Name them.
You don't reach corporate level by playing fair. Modern businesses consume smaller businesses for their patents and do away with their employees at an alarming rate. Some have better PR people than others.
The problem here is that if the underdog (AMD) does not consistently battle Intel or "compete", it raises hackles more than someone importing the cast of My Little Ponies to a glue factory in front of children. People will throw a fit over something simply because it doesn't agree with their sense of reality, regardless of how the real world works.
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