News Intel Rocket Lake Release Date, Specifications, Performance, All We Know

[eichwana]

Maybe a dumb question, but apart from a slightly higher clock speed, what differences are there between i9 and i7?

 

[usiname]

Maybe a dumb question, but apart from a slightly higher clock speed, what differences are there between i9 and i7?

The box

 

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The box

The price tag too.

For most sane people, the 11th-gen i9 will be little more than a halo product for the sole purpose of having a halo product and shouldn't be considered.

 

[TerryLaze]

I have no issue believing that the i7 may have lower or fewer PCI lanes and not quite as high mem clocks, let's see though if it's clocks only it would be cool.

 

[Lorien Silmaril]

PPL making comments about nanometer process tech - need to read this.

https://www.techpowerup.com/272489/...-7-nm-node-using-scanning-electron-microscope

"The results? Well, the Intel 14 nm chip features transistors with a gate width of 24 nm, while the AMD/TSMC 7 nm one has a gate width of 22 nm (gate height is also rather similar). "

"Another interesting thing to note here, the gate width is not following the naming scheme as you might have expected. The 14 nm transistor isn't 14 nm in width, and the 7 nm transistor isn't 7 nm wide. The naming of the node and actual size of the node have had a departure a long time ago, and the naming convention is really up to the manufacturer - it's become more of a marketing gimmick than anything else. "

People quoting that techpowerup article needs to be reading this instead.

No Intel and Samsung are not passing TSMC - Semiwiki

Seeking Alpha just published an article about Intel and Samsung passing TSMC for process leadership. The Intel part seems to be a theme with them, they have talked in the past about how Intel does bigger density improvements with each generation than the foundries but forget that the foundries...

semiwiki.com

 

[TerryLaze]

People quoting that techpowerup article needs to be reading this instead.

No Intel and Samsung are not passing TSMC - Semiwiki

Seeking Alpha just published an article about Intel and Samsung passing TSMC for process leadership. The Intel part seems to be a theme with them, they have talked in the past about how Intel does bigger density improvements with each generation than the foundries but forget that the foundries...

semiwiki.com

But your article says the exact same thing?!

Intel’s 14nm process was significantly denser than Samsung or TSMC’s 14nm/16nm processes.
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the Intel 10nm process was slightly denser that TSMC or Samsung, but in 2018 TSMC’s 7+ process (half node) and in 2019 Samsung’s 6nm (half node) processes passed Intel 10nm density

The nm was just a gadget anyway and will become even more so the smaller they will get because making a gate that is really that small is impossible so they are making one feature that small and call the whole gate that.

 

[Lorien Silmaril]

But your article says the exact same thing?!

The nm was just a gadget anyway and will become even more so the smaller they will get because making a gate that is really that small is impossible so they are making one feature that small and call the whole gate that.

The context is very different (and a lot more informative).

The Techpowerup article is frequently quoted by Intel apologists who claim "Intel 14nm is almost as good as TSMC 7nm!!", and that's far from the truth:

In 2017 TSMC released their 7nm process moving further ahead of Intel and in 2018 Samsung released their 7nm process also moving further ahead of Intel. In 2019 Intel finally started shipping 10nm and the Intel 10nm process was slightly denser that TSMC or Samsung, but in 2018 TSMC’s 7+ process (half node) and in 2019 Samsung’s 6nm (half node) processes passed Intel 10nm density

Even if Intel released 10nm desktop parts today they still wouldn't be on even footing with TSMC 7+.

There's a much much more indepth article on what all the numbers in processes mean, but ultimately what counts most is transistor density, and Intel is behind.

Can TSMC Maintain Their Process Technology Lead - Semiwiki

Recently Seeking Alpha published an article “Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Company Losing Its Process Leadership To Intel” and Dan Nenni (SemiWiki founder) asked me to take a look at the article and do my own analysis. This is a subject I have followed and published on for many years...

semiwiki.com

 

[TerryLaze]

The context is very different (and a lot more informative).

The Techpowerup article is frequently quoted by Intel apologists who claim "Intel 14nm is almost as good as TSMC 7nm!!", and that's far from the truth:



Even if Intel released 10nm desktop parts today they still wouldn't be on even footing with TSMC 7+.

There's a much much more indepth article on what all the numbers in processes mean, but ultimately what counts most is transistor density, and Intel is behind.

Can TSMC Maintain Their Process Technology Lead - Semiwiki

Recently Seeking Alpha published an article “Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Company Losing Its Process Leadership To Intel” and Dan Nenni (SemiWiki founder) asked me to take a look at the article and do my own analysis. This is a subject I have followed and published on for many years...

semiwiki.com

Half-information from everywhere, and I don't even mean you, reviews should be telling us this stuff.
TSMC has two versions, High performance and High Density.
That's 65 Million transistors for HP and 91 for HD instead of the 101 that your article states for the 7nm node.
https://en.wikichip.org/wiki/7_nm_lithography_process#Std_Cells

Qualcomm reported that on its own SoC (Snapdragon 855), the high-performance cells deliver around 10-13% higher effective drive current (Ieff), albeit at the cost of being slightly leakier transistors. Based on WikiChip's own analysis, the dense cells come at around 91.2 MTr/mm² while the less dense, high-performance cells, are calculated at around 65 MTr/mm².