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So Intel knows enough about bug #1 to say that it's a separate thing from bug #2. Still, they haven't said anything at all yet about bug #1 and I have no idea if my 13700KF is about to combust. Do I have this right? Lol?

If I missed something let me know.
 
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boerhae said:
So Intel knows enough about bug #1 to say that it's a separate thing from bug #2. Still, they haven't said anything at all yet about bug #1 and I have no idea if my 13700KF is about to combust. Do I have this right? Lol?

If I missed something let me know.
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We don't know what we don't know, but we are positive that what we didn't know last week is not the same as what we don't know this week!
 
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"Intel is aware of a small number of instability reports on Intel Core 13th/14th Gen mobile processors".

Small... Who want define what is small?

For me is 70% of all 13 and 14 gens cpus is dammed even the Doom guy can't kill all these cpu.
 
I know Intel undoubtedly put out this statement because the majority of their market is laptops but this does nothing but muddy the waters in my opinion. It's an acknowledgement that they know what the problem facing desktop parts is but haven't said anything. I understand that there are legitimate reasons for keeping quiet (most pressing being to make sure they have enough parts for replacement as this seems inevitable) but this has taken on a life of its own and they need to stop it.
The Historical Fidelity said:
From the independent investigations I follow, it is looking like oxidation of the copper vias due to contamination during tantalum deposition is the most likely culprit as even low power Intel chips suffer the same symptoms.
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Based on this Intel statement that seemingly wouldn't be correct as every RPL part uses the same manufacturing process and the HX line are B0 die like the desktop parts are.
 
As a Intel Raptor Lake mobile CPU user, so far I have not seen any crashes after like 3 to 4 months of usage. I am not a heavy gamer, so the issue may not surface that soon. Let's see.

Having said that, Intel either already know what is the issue since they sound very confident in their response here, or they just want to prevent the damage from spreading across to their mobile product, which is one of the main revenue generator for Intel. Because it is one of the main income generator for Intel, it also means it is one of the biggest headache for Intel if they had to recall these mobile processors.
 
Before you go to sing AMD's praises, remember the Ryzen 1000 issues? Errors, especially in Linux, requiring a replacement, and my personal one just up and died, plus they don't support Windows 11 officially. And then there was the whole TLB issue with the first generation Phenoms that cut performance by 10% and was only fixed by the xx5 revision parts. Then there was the whole Bulldozer derived years which resulted in abysmal performance and a class action lawsuit.

And let's not forget the fact that Ryzen 1, 1.5, 2, and 3 (if not newer ones as well) will not always hit their rated boost frequencies even in "short, lightly threaded workloads" even when set with no power limits, increased PBO speeds, and beefy liquid cooling because of faulty AMD algorithms that somehow has not drawn a class action lawsuit.
 
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I know Intel undoubtedly put out this statement because the majority of their market is laptops but this does nothing but muddy the waters in my opinion. It's an acknowledgement that they know what the problem facing desktop parts is but haven't said anything. I understand that there are legitimate reasons for keeping quiet (most pressing being to make sure they have enough parts for replacement as this seems inevitable) but this has taken on a life of its own and they need to stop it.

Based on this Intel statement that seemingly wouldn't be correct as every RPL part uses the same manufacturing process and the HX line are B0 die like the desktop parts are.
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No offense, but I’ll take an independent lab’s findings over an Intel statement any day
 
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“Defs not the CPU! It's the mobos and software! Trust us!”

Is it just me, or does this sound eerily like what they first said when the desktop CPUs started failing?
 
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Intel's official statement highlights the reported instability issues on mobile 13th and 14th Generation processors.

Intel says 13th and 14th Gen mobile CPUs are crashing but not due to the same bug as desktop chips — chipmaker blames common software and hardware... : Read more
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We have the 12900ks and 13900kf processors on Asus motherboards with ddr4. We have never experienced crashes as such but occasional unexplained alt-tabs out to the desktop when playing games ?. Something like once a day if used extensively. The game is still running and can be switched to from the task bar.

Is this the same thing that's being reported ??
 
Roland Of Gilead said:
I'm not so sure whats important here is what they know, but rather when they knew it. Surely this could not have passed QC. Seems like they knowingly put out a bad product.
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Chips are over time degrading. Testing through QC would not show the ongoing problems.

What i do know: https://www.anandtech.com/show/11110/semi-critical-intel-atom-c2000-flaw-discovered


... And so on, is that intel is having serious issues with quality in regards of their hardware that they are pushing out.

I had a X470-F motherboard with a Intel NIC. Under some conditions, the game, app or whatever acted up erratic and would continue for weeks to follow. At some point the whole NIC just disappears from the BIOS and within 2 weeks the whole board died.

I had to replace a perfectly working board because of a faulty NIC of Intel. The quality of those components degraded in my opinion over the years. they are no longer that company with robust hardware it seems.
 
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Alvar "Miles" Udell said:
Before you go to sing AMD's praises, remember the Ryzen 1000 issues? Errors, especially in Linux, requiring a replacement, and my personal one just up and died, plus they don't support Windows 11 officially. And then there was the whole TLB issue with the first generation Phenoms that cut performance by 10% and was only fixed by the xx5 revision parts. Then there was the whole Bulldozer derived years which resulted in abysmal performance and a class action lawsuit.
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Why are you dredging up this stuff from 7 to 15 years ago? AMD is a very different company than what it was, back then. In particular, Zen 1 was designed & tested back when AMD was teetering on the brink of bankruptcy.

Such examples are only slightly more relevant than using the 30-year-old Pentium/FDIV bug as a reason not to buy Intel CPUs. Sheesh.

Alvar "Miles" Udell said:
And let's not forget the fact that Ryzen 1, 1.5, 2, and 3 (if not newer ones as well) will not always hit their rated boost frequencies even in "short, lightly threaded workloads"
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That's not a reliability problem.

This feels like whataboutism.
 
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No matter what damage is done to Intel, you can be sure their profits and stock will soar and they will only get bigger. This is just a little hiccup and serves as entertainment but has no real purpose in life besides sharpening my wits. Making me more skeptical, more jaded, more cynical, more hostile etc.

So it just adds to the mountain of suspicion I already have that you just cant trust anyone, assume anything, and you have to actually prove your purchase works and assume it doesn't. This problem has strengthen by mindset that they are guilty until proven innocent. Sad but thats what we have to do to protect ourselves in age where everything is skyrocketing in cost.
 
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