Intel - stopping poor children from getting computers

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Intel is not stopping anybody from selling pc. but iF they want intel to supply cheap chips for them. forget it thats not business. maybe they can ask AMD or VIA for that.
 
First, sorry I didn,t have the time to read the whole thing.

For me it goes lije this. One guy decide to do a "one computer per child" program. Price, 100$! :lol: Fastforward 2 years (more or less) and you now have a "176$ per child computer". Destination, country with yearly average income of 300$ (not all, but I least you get my point). Well, there is still 124$ left to eat.. and pay for food... and electricity needed to make the computer work... etc... Not very clever if you ask me.

Now Intel tries to make something (I hope) even cheaper, and poeple complains. Where's the problem? I'll tell you where it is. Not with Intel but with this guy trying to sell computer to people that really needs to go to school to learn something to get a decent living. With that, they'll have the money to get their real computer.

Plus, 3 million machine to make it profitable? This is more then Sony amount of PS3 sold up to now. Good luck!

Intel isn't right maybe, I don't have the whole story... well, nobody has. I hope you do know that TV channel really likes to make big company looks bad. What I do know is that this guy idea doesn't seems like the best one to help those kids. And that's for sure!
 
First, sorry I didn,t have the time to read the whole thing.

For me it goes lije this. One guy decide to do a "one computer per child" program. Price, 100$! :lol: Fastforward 2 years (more or less) and you now have a "176$ per child computer". Destination, country with yearly average income of 300$ (not all, but I least you get my point). Well, there is still 124$ left to eat.. and pay for food... and electricity needed to make the computer work... etc... Not very clever if you ask me.

Now Intel tries to make something (I hope) even cheaper, and poeple complains. Where's the problem? I'll tell you where it is. Not with Intel but with this guy trying to sell computer to people that really needs to go to school to learn something to get a decent living. With that, they'll have the money to get their real computer.

Plus, 3 million machine to make it profitable? This is more then Sony amount of PS3 sold up to now. Good luck!

Intel isn't right maybe, I don't have the whole story... well, nobody has. I hope you do know that TV channel really likes to make big company looks bad. What I do know is that this guy idea doesn't seems like the best one to help those kids. And that's for sure!
 
First, sorry I didn,t have the time to read the whole thing.

For me it goes lije this. One guy decide to do a "one computer per child" program. Price, 100$! :lol: Fastforward 2 years (more or less) and you now have a "176$ per child computer". Destination, country with yearly average income of 300$ (not all, but I least you get my point). Well, there is still 124$ left to eat.. and pay for food... and electricity needed to make the computer work... etc... Not very clever if you ask me.

Now Intel tries to make something (I hope) even cheaper, and poeple complains. Where's the problem? I'll tell you where it is. Not with Intel but with this guy trying to sell computer to people that really needs to go to school to learn something to get a decent living. With that, they'll have the money to get their real computer.

Plus, 3 million machine to make it profitable? This is more then Sony amount of PS3 sold up to now. Good luck!

Intel isn't right maybe, I don't have the whole story... well, nobody has. I hope you do know that TV channel really likes to make big company looks bad. What I do know is that this guy idea doesn't seems like the best one to help those kids. And that's for sure!
 
Sorry for the multiple repeats. Connection is kinda slow :wink: and I had to press the snd button more then once to get it through. I won't do it again next time. Oups!!!! 😳
 
whats the deal with all the double and tripple posts? Forum topic too big for this bummed out server? :lol:

Intel had their opportunity and they blew it. Now that AMD is involved its a whole other story. Intel is undercutting a non profit organization, I mean really, how low is that? They rushed in a product that is ill suited for the task and has massive power requirements compared to the other products being offered and they have no plans on how to support this.

The non-profit organization sends generators and the necessary equipment and a plan to get things done. It isnt about personal greed for the organization as they are more than willing, and actually approached Intel first, to let any computer manufacturer assist in the program. A completely unbiased approach and Intel refused.

Im still wondering who actually thinks Intel will continue to support their program after this non-profit organization goes under? I'd put good money the program degrades after this and slowly disappears into nothingness.
 
you're so far down the list we'll never get around to lynching you 😉

Oh, and the intel laptop isn't cheaper. Also, it's technologically inferior (unless you're running SuperPi or something, it should be a lot faster at that. I don't think anyone has done head-to-head benchmarking yet though).

The money for the laptops isn't supposed to come out of their food budget but out of the government's education budget. Part of the idea in making the government pay the actual cost for the laptops is to make the government also take an active interest in making sure they get put to good use and don't get re-sold. There are a few places that have plainly stated they would rather spend their education budget on more traditional programs.

www.laptop.org and www.classmatepc.com are the official websites
 
Let me see if I have your complaint correct...
1) Someone started a program to sell cheap system to third world countries in hopes of raising the computer literacy rate in those areas.
2) Another company had the audacity of offering one of those countries an even cheaper alternative.

I fail to see the problem here. It sounds like a win win situation for the kids in these areas. At a cheaper price, the governments are even more likely to go along with purchasing the systems for the kids in their countries. Hopefully, they will buy even more of them at this cheaper price. Since that is Dr. Negroponte's stated goal, what is the error? Is he just annoyed the someone else is the one to do it? Is he worried that someone may steal some of his spotlight or headlines?
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I was thinking the same thing. Sounds like he wants to be the one in the limelight. Or he's catching some major kickbacks from people to do it and is worrying about his honeydew pot drying out.

You miss the point. The One Laptop Per Laptop effort is not-for-profit. Not-for-profit companies only recoup enough to cover expenses. The laptops are given away to the children, not sold. Intel wants to make a profit on the effort, that is not a win-win for the countries or people's having to pay for them. Dell makes a cheap laptop, why not just tell the 3rd world countries to order one from www.dell.com?!



Sorry dude. "Not-for-profit" is a complete sham and always has been.

My uncle makes over 6 figures US, as a principal at "not-for-profit" schools ($20K US / year tuition. Even for grade 1.....) for rich American families who are working overseas.

Instead of showing a net profit at the end of the fiscal year like a normal business, they just spend it all on equipment, wages, bonuses, living expenses, vacations, etc. before year end.

This is for the good of whom exactly?
 
Oh, and the intel laptop isn't cheaper. Also, it's technologically inferior (unless you're running SuperPi or something, it should be a lot faster at that. I don't think anyone has done head-to-head benchmarking yet though).
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That has to be the most foolish, least provable remark I've heard about this entire issue. The CPU itself is the father to the Core 2 Duo, albeit, a toned down version of the Pentium M. Intel mobile CPU's are far more advanced than those of AMD. The Celeron M is sold in mainstream laptops from companies such as Dell and HP. Has anyone ever seen the AMD Geode processor in anything? What you said is FUD and furthermore, is a complete and total lie.

Edited for tone.
 
IIRC, things like that can actually drain the power faster. Consistent use wears out the battery slower that constant and quick power on power off.
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This is true but it depends on the usage pattern and device and how the suspend is accomplished. With no fans or platters to spin up the penalty for resuming from suspend should be pretty small and if you leave capacitors charged while suspended by breaking the circuit after the capacitor instead of letting them drain by breaking the circuit at the power source that will reduce the penalty as well (I dunno if the xo does this though). The timeout before suspend may have to be tweaked (dynamically by the application being run might be nice) and documents that lend towards putting lots of information on the screen in one "page" to allow the device to suspend longer would give longer battery life.

350milliwatts for meshing is pretty impressive. But I wonder if by $10 for "the radio" if they mean the entire wireless router sub-component with it's ARM chip and all or if they are being sneaky and the really mean *just* the radio.

<200ms resume time would be better IMO. 300ms kinda slow. Fast enough for turning pages in a novel or upper-grade text book but if you're actively navigating something like an html-based document those resume times would get slightly annoying. Still a lot faster than the forumz though! :)

these things are supposed to have a good battery, I read somewhere, so that's not really an issue.

about the speed, when 1/3 sec is slow, you know you're spoiled! :)
 
funny, most of your posts sound much the same way. 😛 :lol:

Whats that beer? I couldnt hear you through all that muffled interference. You are simply going to have to pull that dingle berry out of your mouth. 8O

Really man was that a necessary post? If you have nothing to contribute other than that then dont post at all.
 
First, sorry I didn,t have the time to read the whole thing.
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Now that's why we need to lock up the thread nobody can just let it die it's all been said over and over now we have another "I did'nt have time to read the whole thing" crank it up again.
 
Oh, and the intel laptop isn't cheaper. Also, it's technologically inferior (unless you're running SuperPi or something, it should be a lot faster at that. I don't think anyone has done head-to-head benchmarking yet though).
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That has to be the most foolish, least provable remark I've heard about this entire issue. The CPU itself is the father to the Core 2 Duo, albeit, a toned down version of the Pentium M. Intel mobile CPU's are far more advanced than those of AMD. The Celeron M is sold in mainstream laptops from companies such as Dell and HP. Has anyone ever seen the AMD Geode processor in anything? What you said is FUD and furthermore, is a complete and total lie.

Edited for tone.

Technologically inferior?

Flasher you do know that AMD's Geode was born out of a Cyrix MediaGX right?

The OLPC uses only a 433MHz CPU and doesn't even use the Athlon XP-M derived Geode NX.

OLPC is Pentium MMX / AMD K6 era technology, with some updates and higher clocks.

Pentium M is Pentium III (P6). Just a few years newer......
 
Let me see if I have your complaint correct...
1) Someone started a program to sell cheap system to third world countries in hopes of raising the computer literacy rate in those areas.
2) Another company had the audacity of offering one of those countries an even cheaper alternative.

I fail to see the problem here. It sounds like a win win situation for the kids in these areas. At a cheaper price, the governments are even more likely to go along with purchasing the systems for the kids in their countries. Hopefully, they will buy even more of them at this cheaper price. Since that is Dr. Negroponte's stated goal, what is the error? Is he just annoyed the someone else is the one to do it? Is he worried that someone may steal some of his spotlight or headlines?
Click to expand...

I was thinking the same thing. Sounds like he wants to be the one in the limelight. Or he's catching some major kickbacks from people to do it and is worrying about his honeydew pot drying out.

You miss the point. The One Laptop Per Laptop effort is not-for-profit. Not-for-profit companies only recoup enough to cover expenses. The laptops are given away to the children, not sold. Intel wants to make a profit on the effort, that is not a win-win for the countries or people's having to pay for them. Dell makes a cheap laptop, why not just tell the 3rd world countries to order one from www.dell.com?!



Sorry dude. "Not-for-profit" is a complete sham and always has been.

My uncle makes over 6 figures US, as a principal at "not-for-profit" schools ($20K US / year tuition. Even for grade 1.....) for rich American families who are working overseas.

Instead of showing a net profit at the end of the fiscal year like a normal business, they just spend it all on equipment, wages, bonuses, living expenses, vacations, etc. before year end.

This is for the good of whom exactly?

Non-profit organizations are a sham? I suppose then that the millions of dollars and time and effort by hundreds of thousands of volunteers for organizations like the Red Cross, March of Dimes, Goodwill, Catholic Charities, Shriners, Knights of Columbus, Amnesty International, Better Business Bureau, IEEE, ACLU, Howard Hughes Medical Center, and Habitat for Humanity, to name a few, are all shams? Tell that to the little kid with birth defects? Tell that to the families living in the home they help build? Go tell the technology industry that the standards set by the IEEE are a sham. Go on, tell them all...

Take a moment to actually read about the OLPC project before making such a jaded and generalized statement about the good intentions and hard work of a lot of people who hope to do something useful in the world. When was the last time you volunteered or donated time and money to a worthy cause?

Using your uncle is a poor example of non-profits being a sham. Fact is the average salary for a principal in a public school is well over 6 figures, so your Uncle's salary isn't as extravagant as you think. What does "rich American families" have to do with anything anyway?
 
18 pages of discussion doesn't change the fact that Dr. Negroponte approached Intel and asked them to be a partner in the OLPC; and, 18 pages of discussion doesn't change the fact that Intel turned him down.

Now, Intel is in the dubious position of being caught and accused of copying and undercutting the efforts of a non-profit organization.

Argue it any way you want, that's really fv*ked up.
 
This Thread is so perfectly named.... I was reading thru this page 18 of posts, and I just started cracking up. I've been laughing for 5 minutes. It's too much! LOL

😛 😱 😛 😱 😛 :lol: 😱 😛 :?: 😱 8O 😛 😛 aaaagghhh
 
The poor should learn to work a little harder and smarter instead of wasting so much time complaining about how the rich are keeping them down. They would not be so poor and could buy their own computers
 
The poor should learn to work a little harder and smarter instead of wasting so much time complaining about how the rich are keeping them down. They would not be so poor and could buy their own computers
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Oh? That's funny, the degree I want to obtain from University costs $52,000, which I can't afford. Excuse me for trying to better myself, but unfortunately I'm just part of a system that's designed to keep the poor poor and the rich rich.

Working harder? Tell that to the Sri Lankan fisherman who just finished an 18hr boat trip and now has to walk home in the mountains 20kms away because the 2004 tsunami washed away his house near the beach and the money that was supposed to help him rebuild it got lost in beuracratic red-tape.

As for working smarter? Well people can't do that if they can't afford the education to find out how, can they?...

I can only hope that when karma catches up to you it's going to be merciful; lest you break a bone from the fall to rock-bottom.
 
Let me see if I have your complaint correct...
1) Someone started a program to sell cheap system to third world countries in hopes of raising the computer literacy rate in those areas.
2) Another company had the audacity of offering one of those countries an even cheaper alternative.

I fail to see the problem here. It sounds like a win win situation for the kids in these areas. At a cheaper price, the governments are even more likely to go along with purchasing the systems for the kids in their countries. Hopefully, they will buy even more of them at this cheaper price. Since that is Dr. Negroponte's stated goal, what is the error? Is he just annoyed the someone else is the one to do it? Is he worried that someone may steal some of his spotlight or headlines?
Click to expand...

I was thinking the same thing. Sounds like he wants to be the one in the limelight. Or he's catching some major kickbacks from people to do it and is worrying about his honeydew pot drying out.

You miss the point. The One Laptop Per Laptop effort is not-for-profit. Not-for-profit companies only recoup enough to cover expenses. The laptops are given away to the children, not sold. Intel wants to make a profit on the effort, that is not a win-win for the countries or people's having to pay for them. Dell makes a cheap laptop, why not just tell the 3rd world countries to order one from www.dell.com?!



Sorry dude. "Not-for-profit" is a complete sham and always has been.

My uncle makes over 6 figures US, as a principal at "not-for-profit" schools ($20K US / year tuition. Even for grade 1.....) for rich American families who are working overseas.

Instead of showing a net profit at the end of the fiscal year like a normal business, they just spend it all on equipment, wages, bonuses, living expenses, vacations, etc. before year end.

This is for the good of whom exactly?

Non-profit organizations are a sham? I suppose then that the millions of dollars and time and effort by hundreds of thousands of volunteers for organizations like the Red Cross, March of Dimes, Goodwill, Catholic Charities, Shriners, Knights of Columbus, Amnesty International, Better Business Bureau, IEEE, ACLU, Howard Hughes Medical Center, and Habitat for Humanity, to name a few, are all shams? Tell that to the little kid with birth defects? Tell that to the families living in the home they help build? Go tell the technology industry that the standards set by the IEEE are a sham. Go on, tell them all...

Take a moment to actually read about the OLPC project before making such a jaded and generalized statement about the good intentions and hard work of a lot of people who hope to do something useful in the world. When was the last time you volunteered or donated time and money to a worthy cause?

Using your uncle is a poor example of non-profits being a sham. Fact is the average salary for a principal in a public school is well over 6 figures, so your Uncle's salary isn't as extravagant as you think. What does "rich American families" have to do with anything anyway?

I never said these organizations didn't do any good.

I said they were a sham. As in it implies they do things for the good of mankind and not money.

Which is exactly what you were implying.

You used the fact OLPC is not-for-profit as an arguement that they mean to do good and making money is not a motivator.

I think that is bullsh1t.

These companies have EMPLOYEES NOT VOLUNTEERS, and they make good money.

I have volunteered countless times myself. What does that have anything to do with it? I didn't say volunteer organizations did I?

What does "rich American families" have to do with anything? Well my question was how does catering only to rich American families who work overseas benefit mankind? (Or do you not consider paying $20,000 US per year, per child for grades 1-12 expensive?)

They are non-profit, so they must not be doing it for the money and have good intentions right?
 
The poor should learn to work a little harder and smarter instead of wasting so much time complaining about how the rich are keeping them down. They would not be so poor and could buy their own computers
Click to expand...

Oh? That's funny, the degree I want to obtain from University costs $52,000, which I can't afford. Excuse me for trying to better myself, but unfortunately I'm just part of a system that's designed to keep the poor poor and the rich rich.

Working harder? Tell that to the Sri Lankan fisherman who just finished an 18hr boat trip and now has to walk home in the mountains 20kms away because the 2004 tsunami washed away his house near the beach and the money that was supposed to help him rebuild it got lost in beuracratic red-tape.

As for working smarter? Well people can't do that if they can't afford the education to find out how, can they?...

I can only hope that when karma catches up to you it's going to be merciful; lest you break a bone from the fall to rock-bottom.

In the US, an education from a major University can be had for far less than $52,000. In state tuition rates for the middle tier of major Universities is not that much, and you can get a loan to float the whole cost as well as housing. You won't be able to go to any university you want, but you will get a quality education. I haven't even started on the trade schools and community colleges, which can provide even less expensive education, though obviously not of major University grade.

With this said, if you're in another country, I don't know the cost of higher education.
 
The poor should learn to work a little harder and smarter instead of wasting so much time complaining about how the rich are keeping them down. They would not be so poor and could buy their own computers
Click to expand...

Oh? That's funny, the degree I want to obtain from University costs $52,000, which I can't afford. Excuse me for trying to better myself, but unfortunately I'm just part of a system that's designed to keep the poor poor and the rich rich.

Working harder? Tell that to the Sri Lankan fisherman who just finished an 18hr boat trip and now has to walk home in the mountains 20kms away because the 2004 tsunami washed away his house near the beach and the money that was supposed to help him rebuild it got lost in beuracratic red-tape.

As for working smarter? Well people can't do that if they can't afford the education to find out how, can they?...

I can only hope that when karma catches up to you it's going to be merciful; lest you break a bone from the fall to rock-bottom.

In the US, an education from a major University can be had for far less than $52,000. In state tuition rates for the middle tier of major Universities is not that much, and you can get a loan to float the whole cost as well as housing. You won't be able to go to any university you want, but you will get a quality education. I haven't even started on the trade schools and community colleges, which can provide even less expensive education, though obviously not of major University grade.

With this said, if you're in another country, I don't know the cost of higher education.

Nicely put. I'll go a step further and say that a full four year degree could be acquired for $0 out of your own pocket. How? Get a technical cert, put in your time building experience, then get with a company willing to pay for your tuition. Happens all the time... :)

P.S. Ok, so it will cost you some $$ to get a technical cert, but we're talking <$10k in most cases.

P.S.S. Die Thread Die!!!!
 
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