Intel - stopping poor children from getting computers

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The lack of a federally regulated leash on Intel will create something we all dont like. The SEC needs to promote some amendments in law. Intels megalomaniacle vision for itself in the future will pain us all if they succeed. Its far healthier for all of us if AMD becomes as large as Intel and Intel is forced to petition for a role in such programs.
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so you're saying its time for the government to step in and say who can sale what to whom? Whats next? Curfews because more crime happens at night? I stated earlier that AMD needs to really back this project for their own benefit and for the benefit of the world at large.

I am saying Intel has a god complex that needs to be destroyed.AMD has an angel complex. They think they can do no wrong. :wink:
 
I think it's all BS. As if these kids (in third-world countries) need a computer....they need food, shelter, and medications/vaccinations. $130 would probably feed a kid for 6months-a year. :x :x
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Yes they do need those things you mentioned but if they are to ever to get out of poverty then they are going to have to have an education and these laptops could help to provide that. Really the governments of these countries need to step up and provide for their people.
...when their governments are all engaged in corruptions and wars?

to be honest, i'm really skeptical about this OLPC "humanitarian" effort. in my opinion, this OLPC is just another ploy by AMD to raise their "goody" image.

of course those african children need to get educated. but who is willing to get educated, when they're starving, having infectious diseases, and dying everyday for no reason? who's going to sit down and really use that 130 bucks laptop, when they can use the same money to increase their living standard?

to be honest, i think AMD is missing the priority here. education is important, but so is sanitation and safety.

also, as someone already pointed out, if this is a non-profit effort to benefit those children in africa, then why would you care if someone can offer the same or better product, at a lower price?

this gentleman really needs some morality lessons.
 
The lack of a federally regulated leash on Intel will create something we all dont like. The SEC needs to promote some amendments in law. Intels megalomaniacle vision for itself in the future will pain us all if they succeed. Its far healthier for all of us if AMD becomes as large as Intel and Intel is forced to petition for a role in such programs.
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so you're saying its time for the government to step in and say who can sale what to whom? Whats next? Curfews because more crime happens at night? I stated earlier that AMD needs to really back this project for their own benefit and for the benefit of the world at large.

I am saying Intel has a god complex that needs to be destroyed.


Wow, I can imagine if I said that. I'm glad someone did. With great power comes great responsibility. Intel has loads of the former but has no idea where to aquire the latter, it seems.
 
Actually, I don't care whether any free laptops are given out or whether Intel helps or hurts this effort. And when I say don't care I mean not at all.
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That's a shame. Really, it is.
I was simply responding to your initial comment because it was clear that you had no idea what you were talking about Not-for-profit companies only recoup enough to cover expenses.
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and that was in response to a post that stated
I was thinking the same thing. Sounds like he wants to be the one in the limelight. Or he's catching some major kickbacks from people to do it and is worrying about his honeydew pot drying out.
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You don't know whether Negroponte has a personal financial stake in this endeavor so don't act like you do. It's the "expenses" that would be in question. I am not implying anything, I am just pointing out that it is naive to make the statement that you made above. Apparently you only read enough of my post to formulate your response.Please just stop. I never claimed to know what Negroponte's financial intentions are so please don't presume. By IRS regulation non-profit organizations can only re-coup expenses; it's not a naive statement, it's fact. Again, I appreciate your attempt to "educate" me, but enough already.
 
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If Intel was undercutting HP, Dell, Toshiba, or Panasonic to deliver low cost laptops to 3rd world countries it would be a totally different story. But in this case, Intel is undercutting a non-profit organization...that's just messed up. Get it now?
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so you're saying that its ok for corporations to under cut one another and you reap the benefits, but if a corporation under cuts a non-profit and that market can get benefits its messed up? And before you say it, this is true because competition is good for the consumer it always is. Yes its bad for the non-profit, and obvouisly bad for Intel (coming solely from the response i've seen here).

Plus does it matter why (solely in business aspects this doesn't work for actual people) as long as these kids get a chance to improve their life?

C'mon, be real. Of course it's messed up for a large for profit corporation to undercut the efforts of a non-profit. An open market with for profit companies competing for your dollars is one thing, but leveraging influence, market power, and brand recognition to edge out a non-profit organization solely to sell more product is egregious. There is no point you can make to justify otherwise.

If for some reason you think Intel should undercut the efforts of the OLPC in an effort to sell more processors, please volunteer a few hours at the local soup kitchen or animal shelter before replying.
 
Actually, I don't care whether any free laptops are given out or whether Intel helps or hurts this effort. And when I say don't care I mean not at all.
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That's a shame. Really, it is.
I was simply responding to your initial comment because it was clear that you had no idea what you were talking about Not-for-profit companies only recoup enough to cover expenses.
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and that was in response to a post that stated
I was thinking the same thing. Sounds like he wants to be the one in the limelight. Or he's catching some major kickbacks from people to do it and is worrying about his honeydew pot drying out.
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You don't know whether Negroponte has a personal financial stake in this endeavor so don't act like you do. It's the "expenses" that would be in question. I am not implying anything, I am just pointing out that it is naive to make the statement that you made above. Apparently you only read enough of my post to formulate your response.Please just stop. I never claimed to know what Negroponte's financial intentions are so please don't presume. By IRS regulation non-profit organizations can only re-coup expenses; it's not a naive statement, it's fact. Again, I appreciate your attempt to "educate" me, but enough already.
It's not really a shame, there are several things that are considerably higher on the list of needs for people in developing countries than computers, as was said earlier. Obviously I will not be able to make you understand, the EXPENSES are not controlled. Why can't you understand that just having nonprofit status doesn't mean that you can't have high salaries and lavish expense accounts etc., all perfectly within the tax law. I posted a link and a quote for you, didn't you read any of it :?: The whole issue here is your naive statement that you continue to cling to about since it has nonprofit tax status that somehow no one is making enough money to live very well. I'm not saying making enough to live on, I'm saying live VERY well. I work in DC and I see these "nonprofits" regularly. The more I see the more I want to start one, only for the good of man kind of course.
 
It's not about the cost of the laptop.... Desktop, whatever. It's the cost of the infrastructure. What would it cost to put every child in sub-saharan Africa online, even at the most basic data rates? ie, 2400 baud modem...

You can give every child in the world a computer fairly cheaply. Bill Gates could do it all by himself. But it they don't have the power to run it off of, and if they do don't have a way to interconnect, then its no better than a good solar powered scientific calculator.

That's the crux of the problem, so quit whinging about amd vs. intel and the poor kiddies.... Bring in the big guns, the Ciscos, Junipers, SonyEricssons, Nokias, etc. and get a meshed comms network that is useful and cheap.

Without a comms system, your most powerful cpu is useless.

My 2p...
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OLPC IS a mesh communication network you nitwit!!!

Why is every person who is defending Intel here also demonstrating a huge lack of understanding for the OLPC project, it's goals, and it's challenges? This project has been underway for years and has designed a device from the ground up to be usable in places with NO electric infrastructure and NO network infrastructure so that children can learn and have access to information on an OPEN system without being financially obligated to support industries. The only people making any money on OLPCs is the ODM. No one else makes anything on it for years. The system is open, the software is open, the network is open, and they draw so little electricity and use Ni-MH which are tolerant of dirty power sources so a small village should be able to afford to generate it's own electricity. No Intel, (or AMD, they could switch to Samsung if they wanted), no Microsoft, no AT&T, and no Haliburton or Exxon. 5 or more years from now they will need a new battery to maintain portability and that's unfortunately unavoidable with current technology. If Intel had wanted to get in on a project like this they could have developed a better mobile processor and offered it to the OLPC project at a lower cost, but they didn't. Instead they are trying to compete with a project that they could be collaborating on and it's disgusting.

Grab a clue people. Your high-school level of understanding of capitalistic theories is no substitute for understanding what is actually happening in the real world.
 
Actually, I don't care whether any free laptops are given out or whether Intel helps or hurts this effort. And when I say don't care I mean not at all.
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That's a shame. Really, it is.
I was simply responding to your initial comment because it was clear that you had no idea what you were talking about Not-for-profit companies only recoup enough to cover expenses.
Click to expand...
and that was in response to a post that stated
I was thinking the same thing. Sounds like he wants to be the one in the limelight. Or he's catching some major kickbacks from people to do it and is worrying about his honeydew pot drying out.
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You don't know whether Negroponte has a personal financial stake in this endeavor so don't act like you do. It's the "expenses" that would be in question. I am not implying anything, I am just pointing out that it is naive to make the statement that you made above. Apparently you only read enough of my post to formulate your response.Please just stop. I never claimed to know what Negroponte's financial intentions are so please don't presume. By IRS regulation non-profit organizations can only re-coup expenses; it's not a naive statement, it's fact. Again, I appreciate your attempt to "educate" me, but enough already.
It's not really a shame, there are several things that are considerably higher on the list of needs for people in developing countries than computers, as was said earlier. Obviously I will not be able to make you understand, the EXPENSES are not controlled. Why can't you understand that just having nonprofit status doesn't mean that you can't have high salaries and lavish expense accounts etc., all perfectly within the tax law. I posted a link and a quote for you, didn't you read any of it :?: The whole issue here is your naive statement that you continue to cling to about since it has nonprofit tax status that somehow no one is making enough money to live very well. I'm not saying making enough to live on, I'm saying live VERY well. I work in DC and I see these "nonprofits" regularly. The more I see the more I want to start one, only for the good of man kind of course.

This is a project by a university. The people running this project have jobs with or without OLPC. There is NO financial interest for them in running the OLPC project. They would make just as much money researching the intricacies of giant squid mating practices. Your arguments are invalid because you don't understand what you're talking about. Many of these people are on the MIT payroll with or without OLPC. They don't loose anything if OLPC fails (except maybe bragging rights). They want OLPC to succeed because they care. They have made several hard decisions abandoning profitability strategies to make this a no-strings-attached product to benefit impoverished children. You can tell this is true just by looking at the BOM for an OLPC.

Sometime it isn't just about the money...
 
The sadist thing is now there will be a buncho 3rd world fanboys waring over who has the best craptop...
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Oh god, that's funny.

I can see the little indonesian children fighting now:
"my Intel laptop is 5x as powerful as your OLPC"
"my AMD laptop cost 1/3rd as much and has a has a wireless mesh router, and besides Intel is a greedy monopolistic barf-face"
"You're just jealous because my Intel Laptop can do super-pi in half the time yours can and AMD is a for-profit company too they're just not as good at it and I heard that Hector is the devil incarnate"
"yeah, well your laptop uses 3x as much electricity to do it"
"who cares, it still runs for the same amount of time on battery"
"yeah well at least my batteries won't EXPLODE and are good for 2-3 more years than yours"
"Oh, whatever, in RL the Ni-MH only last like 1.7years longer, everyone knows Li-Ion is superior."
etc
 
Intel is ruthlessly going after untapped market. They dont care one iota about Negrponte's purity of vision.
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its good business, i don't agree with it, but if you don't like it move to cuba where there is no free market. every thing in your life (assuming your not from a communist country) is a result of this same thing. small independ companies/non-profits getting shut down their dreams smashed by larger companies/corporations who can make it fast, "better" but provide us with the benefits of competition. for example image a world with out Apple. Billy boy would have us still using windows 3.1 because there is no reason to keep improving his product. business is ruthless end of story

It's NOT better. Do you even know what the current OLPC design is??? It's an independent device. Once a child owns one they never have to pay anyone for anything ever again (except batteries, but OLPC choose the best compromise between efficiency, low-toxicity, safety, and longevity, to minimize this impact). The intel laptop uses a lot more electricity, has batteries that wear out in half the time, doesn't have a mesh network, and runs WinXP. Hmm, WinXP won't even be supported in a few years... they will have to pay to migrate to Vista Lite or get hacked because their software infrastructure is written for windows. Or re-write their entire software infrastructure. They will have to pay more for electricity and batteries to a point where it necessitates large infrastructure and deals with large companies instead of projects that can be undertaken and maintained by the communities that actually use the device. They will have to have network infrastructure installed to get connectivity.

Intel went from not being interested to pushing out a product ahead of OLPC for one reason: to lock emerging markets into situations where they are dependent on large corporations for support.

Give a person a fish and you feed him for a day (basic subsistence charity such as food and medical relief)

Teach a person to fish and you feel them for a lifetime (education charity such as OLPC)

But why do that when you could beat up the guy trying to teach people to be self-sufficient and sell them a fish laced with heroin and have a life-long customer?! Come on, a Li-Ion battery lasts 18months and has to be recharged with clean power requiring more expensive chargers that waste more electricity. What a great present for an impoverished child. :roll: And I'm not even getting into the "present" of an OS that won't be supported by the end of this year.
 
also, as someone already pointed out, if this is a non-profit effort to benefit those children in africa, then why would you care if someone can offer the same or better product, at a lower price?
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That would be great. Too bad it's an INFERIOR product with an initial pricetag THREE TIMES that of the OLPC and with all kinds of strings attached to keep buying stuff to keep it running for years to come.

YOUR CAPITALISTIC THEORIES ARE NO SUBSTITUTE FOR PAYING ATTENTION TO WHAT IS *REALLY* HAPPENING IN THE WORLD. While your snug in your bed dreaming of Mr. Ford and his capitalistic ideals people are DYING and they don't even have enough education to understand why they are dying and they have no way of educating themselves. WAKE UP.

I think capitalism is great. Blocking competitors from a market so you can sell an inferior product for a greater profit and financially enslave entire cultures for generations to come is NOT capitalism.
 
1st -- Nearly any company/board on the open market would sell their mothers (or worse) for a clear decisive position of authority/leader/dominance. (notice I said NEARLY). I would group the beloved AMD in that category too. Make NO mistake about it this thread was opened as an AMD vs. Intel shot.

2nd -- The object of the OLPC was to get a connected laptop to as many children as possible while keeping the price at the hoped for $100 mark. Intel has accomplished this. They are even cheaper than that of OLPC (atm).

3rd -- Companies like AMD gain NOTHING from this :) Thats funny :) AMD NameSpace anyone? Of course they gain nothing from this. That is why they have Negroponte speak at their seminars for GLOBAL VISION. No nothing underhanded at all going on there. :) No name recognition in this space either. Just throw an estimated 2 Mill at a problem and you get the lead for the device to speak for you.

4th -- Intel would have done the same as above if it only cost them 2 Million. Intel is in it for GLOBAL name recognition. If these kids do become educated (provided they get the equipment in the first place) then some may likely be purchasing equipment later on in life.

5th -- Looks like Negroponte is doing this for free. On several occasions he has stated he takes "no salary". So I "may" recant my previous statement in my previous post.. However this may be a rather clever use of words. I withhold judgment as the popularity gained by this effort will surely be worth its weight in gold.

I guess what I am getting at is there are really very few "nice guys" in industry. You will hear of the occasional 1/2 Mill here 10 Mill there and especially during times of public outcry/discourse. If you have been around long enough you see the money come and go at seemingly opportune times.
 
OLPC IS a mesh communication network you nitwit!!!

Why is every person who is defending Intel here also demonstrating a huge lack of understanding for the OLPC project, it's goals, and it's challenges? This project has been underway for years and has designed a device from the ground up to be usable in places with NO electric infrastructure and NO network infrastructure so that children can learn and have access to information on an OPEN system without being financially obligated to support industries. The only people making any money on OLPCs is the ODM. No one else makes anything on it for years. The system is open, the software is open, the network is open, and they draw so little electricity and use Ni-MH which are tolerant of dirty power sources so a small village should be able to afford to generate it's own electricity. No Intel, (or AMD, they could switch to Samsung if they wanted), no Microsoft, no AT&T, and no Haliburton or Exxon. 5 or more years from now they will need a new battery to maintain portability and that's unfortunately unavoidable with current technology. If Intel had wanted to get in on a project like this they could have developed a better mobile processor and offered it to the OLPC project at a lower cost, but they didn't. Instead they are trying to compete with a project that they could be collaborating on and it's disgusting.

Grab a clue people. Your high-school level of understanding of capitalistic theories is no substitute for understanding what is actually happening in the real world.
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very well said. nice to see not everyone here is an Intel retard.
 
OLPC IS a mesh communication network you nitwit!!!

Why is every person who is defending Intel here also demonstrating a huge lack of understanding for the OLPC project, it's goals, and it's challenges? This project has been underway for years and has designed a device from the ground up to be usable in places with NO electric infrastructure and NO network infrastructure so that children can learn and have access to information on an OPEN system without being financially obligated to support industries. The only people making any money on OLPCs is the ODM. No one else makes anything on it for years. The system is open, the software is open, the network is open, and they draw so little electricity and use Ni-MH which are tolerant of dirty power sources so a small village should be able to afford to generate it's own electricity. No Intel, (or AMD, they could switch to Samsung if they wanted), no Microsoft, no AT&T, and no Haliburton or Exxon. 5 or more years from now they will need a new battery to maintain portability and that's unfortunately unavoidable with current technology. If Intel had wanted to get in on a project like this they could have developed a better mobile processor and offered it to the OLPC project at a lower cost, but they didn't. Instead they are trying to compete with a project that they could be collaborating on and it's disgusting.

Grab a clue people. Your high-school level of understanding of capitalistic theories is no substitute for understanding what is actually happening in the real world.
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very well said. nice to see not everyone here is an Intel retard.

LOLOL..
 
Do you have any proof to back up that bunch of bullshit you call a post?
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do you have any proof you're not an arrogant dipshit?

I didn't think so

Whoa whoa... No need for the personal attack.. I think that everyone hear is entitled to their view, and to voice their opinion. I'm sure you could formulate some sort of a rebuttal with a more effective and constructive outcome than this...
 
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