Intel To Unveil 8th Generation Core Processor 'Coffee Lake' Family August 21

[AgentLozen]

everything everyone's been saying

freak777power is a troll either deliberately or... undeliberately (I think that's the word for it). Please stop analyzing what he says. You're both better people than freak deserves to have argue over his crap.

 

[the nerd 389]

I'll second the comment on freak777power. He/she has consistently commented on almost every CPU article for the last few months, and I can count the number of productive comments on one hand (less a few fingers). He's made at least 25 comments on the Ryzen release/Intel response.

He/she may honestly believe what he/she's saying, or may not. If it's the former, be glad it's not your money he/she's spending, as he/she is clearly not investing the time to actually look into these products. It's not our responsibility to address people's willful ignorance; that's up to them and them alone. If it's the latter, it's not worth the time it takes to counter his statements.

That said, it'd be nice if the mods could address this. However, it's unlikely that they will, as everyone is entitled to their own opinion and has the right to ignore any evidence contradicting their beliefs.

It's also worth mentioning that the comments I've seen tend to be either half-truths or pure speculation. This makes it less likely that the mods will step in, no matter how misleading/misled/inflammatory the comments are.

 

[MCMunroe]

I'm happy Intel feels like it needs to increase core counts which it could have done a very long time ago. Thanks AMD for making Intel pick up the pace. Got to love competition coming back to CPU's again.

Anyone else find a 30% increase in performance by adding 50% more cores(4 to 6) a little weird to boast about?

I had a troubled experiment with putting a spare i7-4770k into a 35W form factor tiny PC. Basically given a starved TDP, going from 4C4T to 4C8T didn't accomplish much.

CPU-Z Benchmark
Computer	CPU		        Single	Multi	      Basic Specs
		   	score     score     TDP	Core/Threads	GHz Base	GHz Boost*
Optiplex 3020	i3-4350T	1340	3147	35	2/4          3.1		3.1		
Optiplex 3020	i7-4770K	1726	5460	35	4/8	       3.5		2.8
Optiplex 3020	i5-4770K	1641	5117	84	4/4	       3.9		3.8

So if much else is the same with the CPU's adding Cores forces reduced frequency.

 

[MCMunroe]

.... And I just ordered my new Kaby Lake Laptop.

Well if you *needed* a new laptop now, then there's not much you could have done about it. A Coffee Lake powered laptop won't be available for several months after the desktop chips are released. This is based on history of previous mobile CPU releases after the desktops.

Went from an HP OMEN i7-4710HQ to a Dell XPS 15 i7-7700HQ. From two days of playing with it, the CPU "upgrade" is the most underwhelming part of the new laptop.

 

[Guest]

Coffe Lake i3 4 core with no HT with base Clock of 4.0Ghz and turbo of 4.5Ghz unlocked will beat entire Ryzen line in gaming. It will tear down 1800x like there is no tomorrow in every game there is. 95% of people care about just that and for the price of $170 will make AMD to look like a joke. Afterall 4 cores is enough for 95% of people with other work than Gaming.

AMD wanted to play jokes with Intel, wait until Intel pulls one on AMD...it will be quite laughable.

 

[TMTOWTSAC]

Well, that clears that up.

 

[bit_user]

freak777power is a troll

Huh. So, I guess the effect of the brownies and Mario Kart 64 wore off?

 

[Brian_R170]

I was hoping that Intel would take the opportunity to simplify their product naming and features and make the lineup with i3/i5/i7 series having 2/4/6 cores, respectively. Then make hyper-threading, cache-size, clock-speed, TDP, unlocked-multiplier, etc. be the differentiators within each series. From all the comments, it doesn't look like that's the case.

 

[kinggremlin]

You should not take me out of context, you are creating a straw man argument here. I said they did the right thing for their business. And I believe Intel hires some very intelligent financial analysts who also agree with me. Would you agree?

I always find these arguments on tech sites a little out-of-place. If this was a forum for share holders or market traders then absolutely, let's all praise big-business for their profit-maximisation strategies. But we're not (most of us) shareholders, we're tech enthusiasts. Surely what most of us want to see is innovation that opens up the potential for new experiences or new workflows, or progress with aggressive value for money that makes higher performance tiers accessible to a broader array of consumers?

Closed standards, vendors lock-ins and strategically managed drip-feed performance increments might be "good business", but generally speaking they stifle progress and are bad for the tech enthusiasts and bad for consumers.As tech enthusiasts I think we should be calling companies out when they do this, not praising them.

The people who make these arguments are people who don't live in a vacuum and are able to see the whole picture for what it is. Intel spends over 3 billion dollars a quarter on R&D. That money doesn't just fall out of the sky for Intel to use. AMD's quarterly revenue is barely 1/3 that. Intel has 1000's of highly compensated world class engineers who have to design and build the CPU's and chipsets that people here seem to think is some trivial matter. Assuming you have a job, I would think you would want the company you work for to maximize revenue so they can afford to pay you more.

How exactly do you determine that Intel is charging more than they should? Because you don't want to pay X $'s for a 10 core CPU you have no need for, but simply want so you can post it in your signature like anyone cares what's in your desktop? Don't decide based on AMD's prices. They haven't had a profitable quarter since 2014. You can see the results of having no R&D budget on the Radeon side of company with the underwhelming Vega that is over a year late and still no where near the performance of a 1080ti. It took Intel hitting a wall years ago, for AMD to catch up on the CPU side. The way GPU performance is increased means there is no such wall forthcoming for Nvidia. If AMD doesn't get their act together immediately, it's going to be a one horse race at the highend for years to come.

All the forum warriors can rant on about how AMD is kicking Intel's ass all over the place, but the fact is, undercutting the competition by 40% for no particular reason is an idiotic business decision. Who only buys a CPU if it is 40% cheaper for similar performance? AMD could have just as well undercut Intel by 25% and sold about the same number of CPU's. They're leaving money on the table that they can afford to leave. AMD needs to turn a profit very soon. If they can't increase R&D expenditures, pay off their long term debt and pay enough top level engineers to compete, then we will all lose going forward. But who cares about that? You're not a stockholder, you're an enthusiast that saved a few hundred bucks on an unneeded CPU today. That's what really matters.

If Intel brags about $3b per quarter in R&D but how much do they spend on bribes, racketeering, and market manipulation (a.k.a. manufacturer rebates, loyalty discounts, and monogamy incentives)? If you saw the numbers I would not be surprised to find out it's way higher than their R&D budget. Bought & paid for by single minded Intel fanatics too blind to see you have to buy a $1,000 processor to get more PCI-E lanes than you had 10 years ago! That's not the providing the best product value, that's using a monopoly to scalp your consumer base.

And why does Intel not brag about how much they spend quarterly on market manipulation? Oh yeah, I know -- because it's illegal!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=osSMJRyxG0k

So this is what you do on these boards all day? Vote down every post that says something negative about AMD or positive about an AMD competitor, vote up every pro AMD post or anti AMD competitor post, and then just make up absurd conspiracy theories and state them as fact though no evidence exists to substantiate them? It's a wonder THG allows posters like you to lower the quality of discussions on their site and turn them into fanboy pissing matches instead of intelligent debates about current invents in the tech industry.

 

[bit_user]

I was hoping that Intel would take the opportunity to simplify their product naming and features and make the lineup with i3/i5/i7 series having 2/4/6 cores, respectively.

It'll never happen. Intel's marketing has settled on the use of Celeron/Pentium/i3/i5/i7 as an indicator of how high-end a chip is, within its market. They play with the variables you mentioned, in order to cover the range with different SKUs. They don't want to be constrained by the names actually having to mean something.

It's sort of understandable, but still unfortunate. SemiAccurate.com has a running-joke of referring to these model numbers as iSomethingMeaningless.

 

[bit_user]

BTW, nobody is talking about what's probably the most interesting (technically) aspect of Coffee Lake, probably best explained here:

https://www.google.com/patents/WO2016191031A1?cl=en

Will it improve your frame rates? Probably not. My guess is that it's aimed at facilitating always-on speech recognition, by improving its power-efficiency. Of course, it could also be useful for batch-processing large volumes of data streams in the cloud.

 

[mapesdhs]

To put it another way: the Intel marketing and financial departments are a bunch of mindless jerks who will be the first against the wall when the revolution comes.

In my head you sound like Stephen Fry. 😀

 

[mapesdhs]

... They don't want to be constrained by the names actually having to mean something.

It's sort of understandable, but still unfortunate. SemiAccurate.com has a running-joke of referring to these model numbers as iSomethingMeaningless.

That's why I loathe Intel's CPU naming scheme for laptops, so many CPUs one would think are going to be quad core because of the CPU name are just dual-core.

 

[ranggamndl]

wtf was intel thinking? i3 4C/4T no HT?

 

[ddferrari]

What happened to Steve Carell's arms?

 

[jn77]

Still waiting for 6 core 12 thread i7's for laptops.... or for that matter a Ryzen laptop processor at this point....

 

[AgentLozen]

Still waiting for 6 core 12 thread i7's for laptops.... or for that matter a Ryzen laptop processor at this point....

It would be cool if you could have a 6 core laptop in your back pocket. You could do your video editing ANYWHERE! My concern is that a 6 core laptop would produce a lot of heat and suck up a lot of power. I bet Intel will make a 6 core mobile CPU, but it would produce a fat laptop with less battery life.

 

[hok]

I wish Samsung would make a desktop chip and take both these clowns down...

 

[JamesSneed]

I wish Samsung would make a desktop chip and take both these clowns down...

Can wish all you want but they would first have to get a x86 license from Intel to have any chance of making a desktop chip that people would buy. The only way that ever happen is if they buy AMD.

 

[JonDol]

Now that's less than a week ahead. Any unboxing slides like for the AMD's latest offerings ?