Intel Vs. AMD

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There are More of us "dedicated dont care what Intel does" people out there than you know...Proud owner of a 6000+ and wont ever switch to Intel darkside of the force! Crysis runs fine on my setup 1920 x 1200 all high settings.
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Indeed! I my self own a 3800+ and couldn't be more happy. However... I was more or less referring to the people who... well I still think this quote sums it up:
AMD runs cooler, and more stable which leads to a greater O'clock %.
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I'll add another vote for:

Get a pentium dual core E21x0 to get you started and drop in a Penryn quad core early next year.


That's my plan anyway...
 

+1!!!!!!!!!!
 
I'm pretty sure 3.2 is nearing the max for an AMD processor based on their current manufacturing technology... realistically, what sort of OC can a user expect out of that 6400+? It just seems like virtually every other Intel CPU on the planet is going to have a LOT more OC'n headroom that this particular AMD chip.
 
Okay here is how I see it.
AMD
CPU = $180 + $20 HSF
Mobo = $80

Intel
CPU = $270
Mobo = $100 for p35 one

So if you look at those 2 you have about ~$90 difference, assuming you would have basically the same memory, case, and drives. You than would have $90 more to spend on a GPU over the Intel based one. This $90 might get you to move up from a 8600gts (by budget) to a 3850(70) or even a 8800gt (if you were spending ~$150 on the GPU). Now I'd be willing to bet that if you have a 6400+ AMD and a 8800gt that you'd score better than a q6600 and an 8600gts (no OC'ing involved). If this was the case than I'd recommend the AMD setup. If the OP wanted to OC later, it would be still hard to recommend the Intel setup. If this ~$90 difference wasn't too big of a deal than the q6600 would make more sense. Now if OC'ing was involved than a e6550 or e6750 would make more sense to get than a q6600, IMHO. Yes you'd lose the 2 cores, but would also drop the difference between the 2 rigs to almost nothing. If the OP already had a AM2 mobo, than I would suggest the 5000+ BE or the 6400+ BE, since the OP would probably already have a HSF that could work, thus saving at least $20 onto the build plus the cost of the mobo. If the OP is just building from the ground up on this than one can argue either way and still be right. It just depends on budget and where the OP wants to go with this build.
 
Ok i build systems for a living here are real prices

Q6600 = 250
Phenom = 310, 375

1st thing i can buy a q6600 cheaper than then phenom's
And a good motherboard for amd= same price as good motherboard for intel

Sure i can buy a $60 mb that will support the q6600 but thats not the argument here its cpu prices
and intel will beat amd on all gaming benchmarks thats what counts.

Sure suppliers will soak us because its new so will places like best buy.
 

The Op ask about Q6600 or X2 64 B.E ,not Phenom.Lets not beat a dead horse with a stick
 
So if you look at those 2 you have about ~$90 difference, assuming you would have basically the same memory, case, and drives. You than would have $90 more to spend on a GPU over the Intel based one.
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You could carry that argument further and eventually reach ideal game performance in something like -
x2 3800+ CPU $63
AM2 o/c motherboard $80
8800gtx $490

With this you can run a current game at the best possible settings for that budget, but your computer wouldn't be very good for anything else.

So comparing the price of Q6600 to x2 6400+ is comparing apples to oranges. The latter may hold its own in 1-2 threads at stock, but the reason for a Q6600 is to have room for the 3rd and 4th threads, which the 6400+ doesn't have, as well as to o/c, which the 6400+ is known to fail quickly at. Otherwise, we'd have brought up Exxxx chips right away.
 

First off, the q6600 is $280 here on newegg.com. The Phenom 9500 is at $260 on newegg, so not sure where your getting the 310-375 price?
Secondly, you must always consider all of the components when doing a build. If your just asking about an AMD AM2 CPU to a AMD AM2 CPU comparison, than the other components don't matter too much. But in this case if your comparing a Intel to AMD CPU, than you need to consider all parts involved to see what your comparing to. Yes the q6600 is a solid CPU to get, but if part of the equation is that you must consider any price differences than you have to look at that. If you want to compare mobo's at the equivalent prices (AMD vs. Intel) than we can discuss that somewhere else, but you know that a $100 AMD mobo will have more options than a $100 Intel board for the most part. I'm not going to go into that here. even if you equal the cost of the mobo's, you still have a ~$70 difference, which can allow one to move up in GPU performance one way or another. That is why I stated what I stated before. I'd be willing to bet that a 8800gt w/a $180 AMD CPU would do better in games than a 8600gts on a q6600. Those 2 systems would be about the same amount of $ and that was my original point stated earlier.
 
Ok, sorry, couldn't resist the urge to step away from this thread. I have been a computer enthusiast for many many years now and I've seen the ages of the P and PII along with the classic Athlons, as well as most of you here. I have to say that this is all through point of view and experiences of users from past situations mixed in with, of course, a little passion. I have loved and owned processors from both ends. I ain't no fan boy! Just around two years the market was for AMD with their unbeatable 64bit and x2 processors and intel having heat issues with their P4 and PD/PEE. We saw how awesome and efficient AMDs were at that time. Now the table has turned, now Intel released their C2D and now they are awesome and efficient. What it comes down to is that one company produced a wonderful product while the other scrambles to provide competition in the market and then they releases a wonderful product and the previous company now scrambles to compete. I just say go for the one that best suites your needs: from OC'ing to Heat/power efficiency. comparing AMD to intel is like comparing batman with superman, sure their great in their own way and has strengths that the other lacks. Just my two cents.
 
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Ive got to be the balancing act here, too many intel bandwagon faboys on these forums. Who cares if it gives you 2 more frames per second in this game or that. Where were you fanboys when Amd was kicking the crap out of Intel P4s couple years ago. Next year Phenom 3 + Ghz quad cores will own penryn...Let the flames begin...LOL
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Dude, you forgot to take your pills this morning....
 

I totally agree with you here. I have 3 AMD's and 1 Intel (3.2g prescott) here at the house. Forgot the Core Duo on my laptop that I'm currently using. So that's 3 AMD's and 2 Intel's total. The only reason I have the Prescott is because it was handed to me, so that made my build cheaper at the time (about $230 cheaper). It has been a solid and hot chip (had to replace PSU due to high temperatures). The next build/upgrade is to an Intel e6700 (got for free too), so that is why I'll have another Intel build. Currently I buy what I can get for as little as I can, so I can afford the best GPU that I can get. If I was going to buy a cheap Intel chip right now, I'd go for the the e2160 and OC it to about 3 gig's. AMD just can't touch that performance right now at that price. The only drawback to the Intel way is the cost of the mobo. In order to get an affordable mobo from Intel that could OC well would cost me about $90 or so (abit ip35-e). The flip side is the AMD's don't OC as nicely as the current C2D's, so that has to be considered. Now with Phenom out, one can make a pretty good decision on which path to go to. If I had the $ to decide between the x2 6400+ BE or the q6600, I'd have to go with the q6600 hands down. /end of rant
 


the intels will clock higher and perform clock for clock better as well.
 
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