Intel: We Were Hacked Too

[daggs]

[citation][nom]zachary k[/nom]i don't think it was china, it was probably AMD. you think AMD has breakthroughs? lol[/citation]
mmm let see, first to get 64 bit desktop cpu out, first to get true quads (intel's first are two dual ducted taped along side) without amd, your current line of cpus would have been in the best case second generation pentium 4...
until next survey, the world's 3 strongest computers are amd based...
so your right, amd has stole all of it's breakthroughs...

 

[aford10]

Intel is a huge company. I wouldn't be surprised if someone is always trying to hack them. There's too many people out there, with too much time on their hands.

 

[JPForums]

[citation][nom]Daggs[/nom]mmm let see, first to get 64 bit desktop cpu out, first to get true quads (intel's first are two dual ducted taped along side) without amd, your current line of cpus would have been in the best case second generation pentium 4...until next survey, the world's 3 strongest computers are amd based...so your right, amd has stole all of it's breakthroughs...[/citation]

Native quad core isn't exactly a breakthrough. It's more of a logical next step in multicore. Owning the three top super computers isn't exactly a breakthrough. It just means the computer architects are good at what they do. Processor type is only one criteria in this design. While this does suggest AMD has a very good product, I'm not seeing the breakthrough here. However, there are plenty of breakthroughs that AMD does have.

1) AMD64 - AMD wasn't the first to 64bit computing out, but they did do it in such a way that the existing x86 software library wouldn't become instantaneously unusable. This is a breakthrough of sorts. Intel license this as EMT64, but they were not alone in their belief that the consumer market would be better off with a new (read not x86) architecture. However, the majority has spoken and IA64 has been relegated to specialized professional applications.
2) IMC - AMD was the first out with an integrated memory controller. The fact that Intel later embraced this advancement speaks to its significance.
3) Hyper transport - AMD wasn't inventor of this technology, but rather part of the group that specified it. Nonetheless, using it to supplant the aging front side bus was noteworthy. Intel's QPI is an ill conceived knock off of HT. It has a single improvement over HT that saves it a hop of latency in relatively small number of situations, but apparently Intel missed something in implementation making multiprocessor motherboards scale less than optimally (WashU case study). Further, there was nothing but pride preventing them from using HT in the first place. Well, I suppose there are interoperability concerns, but that's a complicated topic.
4) There are more, but I think this gets the point across nicely.

On the other hand, Intel has a number of firsts as well.
1) MMX - more of a clever trick than a breakthrough, but still somewhat significant.
2) SMT - Symmetric multithreading wasn't exactly Intel's pet project, but they did use it to good effect in the P4 line and made major improvements to it in the Core i7 line. They renamed it hyper-threading to make it sound new.
3) Powergating - rater than develop a more expensive fabrication process like silicon on insulator SOI, Intel chose the use of powergating as a major mechanism to get their leakage currents under control. While far from the only mechanism in use, powergating is in large part responsible for the ability of Intel's latest processors to shutdown unused cores and overclock the others. If powergating hadn't been developed to the point it is, shutting down a core wouldn't save enough of a power/thermal envelop for Intel to be comfortable overclocking the others.
4) Again, further examples are available, but unnecessary.

 

[Shadow703793]

[citation][nom]zachary k[/nom]first, nvidia is the one with the graphics, hacking intel for a graphics breakthrough? even more lol.second, i count AMD and ATI as different entities because they do separate things. i would think that they have separate main offices and data centers.[/citation]
First, you sir, are an idiot. Second, when did I mention Intel getting hacked for their graphics? I mentioned Nehalem which is a CPU. However, you said "you think AMD has breakthroughs?" and since AMD and ATI are the same thing now, yes DX11 is considered part of AMD. Third, no one cares if you consider it as two separate companies, the fact is in reality they are one and the same except different branding (ie for example how Honda is to Acura).

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2) IMC - AMD was the first out with an integrated memory controller. The fact that Intel later embraced this advancement speaks to its significance.

Intel came up with IMC first, however AMD made the first "successful" IMC.

 

[Shadow703793]

[citation][nom]zachary k[/nom]first, nvidia is the one with the graphics, hacking intel for a graphics breakthrough? even more lol.second, i count AMD and ATI as different entities because they do separate things. i would think that they have separate main offices and data centers.[/citation]
First, you sir, are an idiot. Second, when did I mention Intel getting hacked for their graphics? I mentioned Nehalem which is a CPU. However, you said "you think AMD has breakthroughs?" and since AMD and ATI are the same thing now, yes DX11 is considered part of AMD. Third, no one cares if you consider it as two separate companies, the fact is in reality they are one and the same except different branding (ie for example how Honda is to Acura).

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2) IMC - AMD was the first out with an integrated memory controller. The fact that Intel later embraced this advancement speaks to its significance.

Intel came up with IMC first, however AMD made the first "successful" IMC.

 

[tommysch]

[citation][nom]Shadow703793[/nom]Damn.... now the Chinease can build a copy of Nehalem II/sarcasmAt any rate, it's amazing how many companies/websites get attacked by crackers (There IS a difference between hackers and crackers. Too bad the media has corrupted the original meaning of "hacker" ).[/citation]

Maybe on a 12 inch square waffle @ 120 nm lol

 

[daggs]

[citation][nom]JPForums[/nom]Native quad core isn't exactly a breakthrough. It's more of a logical next step in multicore. Owning the three top super computers isn't exactly a breakthrough. It just means the computer architects are good at what they do. Processor type is only one criteria in this design. While this does suggest AMD has a very good product, I'm not seeing the breakthrough here. However, there are plenty of breakthroughs that AMD does have.1) AMD64 - AMD wasn't the first to 64bit computing out, but they did do it in such a way that the existing x86 software library wouldn't become instantaneously unusable. This is a breakthrough of sorts. Intel license this as EMT64, but they were not alone in their belief that the consumer market would be better off with a new (read not x86) architecture. However, the majority has spoken and IA64 has been relegated to specialized professional applications.2) IMC - AMD was the first out with an integrated memory controller. The fact that Intel later embraced this advancement speaks to its significance.3) Hyper transport - AMD wasn't inventor of this technology, but rather part of the group that specified it. Nonetheless, using it to supplant the aging front side bus was noteworthy. Intel's QPI is an ill conceived knock off of HT. It has a single improvement over HT that saves it a hop of latency in relatively small number of situations, but apparently Intel missed something in implementation making multiprocessor motherboards scale less than optimally (WashU case study). Further, there was nothing but pride preventing them from using HT in the first place. Well, I suppose there are interoperability concerns, but that's a complicated topic. 4) There are more, but I think this gets the point across nicely.On the other hand, Intel has a number of firsts as well.1) MMX - more of a clever trick than a breakthrough, but still somewhat significant.2) SMT - Symmetric multithreading wasn't exactly Intel's pet project, but they did use it to good effect in the P4 line and made major improvements to it in the Core i7 line. They renamed it hyper-threading to make it sound new.3) Powergating - rater than develop a more expensive fabrication process like silicon on insulator SOI, Intel chose the use of powergating as a major mechanism to get their leakage currents under control. While far from the only mechanism in use, powergating is in large part responsible for the ability of Intel's latest processors to shutdown unused cores and overclock the others. If powergating hadn't been developed to the point it is, shutting down a core wouldn't save enough of a power/thermal envelop for Intel to be comfortable overclocking the others.4) Again, further examples are available, but unnecessary.[/citation]
first 64 bit desktop cpu... you've failed to see the word
also, when comparing amd's first quads against intel's first quads, then amd's are a breakthrough because they were true quads.

 

[rambo117]

I'll bet Nvidia did it 😛

 

[killerb255]

[citation][nom]Shadow703793[/nom](There IS a difference between hackers and crackers. Too bad the media has corrupted the original meaning of "hacker" ).[/citation]

A lot of words get corrupted over time. Examples are:

1) "Band-Aid." This is a brand name, but it's used for any stick-on bandage regardless of whether or not it has the "Band-Aid" brand name.

2) "Tylenol." This might be region-specific, but it's often used for any pain reliever containing acetaminophen.

3) "Moron." At one time, this was used in the psychiatric community in a non-pejorative manner. Now it's an insult. "Idiot" also falls under this category.

4) "Gay." At one time, this had a meaning completely irrelevant to homosexuality.

5) "Ho." This was used frequently in Shakespearean works, and was completely irrelevant to today's meaning.

Also the reverse can apply:

1) "Suck." This is used so often, that it is no longer associated with its original sexual meaning, but used to describe anything in a negative context.

 

[amarok]

Dear Intel,
I have never been hacked, cracked, hijacked or marooned
- seems to me, that I'm better than you to control and use a computer..
;-)

 

[nebun]

ok, so why would any company keep their sensitive file on a machine that's connected to the internet? this makes no sense to me. sensitive info should not be stored on machines which have access to the internet, they should be connected to a local network withing the company, the company should have machines dedicated to internet surfing and machines on which sensitive data is stored. once companies implement this type of security then it would be better for the whole world. the same idea would also benefit banks, but this would also require a person to actually take the info from the net machine and input it on the machine which is connected to a local network. i know that it's double the work but it would create a hell of a lot of jobs and no one would ever have to worry about their info every being stolen.

 

[warezme]

[citation][nom]Shadow703793[/nom]Yes, it's called bringing the first DX11 cards to market.[/citation]

In the old days, DX11 would have mattered. Now game companies are to busy designing for the Xbox and PS3 on ancient hardware. DX11 and extra pretty visuals and effects need not apply, those machines can't handle it.

 

[drowned]

[citation][nom]nebun[/nom]ok, so why would any company keep their sensitive file on a machine that's connected to the internet? this makes no sense to me. sensitive info should not be stored on machines which have access to the internet, they should be connected to a local network withing the company, the company should have machines dedicated to internet surfing and machines on which sensitive data is stored.[/citation]

*Ahem* It's widely known that the government (in the form of contractors) already does this for sensitive stuff. I assume regular companies not affiliated with the government would do this as well out of common sense.

 

[Shadow703793]

[citation][nom]warezme[/nom]In the old days, DX11 would have mattered. Now game companies are to busy designing for the Xbox and PS3 on ancient hardware. DX11 and extra pretty visuals and effects need not apply, those machines can't handle it.[/citation]
True that.

 

[Guest]

It was the NSA