News Intel's next-gen Nova Lake CPUs will seemingly use a new LGA1954 socket

[rluker5]

I believe it's way more than you're thinking. Also, this forum has proven it time and time again.

I myself have through the entire Ryzen CPU line using only 3 different motherboards. I actually didn't have to change one of them, but I did just because. We're talking 5 different CPUs. I plan on dropping in a 9800X3D onto my B650e motherboard. This will hold me over until until the next generation. It'll be awesome to only need 3 motherboards to go a decade and 5 different CPU architectures. IMO

Sounds like either a shopping problem like my mom who has some hoarding issues, or a long nightmare of unacceptable pc issues. 12700k to 13900kf was enough to show me that the upgrading money was better spent elsewhere. Before the 12700k I was on a 5775c and that wasn't that big of an upgrade in real life use. Just a few problematic games (that list has grown since, just in 2021 it was just a few).

 

[thestryker]

Well, I can't speak for the average user, but you would be surprised how many enthusiasts actually use all the lanes in their motherboards for I/O.

Want 10Gbit NIC? Want USB4 or at least 10Gbps ports? Want RAID5? Want a small homebew NAS? Want more than 4 NVMe ports with add-in cards? And so on and so forth.

In my case, I have 3 NVMes and 3 sATA drives and I ran out of "normal" lanes, so I sacrificed the X16 to X8 and the lane splitting is real.

It's not overblown or a stretch to say AMD needs to pick up the slack for enthusiasts. Intel is not much better. The jump from the regular consumer platform to the workstation is too damn much and they need to close the gap.

Regards.

I want to preface this by saying I absolutely want client systems to have more lanes or at least a PCIe 5.0 x8 connection to the chipset.

The only thing that's actually going to max out an Intel chipset is 100Gb networking + PCIe 4.0 NVMe or transferring locally between multiple PCIe 4.0 NVMe drives. With AMD the bar is lower due to the link being PCIe 4.0 x4.

It's not overblown or a stretch to say AMD needs to pick up the slack for enthusiasts. Intel is not much better.

Intel is actually significantly better than AMD when it comes to connectivity. I assume it's likely due to the DMI lanes on the W/Z/H chipsets being PCIe 4.0 x8.

Examples:
W680 board: 2x PCIe 5.0 (16 lanes split), 2x PCIe 3.0 (4 lanes each), 3x M.2 NVMe, 4x SATA, 1x SlimSAS (can be either 4x SATA or 1x PCIe 4.0 x4)

W880 board: 2x PCIe 5.0 (16 lanes split), 1x PCIe 4.0 x4, 4x M.2 NVMe, 4x SATA, 1x SlimSAS (can be either 4x SATA or 1x PCIe 4.0 x4)

 

[drivinfast247]

Sounds like either a shopping problem like my mom who has some hoarding issues, or a long nightmare of unacceptable pc issues. 12700k to 13900kf was enough to show me that the upgrading money was better spent elsewhere. Before the 12700k I was on a 5775c and that wasn't that big of an upgrade in real life use. Just a few problematic games (that list has grown since, just in 2021 it was just a few).

No, not really. I enjoy tech and seeing what advances each generation brings. Some upgrades weren't that noticeable while some were night and day. I was able to sell my old parts, or use them to build a nice PC for friends for cheap.

Sounds like you have a problem with Intel not giving enough if a performance uplift per CPU generation. Not to mention the fact of the constant need for a new motherboard.

 

[rluker5]

No, not really. I enjoy tech and seeing what advances each generation brings. Some upgrades weren't that noticeable while some were night and day. I was able to sell my old parts, or use them to build a nice PC for friends for cheap.

Sounds like you have a problem with Intel not giving enough if a performance uplift per CPU generation. Not to mention the fact of the constant need for a new motherboard.

I haven't had any night and day level upgrades since my 4770k over an Athlon 5600+. Compare the 4770k to the 13900kf. I think that is a bigger jump than the 1800x to the 9950X3D on paper, but in real life both offer a decent experience. You might be exaggerating. But I may have to upgrade my daughter's 4770k due to Windows support reasons, which she will fuss about because she is still happy with it. (5775c also was more of a sidegrade over the 4770k, which I apparently forgot begore getting the 13900kf).

I think needing to replace the mobo helps some avoid wasting money on sidegrades. One can sell the mobo just like the CPU, but it just sems like a bigger deal, even if the price is generally less.