Is a Intel Core i7-5820K (Overclocked to 4.2Ghz) better than a stock Intel Core i7-6700K ?

[ObelixThe]

I am just about to make a major PC [upgrade] purchase. I came across this PC Version Of 'Metal Gear Solid V: The Phantom Pain' Out On Same Day As Consoles article while browsing inside tom's hardware. The recommended specs include a i7-4790 processor which is incredible because its so brand new. It got me thinking will a 6700K become recommended hardware for games within 2 years' time?

I was decided about the 6700K +GTX970. [http://pcpartpicker.com/user/ObelixThe/saved/#view=rCGzK8]

Should I rather opt for a 5820K and OC it to 4.2+ Ghz? [http://pcpartpicker.com/user/ObelixThe/saved/#view=4tPWGX]

If I can OC the i7-5820K to a stock 6700K's clock speed then will it be better than the 6700K?

I am more inclined towards the Skylake because it is newer and slightly cheaper than a Haswell-Extreme build.

However, I really enjoy Strategy games with massive maps and 8 [or more] players with huge numbers of units.

So I am wondering if I can get some expert advice whether or not a overclocked 6-Core 5820K would be superior to a stock 6700K?

For the GPU I am probably buying either the GTX 970 or the R9 390X.
For the PSU I am considering between the CM V750S and V850 models.
I really like the Inwin Case so that's what I am getting.
For motherboard if I buy X99 I will get the Asus x99-A. For skylake I'll get the Gigabyte Gaming7.
For RAM 16GB G.Skill DDR4-3000 [8GB x2 or 4Gb x4].
I am kinda scared of the kind of CLC failures I read about so I will stick with a cheap aircooler like the 212X or 412 slim.

Any and all suggestions, advice are most welcome and appreciated.

 

[ObelixThe]

Honestly, anything above an i5 for pure gaming is pointless. HT has little effect on games.

I'd agree (if I had ever used a Core i cpu 😉 )

Been reading the reviews and benchmarks on 6700K & 5820K. X99 is an old chip and no newer CPUs for it. I'd feel assured if at least it'd support the Skylake-E. Whereas, there could be better CPUs for the LGA1151. Plus, going with Skylake I can just barely fit the GTX 980 Ti [MSI Twin Frozr V or, Gigabyte G1 Gaming] in my budget. That should be good for at least 3 years' gaming at Ultra settings, right? It also fits in my plan to switch to a 4K TV I am planning to buy when prices become more reasonable.

Skylake e, like haswell e will be on a different socket. Buying a 6700k over a 4790k is honestly a waste of money, you will get almost the same fps out of a 4790k for less money.

I hear your concern, my friend.

I am thinking that the 4790K uses DDR3 ram and if I buy now I will most likely get 16GB as its dirt cheap. But think 5 yrs from now when I am upgrading the whole setup then won't it be better if i had DDR4 ram I could re-use?

If I am gonna go with an older dead-end chipped motehrboard then I'd rather stick with the Haswell-E. But I then have to make some concessions like a cheaper PSU, cheaper case, no SSD (for the time being). So Just for the sake of discussion, say I bought the 5820K. Could I use the GTX 980 Ti with a 750Watt Tier#1 PSU?

 

[LookItsRain]

Honestly, anything above an i5 for pure gaming is pointless. HT has little effect on games.

I'd agree (if I had ever used a Core i cpu 😉 )

Been reading the reviews and benchmarks on 6700K & 5820K. X99 is an old chip and no newer CPUs for it. I'd feel assured if at least it'd support the Skylake-E. Whereas, there could be better CPUs for the LGA1151. Plus, going with Skylake I can just barely fit the GTX 980 Ti [MSI Twin Frozr V or, Gigabyte G1 Gaming] in my budget. That should be good for at least 3 years' gaming at Ultra settings, right? It also fits in my plan to switch to a 4K TV I am planning to buy when prices become more reasonable.

Skylake e, like haswell e will be on a different socket. Buying a 6700k over a 4790k is honestly a waste of money, you will get almost the same fps out of a 4790k for less money.

I hear your concern, my friend.

I am thinking that the 4790K uses DDR3 ram and if I buy now I will most likely get 16GB as its dirt cheap. But think 5 yrs from now when I am upgrading the whole setup then won't it be better if i had DDR4 ram I could re-use?

If I am gonna go with an older dead-end chipped motehrboard then I'd rather stick with the Haswell-E. But I then have to make some concessions like a cheaper PSU, cheaper case, no SSD (for the time being). So Just for the sake of discussion, say I bought the 5820K. Could I use the GTX 980 Ti with a 750Watt Tier#1 PSU?

You could, yes. Even with both overclocked.

 

[nikoli707]

not sure where or how you guys are interpreting cpu information. clock for clock skylake made the biggest jump over its previous gen since sandy bridge. saying going that going with haswell over skylake because of a minuscule difference in performance is like saying go with ivy bridge over haswell. and that is not even counting overclocking performance. only sandy bridge was this way where on average with the same cooler motherboard etc the unlocked sandy drop in would clock 0.2ghz higher than the ivy drop in, thus equaling the ipc performance increase with a minor clock boost.

unless you are a professional where time is money and you need render times that are 30 seconds and cant stand a 40 second render, or your bluray to mp4 time dropped from 40 minutes to 30 minutes, i dont see the point in the 6 core and is high premium.

i would rather game on a locked i5-4460+980ti than game on a 5960x@5.0ghz+gtx980 any day of the week.

 

[ObelixThe]

not sure where or how you guys are interpreting cpu information. clock for clock skylake made the biggest jump over its previous gen since sandy bridge. saying going that going with haswell over skylake because of a minuscule difference in performance is like saying go with ivy bridge over haswell. and that is not even counting overclocking performance. only sandy bridge was this way where on average with the same cooler motherboard etc the unlocked sandy drop in would clock 0.2ghz higher than the ivy drop in, thus equaling the ipc performance increase with a minor clock boost.

unless you are a professional where time is money and you need render times that are 30 seconds and cant stand a 40 second render, or your bluray to mp4 time dropped from 40 minutes to 30 minutes, i dont see the point in the 6 core and is high premium.

i would rather game on a locked i5-4460+980ti than game on a 5960x@5.0ghz+gtx980 any day of the week.

Another Skylake promoter, ah a second perspective 😀

So between the 6700K+980Ti and 5820K+970, which do you feel would be the most value for money / bang for buck, say for a period of 5 years with no CPU upgrades in the meantime?

I will of course upgrade the GPU after 2-3 years.

 

[spentshells]

both cpu's will offer very similar gaming results the gpu's however would not, one being quite a bit better than the other

 

[nymzy]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VDo-j00vUtw
this video will explain the performance diffrence, the 5820k is not benchmarked in the vid but the 4790k is.
the 4790k is faster than the 5820k when it comes to single core performance so the diffrence between the 6700k and 5820k will be even bigger.

games don't utilize more than 4 cores, so having a 6 core doesn't have a benefit in gaming.
and don't forget the hyperthreading, it is technically a 8 core and how many games out there use more then 8 cores? they don't exist yet.
only the frost and cry engine use more then 4 cores as far as i know. and it will take a long time before the majority of the games use more than 8 cores.

 

[Exeonx]

The I7-5820K beats skylake, but if you are only planning to do gaming there is no need to go with the X99 chipset, as they are for video editing and servers, sure they work in gaming, and preform very well, but why pay more money(the motherboards tend to be 200€ more) for something that isn't going to preform noticibly better in gaming?

In fact I7 vs I5 isn't that much diffrent in gaming, Rather then spending the money on your CPU focus on your GPU, Get the 6600K or 6700K depending on how much more you're willing to spend, but the diffrence between the 6600K and the 5820K in gaming is not that noticible, but you are looking at a price difference of 350€/$ with which you could instead of your 370-400€ 970GTX get a 980GTX TI for 750-770€/$ and the difference would be way bigger then what the CPU's have to offer.

That's just my opinion there, GPU's will have 90% of the impact in most games, and even CPU heavy games would be no real problem for the 6600K especially not if you O.C it

Also for PSU i'd rather recommend the EVGA supernova G2 750W/850W models then corsair models, which have been on decline in the last years, going down the tier list on this site, the EVGA is simple better in both preformance, quality and price

 

[nikoli707]

people forget that the 4790k can beat a 3930k in certain highly threaded programs that are using the updated instruction sets. in 5 years its definitely possible that the 6700k and its newer instrution sets end up matching or beating a 6 core haswell.

i personally dont use highly threaded apps so i would rather have faster single core performance and better overclocking headroom of the 6700k and save some money rather than have a 5820k.

of course, if you have the extra money to throw at a 6 core and the extra money for cooling to help clock it to 4.5ghz then by all means its an excellent option that will more than perform. its just going to cost on average $200 more.

 

[ObelixThe]

if you have the extra money to throw at a 6 core

Definitely I don't

if you have the extra money for cooling

Nope

 

[ObelixThe]

@nymzy

Thx for the youtube link. Watching more reviews and videos on my OP question.

The upcoming Mirror Effect and SW Battlefront would I think use at least 4 cores, So having a CPU with 6-core would make my PC more smooth while playing the game I can switch to desktop and browse the net for walkthroughs, maybe run a antivirus scan (just as an example).

 

[ObelixThe]

@Exeonx

Thx for the PSU suggestion. I did not in fact state that I would buy Corsair PSUs. Rather the Cooler Master V Series [either 750W or the 850Watt Seasonic platform].

Not just gaming, for example, I encode bluray movies into smaller files using the HEVC codec and I'd like much faster encoding times.

Would a CM Hyper 212X or a 412 Slim be an adequate cooler for a 5820K? If I did a mild OC to 4.0 Ghz??

 

[ObelixThe]

@nikoli707

I have been throwing some ideas around and came up with some different builds within my budget. I believe I can get both the GTX 980 Ti AND the 5820K. Would the Cooler Master Hyper 412 Slim be sufficient cooling for the 5820K if I were to OC to 4.0 Ghz ?



Thank you all for your input. Much appreciated 😀

 

[nikoli707]

i would say the hyper 412 slim should be able to get to 4.2ghz on the 5820k. if you really can afford a 980ti and have extra money for the 5820k then go for it.

 

[ObelixThe]

So many best answers to choose from

I would attract the moderators or senior members' attention and respectfully ask them to choose the best answer please. Thank you

 

[LookItsRain]

You cant go wrong with any cpu choice recommended in this thread, the last bit of advice i can give you is, buy the platform that you can get the best gpu on and can do without exploding your wallet.

 

[Guest]

http://news.softpedia.com/news/ASUS-Formally-Launches-X99-E-WS-LGA-2017-A-Motherboard-with-Skylake-Support-458632.shtml

This will support skylake-e just take any high end asus x99 mobo not need to be the e ws my vote goes for the rampage v exteme and there you have it as for gpu if you have a 1080p monitor stick with the 970 buy pascal/volta cards when you want to go for higher resolutions anyways you will have a very high end platform 😉
The 980 ti is not worth it in my opinion thou def better than titan x in price/performance xD
The reason games dont support more than 4 cores was that consoles had less cores new consoles have 8 core and games like battlefield 4 or ashes of the singularity already use more than 4

Thou i agree gpu matters the most thoes great price/performance over 1080p gaming cards are not released jet 😀

Im in the same shoes and i will go this rout

 

[LookItsRain]

http://news.softpedia.com/news/ASUS-Formally-Launches-X99-E-WS-LGA-2017-A-Motherboard-with-Skylake-Support-458632.shtml

This will support skylake-e just take any high end asus x99 mobo not need to be the e ws my vote goes for the rampage v exteme and there you have it as for gpu if you have a 1080p monitor stick with the 970 buy pascal/volta cards when you want to go for higher resolutions anyways you will have a very high end platform 😉
The 980 ti is not worth it in my opinion thou def better than titan x in price/performance xD
The reason games dont support more than 4 cores was that consoles had less cores new consoles have 8 core and games like battlefield 4 or ashes of the singularity already use more than 4

Im in the same shoes and i will go this rout

That socket has nothing to do with skylake at all, the extra pins are there to improve overclocking stability, not skylake support. Skylake-e, will be on a different socket.

 

[Guest]

Skylake e will support lga 2017 socket if this is that than it supports it can also be some kind of lie on the site i trust it thou i agree its a gamble

 

[TallestJon96]

Haswell-E is better than skylake in raw performance, but in games it is a virtual tie.

An i7-6700k with a gtx 980 ti will have more than 50% more performance than a i5-5820k setup with a 970, and it will be cheaper.

To me, if it comes down to having an Haswell-E build at the cost of GPU performance, go with the skylake build. Many, including myself, would argue that even the i7 is over kill compared to an i5, but that's another topic. The i7-6700k is a really safe choice.

 

[Guest]

Op originally wanted to go with gtx 970 so i assume using it for an already owned 1080p monitor the 980 ti is overkill for that
I would say only for gaming i7 6700k if thats cheaper (where i live the i7 5820k is much cheaper) and for 1080p you dont need more than the 970 spend the money for something else and check out pascal or volta cards when they come out

 

[ObelixThe]

You cant go wrong with any cpu choice recommended in this thread, the last bit of advice i can give you is, buy the platform that you can get the best gpu on and can do without exploding your wallet.

Thank you

 

[ObelixThe]

Haswell-E is better than skylake in raw performance, but in games it is a virtual tie.

An i7-6700k with a gtx 980 ti will have more than 50% more performance than a i5-5820k setup with a 970, and it will be cheaper.

To me, if it comes down to having an Haswell-E build at the cost of GPU performance, go with the skylake build. Many, including myself, would argue that even the i7 is over kill compared to an i5, but that's another topic. The i7-6700k is a really safe choice.

On a youtube gaming benchamrk I saw that the 5820K performs better (albeit only slightly) than the 6700K in games that use the Cry/Frostbite engines. In the rest of the games the 6700K performs better.

In my OP the components I used could only accomodate a GTX970 with the 5820K, yes, but since then I have moved parts around and downgraded some and I believe I can fit a 980 Ti (the gaming g1). I will just get a cheaper case and a smaller mechanical hdd. I will keep the SSD since its a major performance upgrade. Its true that on 1080p gaming, the 980 Ti is overkill. But I have been gaming for a long time without eye-candy and I am fed up.

Op originally wanted to go with gtx 970 so i assume using it for an already owned 1080p monitor the 980 ti is overkill for that
I would say only for gaming i7 6700k if thats cheaper (where i live the i7 5820k is much cheaper) and for 1080p you dont need more than the 970 spend the money for something else and check out pascal or volta cards when they come out

TBH, 5 years later I will probably retire from the gaming scene altogether as I reach another age milestone Responsiblities are already eating into my free time So pascal/volta or whatever comes out of nvidia most probably I won't care about.

 

[ObelixThe]

My Final Build based on all you guys' most valuable input, my own preferences, and what is available...

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i7-5820K 3.3GHz 6-Core Processor ($299.99 @ Micro Center)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 412 Slim 58.4 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($61.15 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Asus X99-A ATX LGA2011-3 Motherboard ($239.99 @ B&H)
Memory: G.Skill TridentX 32GB (4 x 8GB) DDR4-2800 Memory ($259.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 850 EVO-Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($89.75 @ OutletPC)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($47.98 @ Best Buy)
Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce GTX 980 Ti 6GB Video Card ($688.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Case: Cooler Master 690 III ATX Mid Tower Case
Power Supply: Cooler Master VSM 750W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($89.99 @ Micro Center)
Total: $1777.83
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-08-29 20:55 EDT-0400

Pcpartpicker didn't have the option so I listed 32GB actually I will be buying [8GB x2] 16GB RAM.

 

[LookItsRain]

Looks good to me.

 

[Speedstang]

My Final Build based on all you guys' most valuable input, my own preferences, and what is available...

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i7-5820K 3.3GHz 6-Core Processor ($299.99 @ Micro Center)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 412 Slim 58.4 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($61.15 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Asus X99-A ATX LGA2011-3 Motherboard ($239.99 @ B&H)
Memory: G.Skill TridentX 32GB (4 x 8GB) DDR4-2800 Memory ($259.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 850 EVO-Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($89.75 @ OutletPC)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($47.98 @ Best Buy)
Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce GTX 980 Ti 6GB Video Card ($688.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Case: Cooler Master 690 III ATX Mid Tower Case
Power Supply: Cooler Master VSM 750W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($89.99 @ Micro Center)
Total: $1777.83
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-08-29 20:55 EDT-0400

Pcpartpicker didn't have the option so I listed 32GB actually I will be buying [8GB x2] 16GB RAM.

At 1080p, that should max out any game today on Ultra settings. 😀