Is a Intel Core i7-5820K (Overclocked to 4.2Ghz) better than a stock Intel Core i7-6700K ?

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I am just about to make a major PC [upgrade] purchase. I came across this PC Version Of 'Metal Gear Solid V: The Phantom Pain' Out On Same Day As Consoles article while browsing inside tom's hardware. The recommended specs include a i7-4790 processor which is incredible because its so brand new. It got me thinking will a 6700K become recommended hardware for games within 2 years' time?

I was decided about the 6700K +GTX970. [http://pcpartpicker.com/user/ObelixThe/saved/#view=rCGzK8]

Should I rather opt for a 5820K and OC it to 4.2+ Ghz? [http://pcpartpicker.com/user/ObelixThe/saved/#view=4tPWGX]

If I can OC the i7-5820K to a stock 6700K's clock speed then will it be better than the 6700K?

I am more inclined towards the Skylake because it is newer and slightly cheaper than a Haswell-Extreme build.

However, I really enjoy Strategy games with massive maps and 8 [or more] players with huge numbers of units.

So I am wondering if I can get some expert advice whether or not a overclocked 6-Core 5820K would be superior to a stock 6700K?

For the GPU I am probably buying either the GTX 970 or the R9 390X.
For the PSU I am considering between the CM V750S and V850 models.
I really like the Inwin Case so that's what I am getting.
For motherboard if I buy X99 I will get the Asus x99-A. For skylake I'll get the Gigabyte Gaming7.
For RAM 16GB G.Skill DDR4-3000 [8GB x2 or 4Gb x4].
I am kinda scared of the kind of CLC failures I read about so I will stick with a cheap aircooler like the 212X or 412 slim.

Any and all suggestions, advice are most welcome and appreciated.
 
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PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i7-5820K 3.3GHz 6-Core Processor ($378.99 @ SuperBiiz)
CPU Cooler: Phanteks PH-TC12DX_BK 68.5 CFM CPU Cooler ($49.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: ASRock X99 Extreme4 ATX LGA2011-3 Motherboard ($184.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: Crucial Ballistix Sport 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-2400 Memory ($54.99 @ Adorama)
Total: $668.95
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-08-28 05:39 EDT-0400

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i7-6700K 4.0GHz Quad-Core Processor ($359.99 @ NCIX US)...
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And hopefully on Battlefront and Black Ops 3 and the future of AAA game titles :cheese:
 
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It's really almost a toss up with the 6700K Skylake getting the nod from CpuBoss.com. See here:

http://cpuboss.com/cpus/Intel-Core-i7-5820K-vs-Intel-6700K

But that's without the 5820K being overclocked to 4.2 Ghz, which is were it might out do the 6700K. But lets not forget that the 6700K can be overclocked quite a bit, as well, which then would overtake the 5820K in speed.

What the 6700K can't do, however, is overtake the 5820K in cores/threads, and if you do any content creation/editing for YouTube or in Photoshop, those cores will make a big difference. Six/12 are better than 4/8 core/threads from the Skylake cpu. But if all you do is game, and you know you will not do any content creation in the future, something many of us don't know, then the 6700K is the better choice. But if you want options open for the future, the 5820K might be the better choice.

I've personally weighted these choices and have decided to go with the 5930K instead of the 5820K (I can afford it but many can't - I understand that - personal choice). This processer has 6 cores, an even faster core clock speed than the 5820K and 40 PCI lanes for dual 16x SLI graphic card setup. I believe the 5820K only has 28 lanes that allows for dual 8x and the 6700K 16 lanes for dual 8x. If you don't plan to SLI this won't matter to you, but I plan to SLI two GTX 980 Ti cards and will still have a PCI spot for an M.2 SSD. Probably not something you or many others are be interested in.

So, the choice between the 5820k and the 6700k is a rather tough one. I don't think you can lose either way you go. Intel will be coming out with the processor updates for the Haswell-e line, 5960x, 5930k and 5820k, in February or March, I think, and I'm not sure if they will use the same X99 motherboard or not. Just thinking about upgrade possibilities there.
 
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It is a safe assumption that anybody who buys a K series processor will overclock at some point. Under this assumption, I just don't get how most people promote the 4790K over the 5820K in terms of performance :??:

As I understand it, a X99 build costs way more than a Z97 or Z170 build. Specifically because of the Motherboard and Quad-Channel RAM kits.

I don't ever plan on doing and Sli or Crossfire setups. Nor buy a M.2 ssd. Video encoding is a hobby of mine and since HEVC came I have been converting all my videos with it. The PC is mainly for gaming.

Yes, in 5 years a lot can change and no one can say what'll happen for sure. So that's why I came up with a Skylake build as well.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i7-6700K 4.0GHz Quad-Core Processor ($359.99 @ NCIX US)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 412 Slim 58.4 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($61.18 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z170X-Gaming 7 ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($217.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws 4 Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory ($134.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 850 EVO-Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($89.75 @ OutletPC)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Green 3TB 3.5" 5400RPM Internal Hard Drive ($94.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce GTX 980 Ti 6GB Video Card ($688.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Case: NZXT Phantom 530 (Red) ATX Full Tower Case ($128.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Power Supply: Cooler Master V850 850W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($159.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $1936.86
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-08-31 23:30 EDT-0400

(Because I also want to buy the new OnePlus Two phone).
 
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It didnt display 1000w but gave a recommendation of 1000W PSU. the display was about 822W.
 
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oh geez lol.... a 5820k@4.4ghz plus a single 980ti@1.4ghz will easily survive on a quality 550w power supply. at those clocks you can figure about 125w cpu and 300w gpu. the rest of the system 50w. getting the whole thing to run at peak would require furmark and prime running at the same time which is an extremely unrealistic load. you could run two 980tis in sli on a 750w. logically speaking... someone who already has the money for sli 980tis probably isn't going to skimp on a budget 750w unit though and would likely buy the best 850-1000w power supply they could find.

if you will never go for extreme overclocking and will never have dual graphics cards, just get the absolute best quality(gold/platinum ~ tier 1 or 2) 600-750w power supply you can afford.
 
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The Cooler Master VSM750 / V850 I can buy is Tier#1 on Tom's Hardware List.

This PSU calculator completely left me baffled. :eek2:
 
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is there a specific reason you are going for the cooler master? what country are you in again? are their other gold rated models available like the xfx xtr series?

the cooler master "v" series is not the same as the "vs" series which are tier 2. the "m" at the end just designates that it is a modular unit. otherwise its still a quality power supply.
 
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I can also get Corsair HX or AX series. And Seasonic X and Platinum series. But these are much more expensive so thats why... the CM.

Plus johnnyguru gives a final score of

SS X750 [9.5]
CM V850 [9.7].
 
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Personally,I'm waiting right this moment for my 5820k I purchased this morning.I mulled this over for the last month,believe me.I was excited about the new chips coming out,and after reading reviews (many many reviews) I decided to get myself 2 more cores,12 extra PCI Express lanes,and 15 MB cache for $50.00 more.Is it more expensive ? Justifiably so.But if you shop right for the right hardware to go with it,it's not too bad.But in the grand scheme of things,well worth the upgrade for me.I work with 3D graphics,Photoshop,After Effects,Adobe Audition,Bryce,V-Ray etc.I want a system that can utilize extra cores and extra bandwidth,and this is it.Anyway,it's my personnal opinion.My choice.What do you want your system to be able to do today,and down the road ?
 
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even at 1440p

 
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No no no. A future ??? For that socket. Bro I have a 5820k, 970, and 24gn ddr. 5820k doesn't even shutter when I do music production and video editing . The future is x99 plain and simple. Future proof your shit and buy a new has well 5820k and you won't need another upgrade for a long time . X79 is fading out and x99 in .
 
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Your trust in your build is admirable but you forget that the Intel Core i7-3930K Processor was in the same shoes when it was released in early 2012 and three years later (now) it has been obsolete for some time. I have been mulling over this dilemma and have come to the decision of getting something that's overkill for now and still will be great for 4-5 years. After that time, even the 5960X 8-Core processor is gonna be eclipsed by some new processor. I'd rather get the GTX 980 Ti and a Skylake than a GTX 970+5820K. Also the X99 build will require a beefier PSU because I would have to OC it almost from the get-go. WHereas, I don't envision OC-ing the Skylake i7 until much later.
 
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First of all if the question is what's a better "gaming rig" for the money than yes , considering that the most important thing in a gaming rig is yur GPU. So saying you'd take a 980ti with a cheaper less powerful processor is correct - however categorically , doesn't make the professor you chose better. I don't just play video games and use my computer for work also. The tdp draw for DDR4 is actually significantly lower and over clocking my ram, cpu, and gtx 970 has still not resulted in me needing a psu greater the 700w.
 
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Well the logic is simple enough. You can OC the clock speed but you cannot increase the # of cores.
 
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I don't see how you can say the x99 is an old chip, it's actually not old at all, the socket is older, but it's a refresh, I would much rather have an x99 with quad channel ddr4 and a 5820k or 5930k. The added bandwidth from the ram makes a huge difference. One of the bottlenecks in pc's is the ram so having 4 channels kicks ass. I'm running my ddr4 at 3100 MHz at 1t and it is very fast. Plus the extreme processors don't have a low end video card built in to them. I am using an Asus Rampage V extreme with a 5930k at 4.6 ghz and 32 gigs ddr4, and gtx 980 it is beyond fast. Best of luck with your choice though
 
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Throw a nice x4 m.2 drive for amazing drive speed. The next extreme processor may not fit in an x99 board, but by the point you need to upgrade your gonna want a new motherboard anyways. Go with the 5820 or 5930 if you can afford it. You won't regret it.
 
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