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I am impressed how many people give their opinion on controversial things like these not beeing fully informed. That dosent mean i am fully informed, just means i rather give an opinion than a full statement of waht i belive to be facts.

I think, to a point, this has all became to stink when everyone started acusing others of beeing imoral and thives.
There was in the 90s free music for everyone (you only had to have a friend with a dual cassete player to record from one to another), and people still bought music, and everyone still made money.
At some point, greed took over everyone, and there is too much music out there, too expensive, that more people buy than before, yet the artists get less money.

there is so much burocracy (like...
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Breaking the law is wrong, period. There is no gray area. Whether you feel justified in doing so or not, does not change the law.

If you want justification for doing so, go somewhere else. I bet you'll find a lot of people who agree with you at piratebay.
 
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Don't see it - since I never mentioned whether or not I personally agree or disagree with the license conditions or whether I follow them or not - I merely told you that according to the agreement you entered when you purchased the license you purchased a license to use a single instance of the program at a time and thus using it for multiple uses was not acceptable under that license -- whether you personally decide to break that agreement and\or feel justified in doing so is completely your decision to make and no one else can justify it for you - so my opinion or the opinion of any one else has no relevance and can not change the terms that you agreed to and justify whether you abide by those terms or not.
 
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First off uploading it where others have access to it does not necessarily mean lost sales (as many of those that gain access this way may still purchase it or would never of purchased it in the first place !) but that is another topic for debate and still does not alter the fact that whether the content is distributed to one person or millions has no relevance -- sharing it with even one is still breaking the agreement you entered, same as sharing it with millions is - one is no better or worse than the other. Trying to justify breaking the agreement for one reason or another still does not change the fact you are breaking the agreement.

The fact that others decide they want to do it doesn't make it any more or less wrong in the end and only you can make the decision on whether it is something you want to do - looking for others to agree or disagree with your decision doesn't justify the decision or make it any more right or wrong !
 
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A couple weeks ago, there was an article on the front page of someone who made copies of a porno film and shared it with 10 of his buddies. One of them uploaded it to a torrent site. They tracked the key and found the original owner of the video and sued him for $160,000 per copy, which is the maximum the law allows for pirating. He lost and was fined $1.6 million dollars. Of course he didn't show up to court, making it an auto loss.

These pirating cases are big losses if you are caught.
 
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If you don't want to follow the agreement then the "Right" thing to do would be to not use the product or talk to the person you are entering the agreement with and adjust the terms of the agreement before accepting the agreement - entering into an agreement with the intention to break it because you do not agree with the conditions is never the "Right" thing to do no matter how you try to justify it !!
 
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Was it the following story?

http://www.dailydot.com/news/man-fined-million-pirating-gay-porn-bittorrent/
 
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Just because you do not agree with the law does not mean you are immune from being prosecuted.

If you are looking for actual legal insight, then you need to speak with a lawyer. They would likely be the individuals who would know of legal loopholes, if any.
 
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Nope the law was not flawed at all - because the person that uploaded it to the torrent site never agreed to the license so can not be held legally responsible for the illegal distribution (since he may not have been aware that it was not legal for him to upload as he may have never seen the license agreement !) - the only person that the company could prove had agreed to the license was the one person that originally purchased the product and had agreed to the license terms with the company and thus he was the one that was sued and found responsible for the full amount of damages.
 
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The thing you are failing to realize is that there is a difference between lending someone the original media and making a copy of it and giving that to them - to lend a CD to your brother or a friend is fine as it is the original media that you paid for and there is still just the 1 copy being used at any one time (which is what you paid for in the license) - Once you start making copies of that media (whether you are ripping it to a digital format or making physical copies) you are then violating the license since now more than 1 instance of the item may\will be in use at a given time and a new license should be purchased for each copy that is in use (making a copy to store for archival purpose is fine as long as the original and the copy are not both in use at a given time) and there is a reasonable limit laid out for people in the agreement ( 1 copy per license purchased to be in use at any given time !)
 
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What is there not to agree with. It's a black and white agreement. You either follow it or not. There is nothing to dispute.
 
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If you don't follow the rules or laws, you clearly are not right. There is absolutely nothing to dispute about that.

If you want to justify why you should break the law, then you have, but that does not make you right. It only gives you a reason to feel better about yourself.

Don't expect anyone who knows what right or wrong is accept that you are right. You may get people who think the law is stupid and willing to break the law with you, but that doesn't make them "right".

Break the law. I won't stop you, but be aware that there are consequences that you could face. You, and those like you, have affected the rest of us by those decisions. Don't think you are not affecting anyone.
 
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There may be laws which have some gray area. Breaking a law to save someone from harm is one thing, but how can you apply that to listening to music? There is never a time where music is needed. It's simple entertainment and pirating it is simply wrong. Period, end of story.

That isn't to say there aren't laws people break every day without hesitation. I go 5 MPH over the posted speed limit quite often. If I get pulled over by a police officer, I still can be ticketed, and I would be in the wrong.

Just because something is often over looked, doesn't make it right. Just because you believe it should be free to your friends, doesn't mean it is right. If it was, a song could be purchased one time, and spread through the entire world on a single purchase. What that be fair in the slightest?

Give it up. No one is going to say you are in the right, but that doesn't stop you from doing it either. Though you should not pirate either way.
 
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I am impressed how many people give their opinion on controversial things like these not beeing fully informed. That dosent mean i am fully informed, just means i rather give an opinion than a full statement of waht i belive to be facts.

I think, to a point, this has all became to stink when everyone started acusing others of beeing imoral and thives.
There was in the 90s free music for everyone (you only had to have a friend with a dual cassete player to record from one to another), and people still bought music, and everyone still made money.
At some point, greed took over everyone, and there is too much music out there, too expensive, that more people buy than before, yet the artists get less money.

there is so much burocracy (like politicians) that live off people who actually do the job, that there is not enought money for everyone anymore.

And thats why, after about 10 years, a market that was once lucrative, becomes a sewer where the rats run from. Its human greed, and as far as i know, it knows no limits.
 
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