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Vladislaus
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[citation][nom]crom[/nom]C'mon Microsoft lovers, lets get out of denial and face some serious facts.Their stock is down 17% this year. They have been downgraded as a company. Apple will eclipse them in terms of profitability by the end of this year[/citation]
Apple has a long road to walk if it really wants to earn more money than Microsoft. Microsoft's profit from this years first fiscal quarter was 60% higher than Apple's. Apple still has a larger market value.
Apple has a long road to walk if it really wants to earn more money than Microsoft. Microsoft's profit from this years first fiscal quarter was 60% higher than Apple's. Apple still has a larger market value.
[citation][nom]TEAMSWITCHER[/nom]That's a Windows Fanboy wet-dream! Go down your local BestBuy or Fry's and you will see that most of the laptops they sell have Pentium, Celeron, or wrse Atom processors, Intel graphics, in plastic - sticker covered - butt ugly designs. Apple sells none of that hardware. And they say Apple people are delusional?[/citation]
Um.. anything running an Atom is in the netbook category, not the laptop category. Furthermore, a netbook with a celeron or Atom processor has significantly more power than apple's equivalent, which would be the tablets. A 1GHz A4 chip is not going to outperform a 1.83GHz Dual Core Atom.
If you look at the actual laptops that would be competing with the MacBook Pro for example, in the 600-800 dollar price range you're already looking at dual core chips clocked higher than 2.4GHz. Just because you can't tell the difference between a netbook and a notebook doesn't mean that PC users are delusional.
Mac's growth has primarily been in the US, adoption rates abroad are much higher for Microsoft. And as Macs start to gain marketshare, they're going to have to change their model and advertising campaign, Macs don't get viruses because their marketshare is so low hackers don't see it viable to write malware for them, if that changes the hackers will adapt. Macs don't crash... well until you install software on them that wasn't exclusively made by Mac. What percentage of users jailbreak their macs? A jailbroken mac is just as vulnerable and apt to crash as a PC. The elitism of the Mac fanboi is ridiculous, because a majority of Mac users that I have known, don't even play by Mac's rules, and are basically just running Mac OS because they don't like Windows' Start Menu.
Um.. anything running an Atom is in the netbook category, not the laptop category. Furthermore, a netbook with a celeron or Atom processor has significantly more power than apple's equivalent, which would be the tablets. A 1GHz A4 chip is not going to outperform a 1.83GHz Dual Core Atom.
If you look at the actual laptops that would be competing with the MacBook Pro for example, in the 600-800 dollar price range you're already looking at dual core chips clocked higher than 2.4GHz. Just because you can't tell the difference between a netbook and a notebook doesn't mean that PC users are delusional.
Mac's growth has primarily been in the US, adoption rates abroad are much higher for Microsoft. And as Macs start to gain marketshare, they're going to have to change their model and advertising campaign, Macs don't get viruses because their marketshare is so low hackers don't see it viable to write malware for them, if that changes the hackers will adapt. Macs don't crash... well until you install software on them that wasn't exclusively made by Mac. What percentage of users jailbreak their macs? A jailbroken mac is just as vulnerable and apt to crash as a PC. The elitism of the Mac fanboi is ridiculous, because a majority of Mac users that I have known, don't even play by Mac's rules, and are basically just running Mac OS because they don't like Windows' Start Menu.
eddieroolz
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CNN is just a bunch of Apple-loving morons, I hear. So they're like the Gizmodo equivalent of mass media.
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Every time they use a question mark at the end of the headline, you know they will be talking about gutt-feeling and rumors.
Microsoft, just like IBM, Cisco, Oracle, Nvidia, HP, and many others has an established market. So they don't spend as much on marketing. Apple on the other hand can be regarded more as a marketing company than anything else.
Microsoft, just like IBM, Cisco, Oracle, Nvidia, HP, and many others has an established market. So they don't spend as much on marketing. Apple on the other hand can be regarded more as a marketing company than anything else.
[citation][nom]cptnjarhead[/nom]Just because you work at CNN... and you and your retard buddies have apple products.. that automatically means everyone has apple products?.by the way.. who or what is CNN?... I thought they were a dying brand.. doesn't everyone just watch fox?[/citation]
I have no stake in CNN and thus I see no need to defend them, but whoever prefers FOX(news) to ANY other news service has some serious issues.
I have no stake in CNN and thus I see no need to defend them, but whoever prefers FOX(news) to ANY other news service has some serious issues.
[citation][nom]orionite[/nom]I have no stake in CNN and thus I see no need to defend them, but whoever prefers FOX(news) to ANY other news service has some serious issues.[/citation]
[offtopic]As one who doesn't watch any TV but who is aware of the viewership numbers for the various networks; either a vast majority of people have serious issues OR, perhaps, someone is simply in denial[/offtopic]
[offtopic]As one who doesn't watch any TV but who is aware of the viewership numbers for the various networks; either a vast majority of people have serious issues OR, perhaps, someone is simply in denial[/offtopic]
I didn't bother with CNN's view, so I don't know their take. I have my own view of MS.
I didn't like Ballmer's hand on the company 10 years ago. Heck, I didn't like Ballmer 20 years ago. And I don't like the situation today. What has happened these years has been a kinda slow confirmation of my misgivings. IMO, MS have done a number of strategic and company-culture mis-steps.
What kinda worsens the situation is that it's the top echelon inside MS which together have worked towards this, since Gates left. So that does cloud the hopes for a change with a new CEO. At least Alchin (headed Vista, among other things) is gone. Good riddance! And his strategy, of trying to corrupt any standard not proprietary to MS, seem to have abated. But his scheme of splitting Windows into a myriad of different licences and options remain in effect. Then we have the enemy/hostility-generating conspiracies against Java and Linux. MS making themselves into computings analogy to the Talibans in Afganistan (pre- US intervention): Their hold may seem stable and strong enough, but in reality everybody wants to get rid of them, and once there is a credible challenge, all "allies" will be in a hurry to jump ship.
What is kinda pathetic, is that MS have adopted old, losing strategies and business practices from those big-business computer companies they (and Apple) once vanquished with superior understanding about personal computing. They have fallen into the same trap as Sculley's old Apple fell into, (once they had gotten rid of Jobs), thinking that they only have to milk their market (desktop publishing for Apple) with "creative" business schemes, and manipulate perceived stock value with dividends and reported high profits. For a time things may seem very rosy, but underneath the entire foundation is crumbling. Old, traditional corporative business practices and management do not cope well with IT. Gates and Jobs once demonstrated that. After traditional business (the investment capitalists) kicked out Jobs and ruined Apple, Jobs have now retaken his company with a vengeance. Meanwhile, MS have lost both Gates and his vision.
Yes, MS is indeed failing consumers. Ballmer have always been uninterested, and also seem to think half-assed, half-finished efforts are good enough for the stupid consumer as long as you just advertize. He also seem to have long belived it's enough to do what competitors do and in other ways stay where you are.
What I mostly blame MS for, is not failure to bring out phones or tablets. No, it's their failure to build and reinforce the PC's role, value and importance for the consumer.
Windows' position as a laptop and desktop OS is of course very secure today. MS problem here is that the laptop's and desktop's positions as relevant gadgets is very undermined. And, - while it was very predictable that this was an avenue open for attck, and one Jobs would take to complete his revenge, after retaking his own company, - it didn't need to be like that! If you think a little about it, the very opposite could have been the natural development. Why is the PC's position as the one, only, natural center for all media, information and entertainment challenged by numerous gadgets today? MS have failed to protect this role with aggressive technology and standards.
What they have done wrong (for just one example to keep this post short) is that they have allowed the XBox to compete internally with the PC, and then, artificially favored the XBox on the inside of the company. Launching the console business was totally the right move, as in putting up resistance against Sony on the consumer market. Letting it destroy (and actively push it by policy) the PC gaming industry, will in the long run be disastrous for MS. A company might as well compete with itself, (because someone else will in any case) but what mustn't be done is fixing the "competition" from the inside by biased policy and funding.
There are things MS should have done which they haven't, (just one example to keep this post short) like providing game copyright protection inside the OS. This is where it belongs, and where MS is in a perfect position to make it work. I mean, - Why the H* do we get an experience like Securom instead?
The best thing Windows ever got for the consumer side is Direct-X. So when did it become a smart move to force their own hold on consumer market away from Windows to XBox? The day Windows relevans disappears for consumers, is the day it will begin to disappear from business as well. Computing tiers are always conquered from the bottom. And a console's market share is worth nothing in the long run.
I didn't like Ballmer's hand on the company 10 years ago. Heck, I didn't like Ballmer 20 years ago. And I don't like the situation today. What has happened these years has been a kinda slow confirmation of my misgivings. IMO, MS have done a number of strategic and company-culture mis-steps.
What kinda worsens the situation is that it's the top echelon inside MS which together have worked towards this, since Gates left. So that does cloud the hopes for a change with a new CEO. At least Alchin (headed Vista, among other things) is gone. Good riddance! And his strategy, of trying to corrupt any standard not proprietary to MS, seem to have abated. But his scheme of splitting Windows into a myriad of different licences and options remain in effect. Then we have the enemy/hostility-generating conspiracies against Java and Linux. MS making themselves into computings analogy to the Talibans in Afganistan (pre- US intervention): Their hold may seem stable and strong enough, but in reality everybody wants to get rid of them, and once there is a credible challenge, all "allies" will be in a hurry to jump ship.
What is kinda pathetic, is that MS have adopted old, losing strategies and business practices from those big-business computer companies they (and Apple) once vanquished with superior understanding about personal computing. They have fallen into the same trap as Sculley's old Apple fell into, (once they had gotten rid of Jobs), thinking that they only have to milk their market (desktop publishing for Apple) with "creative" business schemes, and manipulate perceived stock value with dividends and reported high profits. For a time things may seem very rosy, but underneath the entire foundation is crumbling. Old, traditional corporative business practices and management do not cope well with IT. Gates and Jobs once demonstrated that. After traditional business (the investment capitalists) kicked out Jobs and ruined Apple, Jobs have now retaken his company with a vengeance. Meanwhile, MS have lost both Gates and his vision.
Yes, MS is indeed failing consumers. Ballmer have always been uninterested, and also seem to think half-assed, half-finished efforts are good enough for the stupid consumer as long as you just advertize. He also seem to have long belived it's enough to do what competitors do and in other ways stay where you are.
What I mostly blame MS for, is not failure to bring out phones or tablets. No, it's their failure to build and reinforce the PC's role, value and importance for the consumer.
Windows' position as a laptop and desktop OS is of course very secure today. MS problem here is that the laptop's and desktop's positions as relevant gadgets is very undermined. And, - while it was very predictable that this was an avenue open for attck, and one Jobs would take to complete his revenge, after retaking his own company, - it didn't need to be like that! If you think a little about it, the very opposite could have been the natural development. Why is the PC's position as the one, only, natural center for all media, information and entertainment challenged by numerous gadgets today? MS have failed to protect this role with aggressive technology and standards.
What they have done wrong (for just one example to keep this post short) is that they have allowed the XBox to compete internally with the PC, and then, artificially favored the XBox on the inside of the company. Launching the console business was totally the right move, as in putting up resistance against Sony on the consumer market. Letting it destroy (and actively push it by policy) the PC gaming industry, will in the long run be disastrous for MS. A company might as well compete with itself, (because someone else will in any case) but what mustn't be done is fixing the "competition" from the inside by biased policy and funding.
There are things MS should have done which they haven't, (just one example to keep this post short) like providing game copyright protection inside the OS. This is where it belongs, and where MS is in a perfect position to make it work. I mean, - Why the H* do we get an experience like Securom instead?
The best thing Windows ever got for the consumer side is Direct-X. So when did it become a smart move to force their own hold on consumer market away from Windows to XBox? The day Windows relevans disappears for consumers, is the day it will begin to disappear from business as well. Computing tiers are always conquered from the bottom. And a console's market share is worth nothing in the long run.
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Until the Mac OS becomes equally compatible with ALL considered hardware as Microsoft, they will not die. Also, stop raping the consumer and jack up your prices on the Macbooks and Imac's just because you know your OS can only be bought preloaded on your products. People throw the reliability card, I show them this: http://lifehacker.com/5524704/laptop+reliability-study-highlights-the-most-sturdy-laptop-makers. They are 4th in reliability. And give it time, people are already writing viruses for Mac OS's and the whole "Macs never get viruses" card is slowly becoming another false statement. The ipad is not by any means a laptop replacement either due to the lack of drive expandability, USB ports, flash, wireless printing (yes there are apps out there, but buggy they are). Microsoft may have had its issues in the past and perhaps some currently, but to say they are a dying consumer brand is so far from the truth. As a gamer, I will always go PC until they make my life easier in computer building. Yes, gamers who build their own PC's are still considered consumers.
And hello people, the Xbox 360? They are doing so well in console sales!
And hello people, the Xbox 360? They are doing so well in console sales!
[citation][nom]sailfish[/nom][offtopic]As one who doesn't watch any TV but who is aware of the viewership numbers for the various networks; either a vast majority of people have serious issues OR, perhaps, someone is simply in denial[/offtopic][/citation]
a) The vast majority of people have serious issues.
a) The vast majority of people have serious issues.
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Everyone in the modern world knows what Windows and Office are. (Microsoft trademarks basically).
About two thirds of the world don't know, or couldn't care less, about CNN (an 'all American' news channel).
The only reason people watch it (CNN) overseas is to laugh at it.
About two thirds of the world don't know, or couldn't care less, about CNN (an 'all American' news channel).
The only reason people watch it (CNN) overseas is to laugh at it.
I'm sure the article will be written in MS Word on a windows machine while researching the information using internet explorer and chatting to their cnn friends on MSN while emailing each others hotmail accounts.
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Apple gets more news stories than Microsoft that is all. Constant apple rumors = free publicity. Microsoft just needs to hire a better marketing team. nobody does stories about great windows apps and what windows makes possible...instead we get stories about gimmicky ijunk. Microsoft has always been about creation and productivity...apple is about bleeding the consumer dry for stuff that has been around for years on the pc.
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