Is my system bottlenecking?

Clancasey

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So I've been having this problem for the past few months, and I figured I'd run it by you all to see if you wonderful people could help me. This past summer I upgraded my GPU from a 5 year old Radeon 7770HD GHz Edition, to a EVGA GeForce GTX 1050 TI. I also upgraded my processor (and motherboard) to a Ryzen 5 1600.

I've been having terrible framerate issues since I've installed these upgrades, and I've just lived with it, but I'd like to find out once and for all if it's a problem with my setup, or if it's just that my graphics card isn't powerful enough.

I play the video game "Rust", and average around 30-40 fps, never peaking above 50. Everyone that I talk to says that a 1050ti SHOULD be able to play Rust at 1080p at a smooth 60fps. I looked at a lot of different reasons why this could be the case.

My GPU usage and CPU usage are relatively low (CPU usually ~30%, GPU usually ~50%). Oddly enough, I get low fps on all settings. Changing the settings has little to no effect on framerate (I actually get slightly higher fps when playing on higher settings!). I read that this is a telltale sign that the CPU is bottlnecking the GPU. While that makes sense, I find that hard to believe, as the Ryzen 5 1600 should be capable enough to handle whatever a 1050ti throws at it. I'm also confident that the CPU was installed properly, and has thermal paste to ensure that it doesn't get too hot.

Attached are a few screenshots that I took of HWMonitor while running Rust. The first screenshot is on LOWEST settings, second is on MEDIUM settings, and third is on HIGHEST settings.

In summary: Is there really a CPU bottleneck, is there a problem with my system? Lowering graphics settings has little to no effect on fps, and this happens across most games that I play. Is it really just that my graphics card isn't powerful enough? Sad that my 5 year old GPU could run this game better then a new (more expensive) GPU can.... Thanks for reading and thanks for all the help!!
 


Yeah so I figured I had a problem with drivers or windows. Two weeks ago I unplugged my old HDD, and reformated my SSD and clean-installed Windows 10, and according to Windows I have the most current drivers, and GeForce Experience says I have the most current drivers as well.
 
You should be getting way better performance than you appear to have and your 1050ti should be getting maxxed out by your Ryzen 5 1600. I don't know what you did when you switched out your GPUs but thoroughly cleaning out your old AMD and installing the latest Nvidia driver is where I would start.

Use Display Driver Uninstaller to get rid of your old drivers.
http://www.guru3d.com/files-details/display-driver-uninstaller-download.html

Use the latest Nvidia driver for your OS
http://www.nvidia.com/Download/index.aspx?
 


Thanks for the response! I'll make sure to uninstall my old display drivers and install the latest ones. What do you mean by "thoroughly cleaning out your old AMD"? My old GPU?
 
"I upgraded my GPU from a 5 year old Radeon 7770HD GHz Edition, to a EVGA GeForce GTX 1050 TI. I also upgraded my processor (and motherboard) to a Ryzen 5 1600."

Maybe you could clarify this. It sounds to me like you built a new computer and put a 1050 Ti in it. Your 7770 was never in the Ryzen right? So there would be no AMD drivers in that system. On the other hand, you mention doing a Windows reinstall after the new computer was already being used. What was the exact sequence and timeline of what you did?
 


My apologies! First I bought the 1050 TI, and installed it. Then a few weeks later I upgraded my CPU. When upgrading to the Ryzen Processor, I had to buy a new Motherboard and 16GB of DDR4 RAM. I wasn't getting the performance that I wanted so I bought an SSD and tried to copy my windows partition over to my SSD from my HDD (the HDD I've had for 5 years, and that has the old AMD drivers and the new Nvidia drivers). I couldn't successfully copy over windows onto my SSD from my HDD so I gave up on that. Flash forward 6 months, and I'm frustrated with the performance I'm getting still, so I literally just unplugged my 5 year old hard drive, cleaned everything off of my SSD, and installed a new copy of windows (not a flash of my HDD, a clean install). I just ran DDU and the Nvidia driver updater, I'll test out the game, or maybe run a benchmark and see how it performs. Thanks again!
 
I noticed a slight boost to performance, but then I was trying to play the game "Escape from Tarkov" and my CPU usage was 50% and GPU usage was around 15% but I was getting 15 fps 🙁( I'm not sure what's up :/
 


sounds like the cpu cooler may not have been installed properly and your cpu may be throttling


monitor cpu temps while you play

if you have a msi motherboard, make sure the slow button is in the OFF position

make sure the monitor is hooked DIRECTLY into the 1050 ti, not the motherboard



make sure the cpu is hitting its proper boost clocks


msi afterburner is a good program to use, that monitors ALL of these things while you play


you just need to set it up and turn on the options in the OSD
 


My CPU never really goes above 40deg C, which should be completely fine. I'll look into the MSI motherboard slow button, never heard of that before. I just ran a 3DMark test, here's my results. 91% of all PC's scored better than mine, and the graph shown is for all people with the same (or very similar) hardware components. the vast majority scored between 2400-2700+ whereas I scored 2115 :/

here's a link to my test, if you want to look at the detailed numbers and see if those would help lead you somewhere https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/24485574

I'll report back once I've done some more research, but with the OSD enabled, nothing is getting nearly close to full usage and nowhere near high temperatures.
 


yeah your cpu scores are low
that combined with the super low temps under load


strongly points to the cpu getting stuck at a low core speed






YUP! 1550mhz! your cpu is not going up to 3600mhz


https://prnt.sc/hxg8p1


do you have a MSI board? if so look at the owners manual and make sure the slow mode switch is turned off


disable C6 state in Bios

disable AMD cool and quiet

make sure power plans are set to max performance under windows
 
I have the MSI b350 Tomahawk. I can't find any information in the manual or online about a slow mode button or slow mode switch, and can't find one anywhere on the board. I'll disable C6 in the bios, and look around and try to disable the cool'n'quiet mode as well. My performance settings are already on Maximum Performance. Thanks for the help I'll see if these help!
 


The above increased fps by 1-2 frames, but I'm still stuck at 1550MHz, and can't find any slow mode switch or anything. I'll keep looking though! but I successfully disabled C6 and cool n quiet.
 


did you also make sure to have plugged in the power supply cable to the 8-pin cpu power connector on the mobo?

labeled CPU_PWR1



I also suggest going into the bios

then hitting F6 to load optimized defaults

then hit F10 to save and exit
 


Using the uninstall for video drivers always leaves some traces of it on your machine. Display Driver Uninstall goes one step further and tries to eliminate those traces. Helps to eliminate any conflicts and performance problems. It's most useful when switching card manufacturers. I don't tend to use it when just updating drivers to the latest version unless I have issues.
 

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