Is nForce 650 the Mainstream Master?

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Well hmm. I finally got all my stuff up and running with this P6N SLI Platinum

I guess you can say you get what you paid for. I'm generally not all that thrilled with my purchase but I suppose I can learn to like it. One thing I can say that is really annoying though is the boot failure guard. If the board fails to post you have to either reset the cmos manually or do it MSI's way which is powering up the motherboard three times using the power switch. Either way you'll have to re-enter all your bios settings again anyways. What a pain in the ass that is.

I was hoping to get 3ghz from this e4300 and P6N Platinum but so far I'm at 2.8. Oh well. I'll keep trying I guess.
 
I was hoping to get 3ghz from this e4300 and P6N Platinum but so far I'm at 2.8. Oh well. I'll keep trying I guess.

3GHz on this board with a E4300 should be easy, unless you have some el-cheapo ram or didn't disable the speed-stepping stuff or something...

1. go to Advanced -> CPU Features page and disable C1E (if you don't see the option, hit the F4 key to unhide it).

2. go to the Cell Menu page and disable both D.O.T and EIST then scroll to the bottom of the page and disable all Spread Spectrum settings.

3. assuming you have at least DDR 667 memory, leave it in Linked mode (for now, at least).

4. Set the FSB to 1334

5. hit the F10 key to save your settings and exit

...just leave everything else on auto. You should be able to run at 3GHz without messing with the vcore voltage at all, or maybe one bump up, if anything. Be sure to check that your temperatures are within reason.
 
ShadowdogKGB?

Is that you, Jon?

Come on, fess up!

TonyB.

p.s. Your cat, Garlicbreath, he's getting fat.
Again!

:lol:
re: Your sig
 
Right on. I knew something was wrong. I had it set to manual instead of "linked". I also had to keep the NB and SB voltage at stock setting because anything other than that would make in unstable.

So right now I just did 10 minutes of Orthos @ 3ghz no prob. Looks promising.

Thanks for the heads up :)

ps. I'm using Patriot Extreme Performance 2GB PC6400 kit.
 
Right On! Soo mod!

TonyB.
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P6N SLI Platinum, MSI
E6400 @ 3000.0MHz (8x375)
w/Sythe Ninja plus Rev. B
2GB Patriot PC-6400/DDR2-800 PDC22G6400LLK@375MHz
XFX Fatal1ty GeForce 7600GT
2xIDE HDD
1xLiteOn DVD-R/RW
Antec TP-430 PSU
Audigy2ZS
Presonus Firebox
M-Audio O2

2666.4 MHz (333.3x8) 1:1 ok
2932.8 MHz (366.6x8) 1:1 ok
3000.0 MHz (8x375) 1:1 Alright!
3200.0 MHz (400.0x8) oopso! So far!
 
Ok I'm a little bit confused about stating that the 650i doesn't support full x16 in SLI setup isn't right, at least not according to this:

http://ca.asus.com/products.aspx?l1=3&l2=11&l3=495&l4=0&model=1567&modelmenu=2

"(C55+MCP55P; a.k.a. nForce®650i SLI & nForce®570 SLI)" ? so it's a 650i and 570 SLI?

and check this review while you're at it...

http://www.pcstats.com/articleview.cfm?articleid=2104&page=1

You have ASUS to blame for the confusion. The fact is that the 650i "chipset" does not support 16x16 in SLI mode. Ever.

The C55 SPP (northbridge) has 16+1+1 PCI-E lanes and is (basically) the exact same NB chip used by the 650i Ultra, 650i, 680i LT and 680i "chipsets". Each of the 600-series "chipsets" is made up of that NB chip, plus some southbridge chip (chip + chip = chipset).

The 650i "chipset" is made up of the C55 SPP (northbridge) and MCP430 (C51) southbridge. The MCP430 SB chip doesn't have any extra PCI-E lanes, so the 650i and 650i Ultra "chipsets" are limited to just the PCI-E lanes provided by the SPP.

In the case of the 650i, the 16 lane group can be split into 8+8 for SLI operation (requires flipping a card over) - otherwise, it runs the first slot in 16x electrical mode (except for the ECS board, which always runs in 8x electrical mode - they didn't include a flip-card on the board, so I assume the other slot is always 'active' and also 8x).

In the case of the 650i Ultra, they just leave one of the 16x physical slots off the motherboard, so there's only one implemented, with the full 16x electrical.

In the case of the 680i, the southbridge is the MCP55XE, which provides the additional PCI-E lanes needed to implement 16x16 SLI mode, along with the extra 8x slot and maybe a few extras.

In the case of the 680i LT, the southbridge is the MCP55, which is actually has all the same features available to it, but/so differentiation is made at the motherboard and BIOS levels (on the nVidia Reference Boards, at least)... so they leave off a LAN port, and/or other features, to keep production costs down.

Finally, we get to the ASUS 'Plus' board. As far as I know, it came out prior to any announcment of the 'LT' series and, for whatever reason, ASUS decided to call it a "650i" based chipset. But, as you can see from above, that makes about as much sense as calling the 680i LT a 650i-based chipset. Basically, they used the same SPP chip as the other boards, but they used a southbridge (MCP) chip from an older AMD design.

It's still not crystal clear exatly what the actual differences are between that MCP and the ones used in the 680i LT and 680i chipsets (if any), but basically, the ASUS hybrid 'Plus' board does in fact do 16x16 in SLI mode and has other features not available on 650i chipset based boards - because it's NOT a 650i-chipset-based board :).

(for all I know, ASUS buys the C55 SPP cheaper as a "650i" part than it pays for it as a "680i" part, so maybe that's where the naming came from - they call it "NVIDIA® Dual X16 SLI" but they further 'clarify' that with "(C55+MCP55P; a.k.a. nForce®650i SLI & nForce®570 SLI)", which is clear as mud)
 
Ok I'm a little bit confused about stating that the 650i doesn't support full x16 in SLI setup isn't right, at least not according to this:

http://ca.asus.com/products.aspx?l1=3&l2=11&l3=495&l4=0&model=1567&modelmenu=2

"(C55+MCP55P; a.k.a. nForce®650i SLI & nForce®570 SLI)" ? so it's a 650i and 570 SLI?

and check this review while you're at it...

http://www.pcstats.com/articleview.cfm?articleid=2104&page=1

You have ASUS to blame for the confusion. The fact is that the 650i "chipset" does not support 16x16 in SLI mode. Ever.

The C55 SPP (northbridge) has 16+1+1 PCI-E lanes and is (basically) the exact same NB chip used by the 650i Ultra, 650i, 680i LT and 680i "chipsets". Each of the 600-series "chipsets" is made up of that NB chip, plus some southbridge chip (chip + chip = chipset).

The 650i "chipset" is made up of the C55 SPP (northbridge) and MCP430 (C51) southbridge. The MCP430 SB chip doesn't have any extra PCI-E lanes, so the 650i and 650i Ultra "chipsets" are limited to just the PCI-E lanes provided by the SPP.

In the case of the 650i, the 16 lane group can be split into 8+8 for SLI operation (requires flipping a card over) - otherwise, it runs the first slot in 16x electrical mode (except for the ECS board, which always runs in 8x electrical mode - they didn't include a flip-card on the board, so I assume the other slot is always 'active' and also 8x).

In the case of the 650i Ultra, they just leave one of the 16x physical slots off the motherboard, so there's only one implemented, with the full 16x electrical.

In the case of the 680i, the southbridge is the MCP55XE, which provides the additional PCI-E lanes needed to implement 16x16 SLI mode, along with the extra 8x slot and maybe a few extras.

In the case of the 680i LT, the southbridge is the MCP55, which is actually has all the same features available to it, but/so differentiation is made at the motherboard and BIOS levels (on the nVidia Reference Boards, at least)... so they leave off a LAN port, and/or other features, to keep production costs down.

Finally, we get to the ASUS 'Plus' board. As far as I know, it came out prior to any announcment of the 'LT' series and, for whatever reason, ASUS decided to call it a "650i" based chipset. But, as you can see from above, that makes about as much sense as calling the 680i LT a 650i-based chipset. Basically, they used the same SPP chip as the other boards, but they used a southbridge (MCP) chip from an older AMD design.

It's still not crystal clear exatly what the actual differences are between that MCP and the ones used in the 680i LT and 680i chipsets (if any), but basically, the ASUS hybrid 'Plus' board does in fact do 16x16 in SLI mode and has other features not available on 650i chipset based boards - because it's NOT a 650i-chipset-based board :).

(for all I know, ASUS buys the C55 SPP cheaper as a "650i" part than it pays for it as a "680i" part, so maybe that's where the naming came from - they call it "NVIDIA® Dual X16 SLI" but they further 'clarify' that with "(C55+MCP55P; a.k.a. nForce®650i SLI & nForce®570 SLI)", which is clear as mud)

see this makes perfect sense and I thank you for the time to clarify it, I've been looking to build a PC and this MOBO just seemed to standout because it has almost everything I would need at a very good price! (the SLi in specific) I guess I'm better off paying the extra 50 bux on the 680i board, which is almost identical to the PLUS board, but with a pure 680i chipset.