Is nobody at least rooting for AMD?

[sailer]

For my part, I'm holding off with my next build until Barcelona is out next week and I get to see benches describing how it actually performs, instead of speculation and simulated performance. Yes, I'm rooting for AMD. I want it to survive and will happily by its cpu if it performs decently. No, if Barcelona's a dog that should be put out of its misery, similar to what happened with the QuadFX, then I won't bother with it, but will go with Intel's X38, etc. I am a fan of AMD, but I'm not a blind fan.

 

[TechnologyCoordinator]

For my part, I'm holding off with my next build until Barcelona is out next week and I get to see benches describing how it actually performs, instead of speculation and simulated performance. Yes, I'm rooting for AMD. I want it to survive and will happily by its cpu if it performs decently. No, if Barcelona's a dog that should be put out of its misery, similar to what happened with the QuadFX, then I won't bother with it, but will go with Intel's X38, etc. I am a fan of AMD, but I'm not a blind fan.

Unfortunately, if Barcelona bombs it won't be swept aside and forgotten like QuadFX (which AMD promised to support but hasn't).

Barcelona is AMD's main product line for consumer and server. If it bombs AMD is stuck with it. I sure hope my doubts are wrong.

 

[JAYDEEJOHN]

What I dont understand is, why would AMD release a chip thats only 5% faster than their previous one, clock for clock? Or do I have this wrong? Its said to be only 20% slower than current Intel, while the older 90nm was around 25%. Am I wrong? Or is someone playing games, just not the kind we like to play!?

 

[sailer]

We really ought to get back on topic.

Is anyone rooting for amd?

http://www.mega-cars.net/d/2607-3/AMD-pit-babes.jpg

Ignore the muffin-topper.

Ok, if you can arrange for these to come to my house and cheer me on, I guess I could buy a Barcelona even if it has some deficiances. I'm not quite that blind. Then again, ....

 

[jwlangs]

Nope not rooting for Amd. I am an Intel Fanboy.

I'm just happy to see somebody say it with pride.

C'mon, DAAMIT! 😀

 

[badger101101]

Maybe it's all a conspiracy funded by Intel and nVidia. It goes something like this...

Intel & nVidia bribe AMD to purchase ATI, sending both companies into a vicious downward spiral. The only thing left is an obstacle-free road for Intel and nVidia.

What can I say? I am a writer. I like to manipulate situations to make them more interesting.

 

[Falken699]

I am sure everyone here will probably grab green next upgrade... Now, will the stock double from 13 bucks... HMMMM....

 

[dsharp9000]

I am rooting for amd. It use to be that Amd was beating intel hands down for a while (remember the breaking the 1 gig hertz level; amd did this first; and it was actually a big test thing that tom's hardware did way back and with intel trying to catch up even though they couldnt --- those were the good old days). I think the problem is now that amd use to offer there processors cheaper than intel even though intel was slower. I dont blame amd for higher prices as they need to make money; but they need the performance to be better than intel or lower prices. To be honest, i didnt even know amd was in trouble until reading this--- are they really; bad news for pc industry if they are. The loss of amd in the market place would be very bad.

 

[ir_efrem]

I'm rooting for them both, i would have to say that everyone here is educated in hardware enough to know the difference between AMD and Intel

and i would also say - %90 of computer users don't even have a single clue whatsoever - of the %10 left, %5 think they have the fastest system cuz the dude at the store told him so - AMD is better, Intel is better

Simple fact - if AMD had alot more cpus out there right now they would be selling alot more, that %90 just wants a computer. Intel will always be ahead in just ability to produce. Sure the numbers don't lie, AMD lost something in the performace war and lost market share. I'm a tight fisted mofo when it comes to my wallet and I haven't owned Intel for years just because of that reason. If AMD goes under? Does anyone remember the AMD 286? The company isnt new........

 

[wingless]

AMD may be second but they are the innovators and the originals nowadays. Hyper Transport and an integrated memory controller are old news to AMD people but Intel fans have yet to get either of these. Intel will be switching to it's CSI architecture with an integrated memory controller sometime in 2009 FINALLY. AMD also announced an integrated CPU/GPU combo processor in the Fusion platform and Intel is following suit. Who is actually in second place here?

Also I would like to add that the K10 architecture will be more than worthy to become our future systems. You only have a few days to wait and you will see what I have seen.

 

[wingless]

I forgot to mention that AMD brought us AMD64 and the 64-bit CPU era. I've been gaming with WinXP x64 for 18 months now and haven't had a single problem. The 64 bit versions of HL2 and other titles are always a bit better and a bit faster than the 32 bit versions. All thanks to AMD. Also my socket 939 Opteron185 pushed 6300mb/s memory bandwidth which is comparable to an Intel Core 2 Duo with DDR2 800. Who is playing second fiddle really?

K10 FTW!

 

[Evilonigiri]

Didn't Amd lose all 30 years worth of profit in like 1 year? Kinda hard to root for the losing side ya know. I'm not rooting for anybody right now tho cause it doesn't change the fact I have to spend 1000+ dollar on my nice gaming machine to get decent performance on LOVELY games. Get me free top-notch hardcore gaming pcs and I'll root for anything.

p.s.-I hope Amd survive cause, like you said, Intel won't get any "free er".

 

[jaguarskx]

I'm rooting for VIA.

Go VIA!!!

Woot!!!

 

[sailer]

I am sure everyone here will probably grab green next upgrade... Now, will the stock double from 13 bucks... HMMMM....

If the stock doubles from 13, I'll be able to cash in and AMD will buy my next computer. For that profit, I could even buy one from Falcon Northwest. Now, if the stock triples, then I take a longer vacation among the isles.

 

[wingless]

If the stock doubles from 13, I'll be able to cash in and AMD will buy my next computer. For that profit, I could even buy one from Falcon Northwest. Now, if the stock triples, then I take a longer vacation among the isles.

I was thinking about buying 100 shares of AMD stock myself. It has nowhere to go but up and my gamble is for good news about K10's performance. It would be nice if it went from $13 back to the original $40 before Core 2 came out. That would be enough profit to get a nice rig going.

 

[jwlangs]

We really ought to get back on topic.

Is anyone rooting for amd?

http://www.mega-cars.net/d/2607-3/AMD-pit-babes.jpg

Ignore the muffin-topper.

Dude, muffin-topper's the best one. Last chick looks like Seal.

 

[ches111]

Having lived in Australia for ~4 years I never ROOT for any team...

Ask an Australian why

However,

I hope AMD really shows a great product/winner in both of the Barcy revisions (Server AND Desktop).

 

[San Pedro]

Easy to root for AMD. The X2 6000+ is a pretty damn good deal, especially if you don't over clock (by the time you really need to, you're probably ready for your next upgrade anyway). Plus, AMD is (was?) more willing to try to innovate and improve things that not only addresses consumer concerns, it also forces Intel to produce quality products at competitive pricing.

I just wish Cyrix was still around too, although we'd be forced to have to learn 5 more sockets and 15 more chipsets.

 

[ches111]

Is it just me or does AMD have some ug BBs?

 

[TechnologyCoordinator]

Dude, muffin-topper's the best one. Last chick looks like Seal.

I respectfully disagree.

From the left to right we will call the girls 1, 2, 3, and 4.

#1 - Decent body. I'd say she has an X2 3800+ under the hood, if you know what I mean. However, she's not that good looking. In America, we'd call her a "paper bag-it".

#2 - Muffin-Topper. I'm not a breakfast guy, so naturally I don't want muffin-toppers. Decent looking face. I'd say she has an X2 6400+ under the hood, her best feature.

#3 - Hands down the hottest chick. She's got the nicest body. She's not fat and she's not skin and bones. If she was a serving of porridge, she'd be just right. Also, she has the best looking face. I'd say she has an X2 4200+ under the hood, if you know what I mean.

#4 - Hands down the ugliest. We'll call her Nelly, because her face looks like a horse. I'd say she's got an X2 4600+ under the hood, if you know what I mean, HOWEVER, they look to be overclock, if you also know what I mean. Also, the belly button piercing is a tell-tale sign of a possible tramp stamp on the caboose.


If these were being run through the TC benchmark, here's the results:

#3 Yummy - 10,000 points
#1 Ugly - 6,000 points
#2 Muffin - 5,000 points
#4 Nelly - 2,500 points

 

[ches111]

I'm just sayin that #2 is about to lose the shorts...

 

[joefriday]

If CPU performance was measured by booth babes, VIA would be kicking some serious ***:

 

[drcroubie]

On the other hand, all AMD has given us to date are a few poorly conceived graphs touting simulations of CPUs running at estimated clockspeeds and a whole truckload of hype. Very few people like it when someone tries to sell them on something by feeding them BS.
Niether simulations nor rhetoric run applications. AMD needs to produce the product, because since Jul 06, they've produced very little to get excited about.

Can anyone remember over a year ago (Just pre-Core2 launch)?
These forums were filled with exactly the same sort of comments, but with AMD/Intel names reversed.

No, i'm not suggesting that history will repeat and AMD will pull out a core2 squasher (although that would be good for everyone, especially consumers), but as always, no company is stupid enough to put out benchmarks and roadmaps that they themselves don't believe they can stick to.

But look at the facts.
The upper Athlon X2s 5600~6400 compete on the same scale as the mid Core2s 6300~6500, the winner depends on what particular benchmark you happen to be running with. Add to that the Athlons tend to be slightly cheaper (especially when adding a Motherboard cost, cheapest Core2 motherboards i've seen are way higher than the cheapest AM2s), gives AMD a definite price/performance edge in the lower-end market (which is a lot bigger than the high-end gaming market that Intel dominates). (and my supplier puts an X2 6000 as cheaper than a C2D 6320)

Phenom X2 will NOT be slower (per clock) than any Athlon X2 currently out (otherwise, there's no point in releasing it, duh), which may crank it up to competing with the Core2 6600+s (obviously dependant on when they come out as to what Intel has out as competition. Sooner the better for AMD, obviously).

Phenom and Opteron X4 may initially come out with some fairly lowish clock speeds that can't compete with a QX6850, but who cares? More than likely, it'll be a truckload cheaper than the Intel flagship, and it'll bring QuadCore affordability down to us masses, if Intel responds with a low-clock low-price Quad to compete, even better for us, the consumers.


So, back to the point, I'm rooting for AMD. Despite what others think, I believe Phenom is not the MakeOrBreak of AMD. If it whips the pants off Core2 (unlikely), AMD will just charge more for it, Intel will respond with lower prices and better models, and life will go on. If it beats Athlon X2s (which it will) but not the upper-crust of Intel's line (Extreme models), then they will just be priced appropriately and Intel will have to compete on the mid-high range as well as low-mid (which they'll do by cutting prices, and/or releasing faster models to redefine the market upwards and push AMD back to the low-end).


Edit: @joefriday: I'm off to buy a VIA now...

 

[runswindows95]

I hope Barcelona is a good CPU that will compete with Intel once again. If it doesn't, and AMD goes under, we all be looking forward to running the newest version of the Prescott because it's the only CPU out there.

PS: AMD #2 is hotter in my opinion. She has a larger "cache" than the rest.

 

[turpit]

Sure, Core 2 is currently faster than Athlon X2, but if AMD goes under, who is to compete with Intel? What incentive will Intel have to keep pumping out faster chips at a lower price? I don't want to see Netburst happen again. 🙁

Finally, someone with some sense. I think its humorous that noobs think because AMD has been second for what less than a year now that they are going under. Thats the funniest thing ever. With the exception of the previous 3 YEARS that AMD stomped all over Intel P4 and PentD, AMD has always been second. In fact, when I first started selling cpu's/pc's, we sold 9 Intel chips to every 1 AMD chip and the AMD's were cheaper. Now its more like every shop is selling 3-4 Intels to 1 AMD. Dont worry, they arent going anywhere. They are plenty happy being second.

Nobody but the 2 or 3 die hard intelliots want to see AMD go under, but as was already pointed out, what people want and what is happening are 2 different things. AMD is going under, right now. No if and or buts about it. They are hemmoraging cash faster than the walls in Sam Raimi's Evil Dead hemorraged blood. They need a bandage. Barcelona is supposed to be that bandage. If Barcelona works, great AMD will have some breathing room to bring fusion to market. If Bacelona sucks AMD will keep hemmoraging, and at their current rate, they wont have enough time left to get fusion or their other projects finished and to market.

The thing is, AMD keeps trying to present this image of virginal purity. Theyre not and not only has the BS theyve spewed damaged their public image (except in the eyes of the Horde who believe every press release and marketing slide), but ita also shaken faith in their ability to produce an Intel killer. 6 days before its releases, and we still dont have honest benchmarks, unless you count coolaler, who is generally pretty reliable. And if he's right, Barcelona is not the C2D beater it needs to be. And AMD doesnt have the capacity to prodce enough chips to start turning a profit on their curent margin.

It may not be popular, but realizing AMD is in dire straights is accurate. This isnt like before....Yes AMD has been in the red before, yes they've spent the majority of their existance as second fiddle, but they've never lost money at the rate they are now. They got ambitious, and had a solid plan to move into the future with the purhase of ATI. Maybe that scared Intel, maybe it was the loss of nearly a third of the overall procesor market, maybe it was the strong possibility that with enough capacity (and plans to expand that capacity) AMD was well on the way towards consuming over 50% of the market, maybe it was the lawsuit....the only people who know are the execs at Intel, but for whatever reason, Intel stated a price war with a faster proccessor at the percise moment that AMD couldnt afford it. If AMD hadnt bought ATI, they would not be in the position they are right now, and this thread or the dozen of other similar thread wouldnt have happened. On the other hand, in the long term, with out a solid platform, or graphics line, they would have been screwed. Is like a greek tragedy...damed if they did, damed if they didnt.

Dont confuse speaking the truth with ill-will towards AMD. AMD has done great in the past, but this is different.