Discussion Is the 50 series going to be a flop?

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I’m skeptical of the 5070s claim of parity with the 4090. Especially because of the slide that seemed to show the 5070 going from 27fps native with full rt to 230 fps with dlss 4.
Yeah, they made all these claims with a lot of asterisks there.

Like that one is for sure only with full blown DLSS4 supporting games at Framegen x4, which there probably won't be all that many at least for a while.


On the other hand, I do think as that eventually as the time will pass framegen will practically be a requirement. Although that would probably need a new console gen to truly become standard.

Which of course means that maybe 50-series might fall into awkward place of it being really good, but only in a few years from now. At which point unless someone needs that upgrade ASAP, might as well wait for 60-series.
 
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I’m skeptical of the 5070s claim of parity with the 4090. Especially because of the slide that seemed to show the 5070 going from 27fps native with full rt to 230 fps with dlss 4.

Yeah, they made all these claims with a lot of asterisks there.

I'll upgrade for the simple fact the price just might be right. I paid $1600 for my 4090... and Newegg's GPU trade in just offered me $1350 for it.

No hassles dealing with eBay etc... and paying the difference to get the 5090 makes it a no brainer.
 
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The latest and greatest once again. What about real world gaming and productivity results in real time for consumers BEFORE they invest into a new PC???? I am an old school retired gamer and system builder. So many issues discussed here with the latest high -end systems. I have not seen so many problems with new hardware as now. Please make informed choices with your new rig builds. Cheers.
 
I would wait to see actual 3rd reviewers benchmarks before even thinking about the 9070 and 9070xt ..

Also there was a mention of that black ops 6 in that video which frank made that the numbers were not totally correct !!

The 7900xtx is still a banger of a card for its price point 24gb and trading blows with the 4080 in raster..

RT is a still a hot and miss system unless your in the 4090 eco system then almost everything you can play at 60fps 4K RT ultra.

Everything below needs DLSS or lower settings that nerf graphics anyway !!

I dont use RT because well to start the 7900xtx isnt very good and to be honest it doesnt hurt my gameplay experience by not using it so why do i actually need it ??
Issue is games are requiring RT now it’s not just raster so you do actually need it.
 
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Seems suspicious. In my opinion it seems like a big joke
I mean, there is nothing to be suspicious about it - it is clear as day that what they meant is that if you slap on DLSS4 with Framegen x4, then the claim checks out.

Otherwise, 5070 will at best be 4080 level, which usually is how it is going gen to gen give or take. Outside of DLSS4, which probably will be properly supported by less than a dozen games total, it's just business as usual really.
 
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I mean, there is nothing to be suspicious about it - it is clear as day that what they meant is that if you slap on DLSS4 with Framegen x4, then the claim checks out.

Otherwise, 5070 will at best be 4080 level, which usually is how it is going gen to gen give or take. Outside of DLSS4, which probably will be properly supported by less than a dozen games total, it's just business as usual really.
Yeah man, pretty much
 
I mean, there is nothing to be suspicious about it - it is clear as day that what they meant is that if you slap on DLSS4 with Framegen x4, then the claim checks out.

Otherwise, 5070 will at best be 4080 level, which usually is how it is going gen to gen give or take. Outside of DLSS4, which probably will be properly supported by less than a dozen games total, it's just business as usual really.
75 games at launch and all games that have DLSS 3 which haven’t been updated can be manually I overridden to 4 through the nvidia app
 
A flop? No. Impossible. It's NVIDIA's next gen GPU. The top cards will have a decent raster improvement (max of around 25% if NVIDIA's slides are correct) at an eye-watering price increase.

I just hated how they portrayed it. RTX 4090 performance from the 5070 is ridiculously misleading. I know that both Intel and AMD push this kind of hogwash with new product announcements too, but that doesn't make it ok to do so.

We'll see how much that 25% raster improvement holds up to the scrutiny of 3rd party reviewers when it's released. It may literally be in one game (FC6) whereas other games don't show more than a 15% increase. Maybe a bit pessimistic on my part - we'll see.
 
A flop? No. Impossible. It's NVIDIA's next gen GPU. The top cards will have a decent raster improvement (max of around 25% if NVIDIA's slides are correct) at an eye-watering price increase.

I just hated how they portrayed it. RTX 4090 performance from the 5070 is ridiculously misleading. I know that both Intel and AMD push this kind of hogwash with new product announcements too, but that doesn't make it ok to do so.

We'll see how much that 25% raster improvement holds up to the scrutiny of 3rd party reviewers when it's released. It may literally be in one game (FC6) whereas other games don't show more than a 15% increase. Maybe a bit pessimistic on my part - we'll see.
I imagine it will depend on a card in question.

For example, it's not hard to imagine this being the case for 5090 vs 4090 - it literally had 30% more shaders and 80% more memory bandwidth. Even if Nvidia had no improvements at all in the architecture, that already would be well into 25% increased raster increase.

But on the other hand, you have 5080 vs 4080 and there it's 10% increased shader count with a tiny clock boost and 30% more memory bandwidth? That one will surely look much less impressive in comparisons.

I fully expect aside of DLSS4, 5080 to be more of an iterative increase of maybe 10-20% depending on title and that's about it.


It is clear the whole schtick of Series 50 is DLSS4 and it remains to be seen how good it would actually be. I'll admit - I'm a DLSS enjoyer, I think these kinds of techniques will be what will allow next gen graphics to eventually spread. But on the other hand, I feel Series 50 is 2 years too early for that party, and the food/booze ain't on the table yet.
 
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I feel Series 50 is 2 years too early for that party, and the food/booze ain't on the table yet.

I agree... but as I said in a previous comment... if Newegg is gonna give me $1350 trade for the 4090 I will bite on that deal and be happy with the 5090 for the next 4 years.
 
I dont think it is a matter of one company lot failing, but whether AI driven frame gen will get hold of the market. A company will be way better off selling and upselling a digital download than they will hardware. And software is easier to upgrade. Subscription based AI access for GPUs must also be in their cards. A true disruptor will compete with products that destroy everything in hardware and match AI. It's probably impossible, since AI will likely evolve and release quicker than any physical product.
 
I agree... but as I said in a previous comment... if Newegg is gonna give me $1350 trade for the 4090 I will bite on that deal and be happy with the 5090 for the next 4 years.
Oh, for sure, whoever buys 5090 is probably well set for half a decade.

I'll probably keep my ol' horse 3080Ti until Series 60, after all there is no 5080Ti yet and 5080 feels a bit off to me with its 16GB VRAM.
 
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