Is the AMD FX 8350 good for gaming

[Ramzzz2936]

amd fx 8350 is the best cpu from amd so u cant get any better better perfomance from amd and if u get and i5 u can upgrade to i7 i f u want more perfoamnce
simple as that
and an other thing i5 and 8350 have same perfoamce in almost every game

 

[Scott_D_Bowen]

Your relative must have a pretty poor video card then, eh?
- Since they can't even run Minecraft without it stuttering, maybe they're using the free integrated GPU on the Core i5?

- Looks like a really bad deal to me.
- The above graph was taken from a Radeon HD 7970 3GB card using v12.3 of the drivers.

The Core i5 outperforms the AMD-8350 in every game, the performance isn't close.
- performance including the minimum frame rate and stuttering.

1 in 8 frames will stutter on the AMD-8350 due to it's design, the Intel Core i5 is much smoother.
- The reason for this is that it is really just a 4 core CPU with SMT, the resource contention within the AMD-8350 makes it terrible to game on.

 

[Flomps]

Your relative must have a pretty poor video card then, eh?
- Since they can't even run Minecraft without it stuttering, maybe they're using the free integrated GPU on the Core i5?

http://techreport.com/r.x/amd-fx-8350/crysis-latency.gif
- Looks like a really bad deal to me.
- The above graph was taken from a Radeon HD 7970 3GB card using v12.3 of the drivers.

The Core i5 outperforms the AMD-8350 in every game, the performance isn't close.
- performance including the minimum frame rate and stuttering.

1 in 8 frames will stutter on the AMD-8350 due to it's design, the Intel Core i5 is much smoother.
- The reason for this is that it is really just a 4 core CPU with SMT, the resource contention within the AMD-8350 makes it terrible to game on.

1 in 8 frames do Not stutter. atleast i think they dont
2.i dont even know what latencies mean
3. BF3 multi-threading much?

im not being means or anything but saying the 8350 is terrible to game on is a bit too much.

also, im buying a sempron 145 to flash my bios (asus M5A78L-M/USB3) unless theres a cheaper way to do so?

gaming is what i do most, but read my list on the last post. could the i5 multitask that much (compared to the amd fx 8350 anyway)

 

[Flomps]

by the way, as long as the games have an fps of 50+ im okay

also ill be playing BF3,BOII,starcraft 2,minecraft,skyrim (not much), borderlands 1 and 2 and a few more,generally fps's, rts's that kind of thing.

 

[technoholic]

Scott, that graph shows 8350 much better than 8150 and VERY close to intel ones, maybe you should post another one which is clearer

 

[griptwister]

Go i5 it's clearly what you want and favor. If you want an i5 go for it. But the FX is for those of us who want a good price on a processor. The fact that ist a beast at multi tasking is nice too. You won't regret your decision Flomps. They're both great processors, and I can see it in your posts. Buy what you want most. That's what I did, and I'm satisfied.

 

[rolli59]

Go i5 it's clearly what you want and favor. If you want an i5 go for it. But the FX is for those of us who want a good price on a processor. The fact that ist a beast at multi tasking is nice too. You won't regret your decision Flomps. They're both great processors, and I can see it in your posts. Buy what you want most. That's what I did, and I'm satisfied.

It is good at multithreading but can fall back with multitasking! Here is the reason why from one of the reviews "It's all or nothing with Vishera. Mixed workloads that stress both single and multithreaded performance don't turn out as well on AMD's platform. With the FX-8350 AMD is able to sneak up on Sandy Bridge, but the competitive Ivy Bridge parts simply pull ahead. If there ever was a reason to fix AMD's single threaded performance, you're looking at it."

 

[maxalge]

Scott, that graph shows 8350 much better than 8150 and VERY close to intel ones, maybe you should post another one which is clearer

 

[rds1220]

hey guys, thanks for the help. the thing is i can find an fx 8350 and an i5 at the same price, but i dont know which one to choose. why? because ive already chosen my components for the fx 8350 but want to see if its worth the money.

If you can find the I5 for around the same price as the 8350 or for a little more than the I5 is the way to. It's the better processor.

 

[Flomps]

Go i5 it's clearly what you want and favor. If you want an i5 go for it. But the FX is for those of us who want a good price on a processor. The fact that ist a beast at multi tasking is nice too. You won't regret your decision Flomps. They're both great processors, and I can see it in your posts. Buy what you want most. That's what I did, and I'm satisfied.

Well, actually ive been trying to find everything that shows a hint of the 8350 being superior to the 95 3570k, the problem is, theres not much.

if the i5 can handle games, how about heavy multitasking and use of multithreading

 

[Flomps]

okay, i have come to a probably not going to be final decision,looking at anand tech im going to buy the i7 3770k for £242 because its multithreading performance is either slightly worse, on par or better, and single threading performance beats the FX 8350. the gaming performance is way better than an fx 8350. but its 86£/139$ more. is it worth it? im going to find a way to cheapen my rig to accommodate

 

[technoholic]

okay, i have come to a probably not going to be final decision,looking at anand tech im going to buy the i7 3770k for £242 because its multithreading performance is either slightly worse, on par or better, and single threading performance beats the FX 8350. the gaming performance is way better than an fx 8350. but its 86£/139$ more. is it worth it? im going to find a way to cheapen my rig to accommodate

You must decide what is more important for you. If gaming is more important, 3570k. If multithreading much, 3770k but i don't think 3570k is much slower in that either.

Edit: and if you won't overclock, you can even do with a 3470. If there is "k" at the end, it means the CPU is unlocked and can be overclocked. If you want future proofing though, you can get away with a 3570k and overclock it. And intel chips are good at heat and energy efficiency. You can overclock your 3570k and reach higher level of speed while keeping it still cool. If you are thinking about overclocking, you are advised to get an aftermarket cooler along with that CPU

 

[Flomps]

You must decide what is more important for you. If gaming is more important, 3570k. If multithreading much, 3770k but i don't think 3570k is much slower in that either.

Edit: and if you won't overclock, you can even do with a 3470. If there is "k" at the end, it means the CPU is unlocked and can be overclocked. If you want future proofing though, you can get away with a 3570k and overclock it. And intel chips are good at heat and energy efficiency. You can overclock your 3570k and reach higher level of speed while keeping it still cool. If you are thinking about overclocking, you are advised to get an aftermarket cooler along with that CPU

ive decided since my budget is 690£ i have decided,
this year i shall get:

Intel core i7 3770k | £242.27
Sapphire Radeon hd 7770 | 72.90
Western Digital Caviar Blue 160 GB |£24.90
Corsair 16GB (2x 8GB) Vengeance Performance Memory Module |£68.55
corsair 650w psu|£45.00
Gigabyte XKT-1155 Z68AP-D3 Motherboard (Rev 1.0)|£62.36
Acer S271HLAbid 27" Inch Full HD LED Display|£185.00
NEW MARS BLUE GAMING ATX CASE PC COMPUTER TOWER & LCD TEMP DISPLAY & CLEAR SIDE|£33.50
2.4Ghz Ultra Slim Wireless keyboard and mouse|£13.99

TOTAL: 687.47/ive yet to calculate

no aftermarket cooler. no overclock

next year i shall get:

Intel core i7 3770k | £242.27
Sapphire Radeon hd 7870 | ??? (i forget)
Western Digital Caviar Blue 160 GB |£24.90
Western Digital Caviar Blue 1 TB |??? (i forget)
Corsair 16GB (2x 8GB) Vengeance Performance Memory Module |£65.00
Powercool Modular 650W 80+ Dual 12V V2.2 High Efficiency PSU|£45.00
Gigabyte XKT-1155 Z68AP-D3 Motherboard (Rev 1.0)|£62.36
Acer S271HLAbid 27" Inch Full HD LED Display|£185.00
NEW MARS BLUE GAMING ATX CASE PC COMPUTER TOWER & LCD TEMP DISPLAY & CLEAR SIDE|£33.50
programmable mouse| £19.50
backlit keyboard|£23.50
Arctic Freezer Pro 13 Rev.2 CPU cooler

TOTAL: 917.47

and then overclock the transistors (geek joke) out of it.

that means i have, kickass single threaded performance and multithreading power to match.
next year i get kickass single threaded performance and multithreading power to match but then overclocked = good. *fibre-optic high five*

this way i get the best of both worlds. like semi-skimmed milk, only completely different.

 

[Flomps]

also im creating a new thread. that says exactly what the above post is.

 

[technoholic]

i strongly discourage you from building a rig like that. That is wrong example for a gaming rig. At a gaming rig you must put more budget for GPU. I assure you, you won't be playing any recent games with your first build and your build has issues cause at first you put there a single stick ram, your machine won't take advantage of dual channel memory bandwidth. Also i have never heard of that PSU brand, probably its a rip-off and probably you will have to replace it in a year or two. Please take more advices before making a decision. You can choose a caviar black hard disk for more cache and better speed

 

[Flomps]

i strongly discourage you from building a rig like that. That is wrong example for a gaming rig. At a gaming rig you must put more budget for GPU. I assure you, you won't be playing any recent games with your first build and your build has issues cause at first you put there a single stick ram, your machine won't take advantage of dual channel memory bandwidth. Also i have never heard of that PSU brand, probably its a rip-off and probably you will have to replace it in a year or two. Please take more advices before making a decision. You can choose a caviar black hard disk for more cache and better speed

okay...

 

[mohit9206]

i5+7870 is much superior to i7+7770

 

[Flomps]

i5+7870 is much superior to i7+7770

the 7770 is a temporary thing. lets me play minecraft until i get the 7970 Crossfire. (if it can)

 

[grumbledook]

You won't even need a 7770 for minecraft, even a 6450 should give you about 30fps in 1080p. Why do you need 7970 in crossfire? You shouldn't go from high/medium setting and performance per watt to getting a 7970 in crossfire...

 

[geekdgreen]

ive decided since my budget is 690£ i have decided,
this year i shall get:

Intel core i7 3770k | £242.27
Sapphire Radeon hd 7770 | 72.90
Western Digital Caviar Blue 160 GB |£24.90
Corsair 16GB (2x 8GB) Vengeance Performance Memory Module |£68.55
corsair 650w psu|£45.00
Gigabyte XKT-1155 Z68AP-D3 Motherboard (Rev 1.0)|£62.36
Acer S271HLAbid 27" Inch Full HD LED Display|£185.00
NEW MARS BLUE GAMING ATX CASE PC COMPUTER TOWER & LCD TEMP DISPLAY & CLEAR SIDE|£33.50
2.4Ghz Ultra Slim Wireless keyboard and mouse|£13.99

TOTAL: 687.47/ive yet to calculate

no aftermarket cooler. no overclock

next year i shall get:

Intel core i7 3770k | £242.27
Sapphire Radeon hd 7870 | ??? (i forget)
Western Digital Caviar Blue 160 GB |£24.90
Western Digital Caviar Blue 1 TB |??? (i forget)
Corsair 16GB (2x 8GB) Vengeance Performance Memory Module |£65.00
Powercool Modular 650W 80+ Dual 12V V2.2 High Efficiency PSU|£45.00
Gigabyte XKT-1155 Z68AP-D3 Motherboard (Rev 1.0)|£62.36
Acer S271HLAbid 27" Inch Full HD LED Display|£185.00
NEW MARS BLUE GAMING ATX CASE PC COMPUTER TOWER & LCD TEMP DISPLAY & CLEAR SIDE|£33.50
programmable mouse| £19.50
backlit keyboard|£23.50
Arctic Freezer Pro 13 Rev.2 CPU cooler

TOTAL: 917.47

and then overclock the transistors (geek joke) out of it.

that means i have, kickass single threaded performance and multithreading power to match.
next year i get kickass single threaded performance and multithreading power to match but then overclocked = good. *fibre-optic high five*

this way i get the best of both worlds. like semi-skimmed milk, only completely different.

well you said you might want to put 7970 in crossfire?
than that motherboard would be useless to you....
Im guessing it has a 1 pcie 2.0 x16 and the 2nd pcie slot is at 4x so if do a crossfire setup it would be running at 4x and 4x on both slots. You should invest in a better motherboard, even a z77 that has pcie 3.0...
why pcie 3.0 well if you have 1 pcie at 16x and the 2nd one at 8x...theyd both be running at same speeds as pcie 2.0 16x if you do a crossfire/sli since pcie has double bandwith.

 

[Flomps]

well you said you might want to put 7970 in crossfire?
than that motherboard would be useless to you....
Im guessing it has a 1 pcie 2.0 x16 and the 2nd pcie slot is at 4x so if do a crossfire setup it would be running at 4x and 4x on both slots. You should invest in a better motherboard, even a z77 that has pcie 3.0...
why pcie 3.0 well if you have 1 pcie at 16x and the 2nd one at 8x...theyd both be running at same speeds as pcie 2.0 16x if you do a crossfire/sli since pcie has double bandwith.

i wrote if it can. but im not actually really sure about spending 900 quid + on a gpu. i will prbs get the 7970 though. also's is the I7 3770K powerful, as in can it play games on max with no problems

 

[Flomps]

also i want 7970 in crossfire so my rig can play the most graphics intensive games on max for years to come, without any strain.

 

[darksparten]

The FX-8350 actually doesn't have a ton of L2 cache, the L2 cache is per module, each module has 2 cores, so divide by 2, 1MB L2 cache, which is basically the same as Intel.

Intel has better IPC protocols, and better efficiency/overclockability(limit at 4.2GHz, compared to next to no OC for the FX) but the FX is heavily threaded and is therefore capable of better multitasking/editing/productivity than an i5. The i5 in my opinion wins for gaming hands down.

BTW instead of 7970 CF get 2 4GB GTX680 CF, it has more memory for better future proofing and are faster too. But if you want 7970 crossfire make sure to CF the GHz editions(Good ones are Msi Twin Frozr IV and Vapor-X). The best is the Sapphire Toxic 7970 6GB(beats GTX680 by quite a lot) for about 670 on NCIX.

 

[technoholic]

Isn't the Asus matrix 7970 faster than that sapphire?

 

[griptwister]

3770k is one of the most powerful cpu's available. The cpu is more then enough for any gpu olut now.

If I could have afforded it, I would have bought it!