Is the Human Brain the Fastest Cpu

[skittle]

There are people that can actually read two pages of a book simultaneaously - one page per eye, and still have good comprehension.

This is incorrect, the field of vision is not split up per eye, but per a single eye.
What you stated would only be possible if the corpus collosum were cut, you split up field of vision to put the two pages on either side (so the left and right hemispheres would each get a different page) and even then the two hemispheres could not communicate and thus you would not be able to comprehend the two readings.

 

[SSS_DDK]

The human brain can recognize a face among thousands, get a 3D shape out of a single photo (Shape from shading), listen to a recorded soundand recognize difefrent people's voices, maintain its equilibrium while eating a sandwich and talking on the phone (though not very polite), memorize every single thing that happened to you from your birth in a contextual way(remember the scenery, the sound, the feeling, the breeze, etc...though you might need hypnotising to access it), dig up an old memory in microseconds, visualize a complex shape out of simple discription, recognize a shape out of a single partial photo.......if you ever tried programming any of those, you'd know that your brain is far better than any CPU.... As for computing, we are not made for that, though you can train your brain to be very fast....Try to ask a computer to solve an abstract matter....

 

[SSS_DDK]

There are people that can actually read two pages of a book simultaneaously - one page per eye, and still have good comprehension.

This is incorrect, the field of vision is not split up per eye, but per a single eye.
What you stated would only be possible if the corpus collosum were cut, you split up field of vision to put the two pages on either side (so the left and right hemispheres would each get a different page) and even then the two hemispheres could not communicate and thus you would not be able to comprehend the two readings.

AGREED..but i think they're a disease that causes that...this is certainly no intelligence...

 

[elbert]

i think this would be the best place to discuss this

in another thread the point was raised that the fastest CPU is the Human Brain not wanting to hijack a thread i thought i would post a new one

The Human Brain is the Fastest Cpu

now thats open to debate. seeing as a brain acts as both a hard drive and CPU also.

also what is 928346*98236?
im sure the computer can do that faster than the human brain hell try doing what super pi does in 30s in your brain.

i would suggest that a human brain is more like a 100 core processor with a lot of them dedicated to individual functions that wouldnt be much good at doing other things (cpu cant act as a Gpu)

what makes something the fastest CPU?

The human brain is by far the fastest. Try getting a computer to balance itself. Ive not seen any computer using 4 legs balance itself none the less 2 legs. You see gyros used in robots but thats not the computer processing to keeps itself balanced. Our scenes is another thing computers just cant process no where near that of humans. Hearing, as long as we know the langauge, we can understand just about anyone but a computer struggles to understand just 1 person with the best speech recognition software. All the colors the human eye can recognize would overwhelm any computer in a game. Our texture size seems infinite compared to the 512X512 that will slow the newest PC's down in games.

The bottom line is the human brain is done more to input 928346*98236 than the computer could process in its lifespan.

The fact is a single dogs brain is more powerful than every computer on earth.

 

[zarooch]

The fastest CPU in the world is in essence a really complicated abacus. Core 2 Quads and QuadFX's? Multi - leveled abacus's. Our brain is not even comparable to these things in the complexity and sheer vastness of power that it contains. Your CPU might be able to calculate the square root of pi to the millionth place, but can it feel? Can it exist? Is it aware? And by all these things I don't mean a hollow emulation of human emotions and philosophies but the actual capacity to think.

There are robots which can feel, they surely do exist and yes self-awareness has also been cracked! If you need some material on it I can provide you.

 

[dasickninja]

No bull? Link me.

 

[zarooch]

The human brain can recognize a face among thousands, get a 3D shape out of a single photo (Shape from shading), listen to a recorded soundand recognize difefrent people's voices, maintain its equilibrium while eating a sandwich and talking on the phone (though not very polite), memorize every single thing that happened to you from your birth in a contextual way(remember the scenery, the sound, the feeling, the breeze, etc...though you might need hypnotising to access it), dig up an old memory in microseconds, visualize a complex shape out of simple discription, recognize a shape out of a single partial photo.......if you ever tried programming any of those, you'd know that your brain is far better than any CPU.... As for computing, we are not made for that, though you can train your brain to be very fast....Try to ask a computer to solve an abstract matter....

Strictly speaking an ANN with sufficient neurons can do all the above! I'm not talking about your daily life CPU. I'm talking about ANNs which can be compared to a human brain.

 

[SSS_DDK]

The fastest CPU in the world is in essence a really complicated abacus. Core 2 Quads and QuadFX's? Multi - leveled abacus's. Our brain is not even comparable to these things in the complexity and sheer vastness of power that it contains. Your CPU might be able to calculate the square root of pi to the millionth place, but can it feel? Can it exist? Is it aware? And by all these things I don't mean a hollow emulation of human emotions and philosophies but the actual capacity to think.

There are robots which can feel, they surely do exist and yes self-awareness has also been cracked! If you need some material on it I can provide you.

You can't link us to something that does not exist.... Even ifthe website says so (sunfday times or such) If you want cutting edge info, search for the artificial life conference.... there you'll find where research is... until now they've managed to cretae great emerging behaviors....but it's still very far away from where humans are..... eventually we'll get there, but it's still a very long way... Honestly how many times have you read about cancer cure??

 

[skittle]

ANNs still rely on algorithms to solve problems, therefore they are still not as efficient as a human brain.

 

[SSS_DDK]

yeah, if you ahve a ANN with 10 billion of constantly evolving, multi level (not just binary) interconnections, all arranged in the right way, and left long enough to evolve and you stick close by to teah them (ANNs have to be tought you know)..then probably you can make it...but that's no CPU....It's an ANN ....and it's no longer about being fast....but a CPU has to be pretty darn fast to do that ....coz a CPU doesn't learn new responses like an ANN..it calculates

 

[wolverinero79]

Oh man, it's like Internet forums right after the Matrix was released all over again. 😀

 

[Twisted_Sister]

Oh man, it's like Internet forums right after the Matrix was released all over again. 😀

Matrix 1 ruled.

Matrix 2 was pretty good (because you thought it would go somewhere in Matrix 3)

Matrix 3 was a big let down.

All were cool, but the first one was by far the best.

Matrix 1 >> Starwars: Episodes 1-3

BUT << LOTR

Let the flames begin!!! 😛

 

[RamboMadCow]

Don't get this thread off track 😛

 

[zarooch]

yeah, if you ahve a ANN with 10 billion of constantly evolving, multi level (not just binary) interconnections, all arranged in the right way, and left long enough to evolve and you stick close by to teah them (ANNs have to be tought you know)..then probably you can make it...but that's no CPU....It's an ANN ....and it's no longer about being fast....but a CPU has to be pretty darn fast to do that ....coz a CPU doesn't learn new responses like an ANN..it calculates

yes I know you are right, we'll need billions of neurons. As I mentioned in my very fist response (the first one on page 2), a CPU can't be compared with a human brain, rather a ANN could be.

 

[sailer]

Humans on the other hand rely heavily upon heuristics to make decisions, something computers simply have a hard time doing. Basically heuristics allow humans to take past experiences and knowledge and make INSTANT decisions, or if you prefer you could call them guesses.

Yes, her istics do allow me to take past esperiences and knowledge and make instant decisions so that I can know whether or not saying something will get my face slapped and maybe a lawsuit, or I'll have a good night, if you know what I mean. Guessing is not allowed.

 

[sweetpants]

i think this would be the best place to discuss this

in another thread the point was raised that the fastest CPU is the Human Brain not wanting to hijack a thread i thought i would post a new one

The Human Brain is the Fastest Cpu

now thats open to debate. seeing as a brain acts as both a hard drive and CPU also.

also what is 928346*98236?
im sure the computer can do that faster than the human brain hell try doing what super pi does in 30s in your brain.

i would suggest that a human brain is more like a 100 core processor with a lot of them dedicated to individual functions that wouldnt be much good at doing other things (cpu cant act as a Gpu)

what makes something the fastest CPU?

This an interesting question...

I would say a CPU can recall information, quicker, line for line of binary coding... etc...

However, I would say the brain takes the cake in processing power. Reason? The ability to adapt to any situation.

 

[rodney_ws]

CPUs are faster but the brain is MUCH MORE EFFICIENT. The big key is that a human can always beat a computer in calculation speed by just unplugging the PC.

True... but god help us when the computers figure out how to turn off our water or oxygen. Not trying to thread hijack, but I did hear something where in 200+ years some experts are predicting that robots will begin to demand rights and at some point they may even decide that we (people) are unnecessary.

Today we unplug them... tomorrow they unplug us.

 

[Twisted_Sister]

Don't get this thread off track 😛

Don't worry... I don't think anybody here will argue those rankings of movies.

1) LOTR
2) Matrix
3) StarWars (1-3)

 

[rubix_1011]

Don't get this thread off track 😛

Far too late for that.

 

[zarooch]

ANNs still rely on algorithms to solve problems, therefore they are still not as efficient as a human brain.

Clearly you haven't seen much yet!

An algorithm is a set of precise steps to perform a specific task, don't we use algorithms? we surely do! so why can't they. Algorithms are used to make them learn on sample set of problems about how to solve them, not all of the problems in the world!

For example, if we want an ANN to recognize an apple, will we collect all the apples from around the world? No, absolutely not! we will train it on a sample set of apples, so that when an unseen apples comes in front of it, it will still recognize it! and there are many more examples!

 

[RamboMadCow]

I'm going to quote myself again cause I don't think some people read it. The human brain is faster than a cpu, you just have to train it in the specific task that you want it to do.

I think you guys are forgetting something very important here. There are many people out in the world that can actually calculate any mathematical equation faster than computers. Most people can not do it, but the simple fact that some people can shows the true power of the brain. In fact, the brain is powerful enough to compute any mathematical equation faster than a computer, you just have to have that ability unlocked in your brain.

 

[sweetpants]

I'm going to quote myself again cause I don't think some people read it. The human brain is faster than a cpu, you just have to train it in the specific task that you want it to do.

I think you guys are forgetting something very important here. There are many people out in the world that can actually calculate any mathematical equation faster than computers. Most people can not do it, but the simple fact that some people can shows the true power of the brain. In fact, the brain is powerful enough to compute any mathematical equation faster than a computer, you just have to have that ability unlocked in your brain.

Which gets back to what I said...

I feel the brain is more powerful due to the ease of adaptability.

 

[Onthefarside]

If humans could use 100% of their brains, retards on the internet would be 5 times as annoying? or just link 5 times as many articles from the inquirer?
The way neurons interact is nothing more than chemical equilibrium. How fast does it take for certain ions to rush in and out between membranes, can perhaps be related to dialectrics and transistor size. Pesonally I think this question is outside of the scope of human understanding, w know only a small fraction of what really happens in our nervous system.

 

[Volescu]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YxZJYbVd1hE

 

[xaat_kil]

Reducing perception of reality to mathematical functions is underestimating the importance of the totality of experiencing reality. Sunshine feels good, sex feels great, in ways that are not reducable to math without losing the importance of the whole experience. A computer can compute how much the sunlight has increased temperature, for example, but it cannot experience the feeling that sunlight can inspire in a self aware being. A week old kitten can experience a range of emotions that is still impossible to instill in any amount of hardware, and each kitten in the litter is a unique individual percieving its reality in a different way. No comparison can be drawn between the perception of the totality of reality and machinery merely analyzing information drawn from that reality.
Someone mentioned that people can walk, talk and chew gum at the same time, but the critical difference is that a human will want to chew gum, will want to talk, and will want to walk, whereas the computer controlled robot will have to be programmed to do these things and will not do them of its own accord, nor will it choose peppermint gum over cherry because of its own desires and taste. Merely tasting the gum is beyond the capability of current machinery, and forming impressions of whether peppermint is more to an individual's taste than cherry is probably beyond the scope of math, other than for prediction through analyzing statistics.
I guess the short version is that we are attempting to compare apples and oranges, the computer will win at math, but the human has won the competition before it starts because we can realize the overall importance of the information and whether the math is worth doing or whether we should just go somewhere for a good meal, conversation, and good times while we let the computer crunch the numbers.