Question Is there a problem with pairing a 5500 with a 7800xt?

[CoffeeStoreGuy]

Kind of already bought the parts and they are already on their way, but a few people have called me stupid for pairing this GPU with this CPU. When I look at the numbers it doesn't look that bad. Actually looks pretty good especially at 1440p which is what I'll be playing most games at. I've looked at 3dmark benchmarks with this CPU and the 5600x and 5800x3D and the numbers are negligible. The CPU is a sub $100 CPU and runs at a higher clock than my current CPU. I also don't think the bottleneck will be too bad if I'm playing at 1440p.

Here is what I bought: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/4pDd9C

I've watch multiple videos. I've checked multiple benchmarks. The performance looks good in most games and if I need to upgrade in a couple years I probably could. Hopefully the GPU doesn't give out. Is this a horrible setup? Should I have not done this?

 

[COLGeek]

Should be okay overall. Don't sweat it too much.

 

[Aeacus]

Is this a horrible setup?

CPU to GPU ratio is a bit heavy on the GPU side but nothing to be concerned about.

Then again, it really comes down if the game is CPU bound or GPU bound. In CPU bound games, (e.g Cities:Skylines) GPU is hardly used, while CPU is the one that has to do most of the computing. And in GPU bound games, it is vice-versa. Since most people like to play GPU bound games more than CPU bound games, it is actually normal to get beefier GPU than CPU.

As far as the rest of the build goes;
870 Evo is good SSD and if you put OS there, then you're good. While M.2 NVMe SSD would've given you a bit faster read/write times, you couldn't tell a diff in real world usage (unless moving around large files).
HDDs are slow and other than holding personal data on them (pics, music, vids etc), they have no real benefit. Though, don't install your games on HDD since else-ways, game loading times would be VERY slow. Install games to SSD.

However, there is a BIG flaw with your build;
PSU.

EVGA BP is low quality PSU, borderline crap. So, why did you buy it? 🤔

Should I have not done this?

Since PSU powers everything, it is the most important component inside the PC.
Hence why NEVER cheap out on PSU! And never buy used PSU either.

The lower the PSU's build quality, the higher the chance of PSU going "pop", releasing magic smoke and frying everything it is connected to (aka your whole PC).
And with your PSU, the question isn't IF the PSU blows up, but WHEN it blows up. Since it is almost the worst EVGA PSU you could get. Only thing worse than EVGA BP-series, are EVGA W1, N1 and N2-series.

So, new, good quality PSU is a must. Unless you want to risk frying your new and fancy GPU. MoBo too. RAM and CPU are more durable but not invulnerable either.

Good PSUs to go for, are: Seasonic Focus/Vertex/PRIME, Corsair RMx/RMi/HXi/AXi, Super Flower Leadex Gold/Platinum/Titanium.
Or if you want the latest ATX 3.0/3.1 PSU, then: https://hwbusters.com/best_picks/best-atxv3-pcie5-ready-psus-picks-hardware-busters/

(My 3x PCs are also powered by Seasonic. I have 2x PRIME TX-650 units and one Focus PX-550 unit. Full specs with pics in my sig.)

 

[CoffeeStoreGuy]

CPU to GPU ratio is a bit heavy on the GPU side but nothing to be concerned about.

Then again, it really comes down if the game is CPU bound or GPU bound. In CPU bound games, (e.g Cities:Skylines) GPU is hardly used, while CPU is the one that has to do most of the computing. And in GPU bound games, it is vice-versa. Since most people like to play GPU bound games more than CPU bound games, it is actually normal to get beefier GPU than CPU.

As far as the rest of the build goes;
870 Evo is good SSD and if you put OS there, then you're good. While M.2 NVMe SSD would've given you a bit faster read/write times, you couldn't tell a diff in real world usage (unless moving around large files).
HDDs are slow and other than holding personal data on them (pics, music, vids etc), they have no real benefit. Though, don't install your games on HDD since else-ways, game loading times would be VERY slow. Install games to SSD.

However, there is a BIG flaw with your build;
PSU.

EVGA BP is low quality PSU, borderline crap. So, why did you buy it? 🤔


Since PSU powers everything, it is the most important component inside the PC.
Hence why NEVER cheap out on PSU! And never buy used PSU either.

The lower the PSU's build quality, the higher the chance of PSU going "pop", releasing magic smoke and frying everything it is connected to (aka your whole PC).
And with your PSU, the question isn't IF the PSU blows up, but WHEN it blows up. Since it is almost the worst EVGA PSU you could get. Only thing worse than EVGA BP-series, are EVGA W1, N1 and N2-series.

So, new, good quality PSU is a must. Unless you want to risk frying your new and fancy GPU. MoBo too. RAM and CPU are more durable but not invulnerable either.

Good PSUs to go for, are: Seasonic Focus/Vertex/PRIME, Corsair RMx/RMi/HXi/AXi, Super Flower Leadex Gold/Platinum/Titanium.
Or if you want the latest ATX 3.0/3.1 PSU, then: https://hwbusters.com/best_picks/best-atxv3-pcie5-ready-psus-picks-hardware-busters/

(My 3x PCs are also powered by Seasonic. I have 2x PRIME TX-650 units and one Focus PX-550 unit. Full specs with pics in my sig.)

The PSU I bought a year ago, and I didn't want to stop using it. The max voltage for the build is on Pcpartpicker and from what I hear the 7000 series cards do not have MASSIVE power spikes like the 6000 series cards did, and usually stay around 250 to 265 watts. If my system shuts down (which I hope that's all it does) I'll undervolt it until I can get a new PSU.

The recommended wattage is 700 watts I'm not too far off the recommended, but I don't think it would go that far. I'm just trying to get in before the tariffs destroy electronics prices. I've been waiting for years for an upgrade.

 

[Flayed]

Kind of already bought the parts and they are already on their way, but a few people have called me stupid for pairing this GPU with this CPU. When I look at the numbers it doesn't look that bad. Actually looks pretty good especially at 1440p which is what I'll be playing most games at. I've looked at 3dmark benchmarks with this CPU and the 5600x and 5800x3D and the numbers are negligible. The CPU is a sub $100 CPU and runs at a higher clock than my current CPU. I also don't think the bottleneck will be too bad if I'm playing at 1440p.

Here is what I bought: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/4pDd9C

I've watch multiple videos. I've checked multiple benchmarks. The performance looks good in most games and if I need to upgrade in a couple years I probably could. Hopefully the GPU doesn't give out. Is this a horrible setup? Should I have not done this?

I've been gaming on a similar setup (R5 3600 & RTX 3070) at 1440p without any major issues, although the upgrade itch may get scratched soon.

 

[John Chesterfield]

The PSU I bought a year ago, and I didn't want to stop using it.

Well use it if you must, but don't say you haven't been warned about it.

It's a TERRIBLE unit and it's the reason I would never buy an EVGA power supply, too much variance in quality and OEMs. This one is a real turd.

 

[Aeacus]

The PSU I bought a year ago, and I didn't want to stop using it. The max voltage for the build is on Pcpartpicker and from what I hear the 7000 series cards do not have MASSIVE power spikes like the 6000 series cards did, and usually stay around 250 to 265 watts. If my system shuts down (which I hope that's all it does) I'll undervolt it until I can get a new PSU.

The recommended wattage is 700 watts I'm not too far off the recommended, but I don't think it would go that far. I'm just trying to get in before the tariffs destroy electronics prices. I've been waiting for years for an upgrade.

No, there are no excuses why to cheap out on PSU. Especially when you can afford $500 bucks GPU.

Rather than buying $500 bucks GPU, return it and buy $300 bucks GPU (e.g RX 7600 XT). Then you have plenty of free money to buy proper, good quality PSU.
So, don't come saying you don't have enough money for proper PSU.

Alternative, like i said, is when your PSU goes belly up. You hoping that it only shuts down your PC, without damaging anything, would only be valid if you use good or great quality PSU. With those well built PSUs, there are little concern of overloading the PSU or PSU itself giving up the ghost. But with your, essentially crap quality EVGA PSU, there are no grounds to be that hopeful.

I'll run some numbers for you;

RX 7800 XT puts out ~133 FPS on 1080p.
RX 7600 XT puts out ~90 FPS on 1080p.

Direct link if image doesn't load: https://cdn.mos.cms.futurecdn.net/7SntzLrnCYC4EcMdjW2jZf-970-80.png.webp
Source: https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/gpus/amd-radeon-rx-7600-xt-review/2

Returning RX 7800 XT and going with RX 7600 XT + good quality PSU, leaves you ~90 FPS, which is very much playable FPS.

But if you keep your EVGA junk and it fries your whole system, you're looking at:
$80 for new CPU
$100 for new MoBo
$40 for new RAM
$40 for new WD Blue 1TB HDD
$100 for new WD Black 2TB HDD
$160 for new Samsung 870 Evo 1TB SSD
~$500 for new GPU
~$200 for new PSU, good quality unit.

Total: ~$1220 to replace your PC + buying new PSU.

So, would you rather have ~40 FPS less in games?
Or would you rather pay ~$1200?
🙄

Since it looks to me, that you'd rather have the extra ~40 FPS in games and are willing to fork out ~$1200 bucks for few months (if even that) for the extra FPS;
compared to getting cheaper GPU and proper, good quality PSU now, where good quality PSU can easily last you 10 years but only taking a small hit on FPS.

I've said it before and i'll say it again: Since PSU powers everything, it is THE MOST IMPORTANT component inside the PC!
No matter how much extra FPS there is, 50, 100, 5000, it is NEVER worth on cheaping out on PSU.

The recommended wattage is 700 watts I'm not too far off the recommended, but I don't think it would go that far.

Coming 50W short is far worse than exceeding the wattage with 500W.

If you REALLY think that wattage amount is only thing that defines PSUs and their worth, here, a "proper" PSU for you;
Apevia ATX-ES700-RGB 700W,
pcpp: https://pcpartpicker.com/product/2f...w-semi-modular-atx-power-supply-atx-es700-rgb

It is cheaper than your EVGA BP 650W ($55-$86 vs $49), has 50W more capacity (700W) and the best of all, has ARGB fan in it for eyecandy.
So, you could sell your EVGA BP unit and buy the Apevia one.

Would you do that?
If not, then why not?
🤔

 

[Flayed]

Having a gaming system with a good-quality PSU is a must.

 

[CoffeeStoreGuy]

No, there are no excuses why to cheap out on PSU. Especially when you can afford $500 bucks GPU.

Rather than buying $500 bucks GPU, return it and buy $300 bucks GPU (e.g RX 7600 XT). Then you have plenty of free money to buy proper, good quality PSU.
So, don't come saying you don't have enough money for proper PSU.

Alternative, like i said, is when your PSU goes belly up. You hoping that it only shuts down your PC, without damaging anything, would only be valid if you use good or great quality PSU. With those well built PSUs, there are little concern of overloading the PSU or PSU itself giving up the ghost. But with your, essentially crap quality EVGA PSU, there are no grounds to be that hopeful.

I'll run some numbers for you;

RX 7800 XT puts out ~133 FPS on 1080p.
RX 7600 XT puts out ~90 FPS on 1080p.

Direct link if image doesn't load: https://cdn.mos.cms.futurecdn.net/7SntzLrnCYC4EcMdjW2jZf-970-80.png.webp
Source: https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/gpus/amd-radeon-rx-7600-xt-review/2

Returning RX 7800 XT and going with RX 7600 XT + good quality PSU, leaves you ~90 FPS, which is very much playable FPS.

But if you keep your EVGA junk and it fries your whole system, you're looking at:
$80 for new CPU
$100 for new MoBo
$40 for new RAM
$40 for new WD Blue 1TB HDD
$100 for new WD Black 2TB HDD
$160 for new Samsung 870 Evo 1TB SSD
~$500 for new GPU
~$200 for new PSU, good quality unit.

Total: ~$1220 to replace your PC + buying new PSU.

So, would you rather have ~40 FPS less in games?
Or would you rather pay ~$1200?
🙄

Since it looks to me, that you'd rather have the extra ~40 FPS in games and are willing to fork out ~$1200 bucks for few months (if even that) for the extra FPS;
compared to getting cheaper GPU and proper, good quality PSU now, where good quality PSU can easily last you 10 years but only taking a small hit on FPS.

I've said it before and i'll say it again: Since PSU powers everything, it is THE MOST IMPORTANT component inside the PC!
No matter how much extra FPS there is, 50, 100, 5000, it is NEVER worth on cheaping out on PSU.


Coming 50W short is far worse than exceeding the wattage with 500W.

If you REALLY think that wattage amount is only thing that defines PSUs and their worth, here, a "proper" PSU for you;
Apevia ATX-ES700-RGB 700W,
pcpp: https://pcpartpicker.com/product/2f...w-semi-modular-atx-power-supply-atx-es700-rgb

It is cheaper than your EVGA BP 650W ($55-$86 vs $49), has 50W more capacity (700W) and the best of all, has ARGB fan in it for eyecandy.
So, you could sell your EVGA BP unit and buy the Apevia one.

Would you do that?
If not, then why not?
🤔

Ok, you are right. I'm caving in. I'm returning the 7800xt and getting a 7700xt then buying a PSU. I feel like it would of been fine if the cables were individual cables, but I just checked and they are daisy chained. I'm not confident in it's capabilities. I will be playing all of these games at 1440p and I'm sure the 7700xt is still a competent 1440p card.

 

[USAFRet]

Ok, you are right. I'm caving in. I'm returning the 7800xt and getting a 7700xt then buying a PSU. I feel like it would of been fine if the cables were individual cables, but I just checked and they are daisy chained. I'm not confident in it's capabilities. I will be playing all of these games at 1440p and I'm sure the 7700xt is still a competent 1440p card.

PSU first.
Then the GPU.

 

[ohio_buckeye]

On cards, once you get the psu sorted out, you may look to see if there’s even an rx 6800xt for sale still. Those are the previous generation but still perform mostly in line with the 7800xt so if you happen to find a deal on one then you’d still be close to the same level.

 

[Aeacus]

I'm returning the 7800xt and getting a 7700xt then buying a PSU.

As USAFRet already said, 1st comes new, good quality PSU and then, whatever money is left over, look for a GPU.

Else-ways, you'll end up in the same situation, where you do not have enough money for proper, good quality PSU; whereby you either cheap out on PSU again, OR have to return the 2nd GPU to free enough funds.

So, once more:
#1: PSU.
Then, with leftover money, look at any GPU you can afford. You can even look towards 2nd hand market if you want it cheaper.
But NEVER buy used PSU! Only brand new one.

 

[LordVile]

Personally wouldn’t buy a 7800XT again having owned one previously and see little point buying into AM4 at this stage

 

[--SID--]

here, a "proper" PSU for you;
Apevia ATX-ES700-RGB 700W,

Funny recommandation for someone who says not to cheap out on a PSU.. The Apevia is even more crap than a EVGA BP. With 636w @12v the Apevia isn't more powerful than the EVGA with 650w @12v. Besides that the Apevia has a groupregulated design where the EVGA has DC-DC. The EVGA is the superior unit.

 

[Aeacus]

Funny recommandation for someone who says not to cheap out on a PSU..

I guess you didn't get the joke....

 

[Flayed]

Personally wouldn’t buy a 7800XT again having owned one previously and see little point buying into AM4 at this stage

The point of buying into AM4 now is the low cost, not everyone can afford the latest and greatest.

 

[ohio_buckeye]

Not to sound uncaring because I do get what it’s like to be short on funds as I’ve been there and done that, and if that’s where someone is at, that’s fine. But if possible it’s best to buy into the newer platform as things at some point will begin coming down and you’ll want the ability to upgrade.

That being said AMD and their folks need to remember who got them where they are. Prices on many of their mid range boards are NUTS! I can remember when paying 100 bucks got you a pretty nice higher end motherboard unless you were getting into crazy territory. Now you’re lucky to find a cheap b650 board from overseas for that. Whereas I can go on aliexpress right now and get an off brand b450 board for less than 50 bucks. My b350 board was about 70 bucks back in the day.

Myself, one reason I could buy into am5 was due to Microcenter having bundle deals. I had AMD stuff for years and had an Intel box before this mainly because of cost. But before that AMD was always the good value option. While they need to make a profit they also need to remember the folks who got them there and bought their products when they were nearly bankrupt.

 

[LordVile]

The point of buying into AM4 now is the low cost, not everyone can afford the latest and greatest.

It’s not much lower cost at this point though. DDR5 isn’t expensive anymore, the B series boards aren’t either they’re actually about the same price on AM4 and 5. The only more expensive thing is the CPU but you can a 8400F for under 100.

 

[CoffeeStoreGuy]

It’s not much lower cost at this point though. DDR5 isn’t expensive anymore, the B series boards aren’t either they’re actually about the same price on AM4 and 5. The only more expensive thing is the CPU but you can a 8400F for under 100.

Idk about that. I've looked at multiple boards and cpus. I can't find a CPU for the same price as i can the 5500 and I can't find a mono below $140. These also include shipping. Ill upgrade to AM5 When the prices become reasonable.

 

[Aeacus]

I can't find a CPU for the same price as i can the 5500

That's true. Cheapest AM5 CPU costs double of the R5 5500.
Pcpp: https://pcpartpicker.com/products/cpu/#m=6&sort=price&k=33,41

and I can't find a mono below $140

Cheapest AM5 socket MoBo is actually $70 bucks, MSI Pro A620M-E (currently on sale on MSI store),
pcpp: https://pcpartpicker.com/products/motherboard/#s=41&sort=price&page=1

Ill upgrade to AM5 When the prices become reasonable.

It will never happen.

Inflation = prices (numbers) go higher regardless.
And with the price the AMD AM5 CPU/MoBos are currently sold at, these remain. There may be some sales (like the MSI Pro A620M-E MoBo currently is) or bundle deals, but the main price will remain.

Best example of rising prices would be GPUs, namely Nvidia ones.
GTX 1080 Ti, the best Pascal architecture GPU, MSRP when it launched in March '17, was $699.
RTX 2080 Ti, the best Turing architecture GPU, MSRP when it launched in Sept '18, was $1199.
RTX 3090 Ti, the best Ampere architecture GPU, MSRP when it launched in March '22, was $1999.
RTX 4090, the best Ada Lovelace architecture GPU, MSRP when it launched in Oct '22, was $1599.

In past 5 years, the best GPU from Nvidia, has seen considerable price increase. Sure, RTX 4090, compared to RTX 3090 Ti, did come down in price. But when RTX 4090 is compared to the GTX 1080 Ti, the price has more than doubled.

So, no, hardware prices will not come down to "reasonable" levels. They only go up.

 

[stonecarver]

It will never happen.

Inflation = prices (numbers) go higher regardless.
And with the price the AMD AM5 CPU/MoBos are currently sold at, these remain. There may be some sales (like the MSI Pro A620M-E MoBo currently is) or bundle deals, but the main price will remain.

Best example of rising prices would be GPUs, namely Nvidia ones.
GTX 1080 Ti, the best Pascal architecture GPU, MSRP when it launched in March '17, was $699.
RTX 2080 Ti, the best Turing architecture GPU, MSRP when it launched in Sept '18, was $1199.
RTX 3090 Ti, the best Ampere architecture GPU, MSRP when it launched in March '22, was $1999.
RTX 4090, the best Ada Lovelace architecture GPU, MSRP when it launched in Oct '22, was $1599.

In past 5 years, the best GPU from Nvidia, has seen considerable price increase. Sure, RTX 4090, compared to RTX 3090 Ti, did come down in price. But when RTX 4090 is compared to the GTX 1080 Ti, the price has more than doubled.

So, no, hardware prices will not come down to "reasonable" levels. They only go up.

You could not have said it better. 👍

 

[LordVile]

Idk about that. I've looked at multiple boards and cpus. I can't find a CPU for the same price as i can the 5500 and I can't find a mono below $140. These also include shipping. Ill upgrade to AM5 When the prices become reasonable.

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If you don’t care about WiFi there’s a few under 100. There’s about 50 between the 5500 and 8400F. It also gives you an upgrade path to the 7000, 9000 and likely the next two gens of AMD processor instead of the 5800X3D. Over time it’s more cost efficient to go with a lower tier GPU and a better platform rather than the opposite as a GPU is easier to sell, doesn’t lose value as much as the platform and is just faster as you don’t have to strip the whole system.