Question Is this overheating ?

[P0tluck94]

This just started with COD:B06. CPU never used to get this warm, max ive ever seen it was 78 and that was in the summer when it was 90 degrees outside, this has me worried to even continue to play the game as i dont have the money to fix it if it is indeed overheating , i checked all other settings like gpu temp, gpu only got to 72 , i looked at thermal throttling and i all areas said no, i did log this thankfully cause my machine runs zombies horrible so i wanted to make sure the pc was good , i have no idea how to open or read this log, how would i upload that file for others to maybe look at?

https://imgur.com/a/pyT7GsX

View: https://imgur.com/a/pyT7GsX

 

[KingLoki]

About 90deg is the max operating temp. If nothing is overclocked or over voltage to cause the extra heat, you could look at the current in-case fan setup for efficient cooling. May need extra fans or change their placement or in/out fan flow, water cooling etc. CPU thermal paste replacement is another possibility. Thete's always the luck of the draw as to some CPU's run hotter of the production line.

 

[P0tluck94]

About 90deg is the max operating temp. If nothing is overclocked or over voltage to cause the extra heat, you could look at the current in-case fan setup for efficient cooling. May need extra fans or change their placement or in/out fan flow, water cooling etc. CPU thermal paste replacement is another possibility. Thete's always the luck of the draw as to some CPU's run hotter of the production line.

My pc is actually really good, it Doesn't get this hot in anything else and hasn't in the past .

here's my specs
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Ryzen 5800x3d
Arctic Liquid Freezer II 360 aio
32 gigs 3600 cl 16 memory
Rog strix b550 motherboard
Nzxt h7 flow case, 3 lian li 120mm intakes, 1 120 mm rear exhaust aio is also exhaust x3 so 3 intake 4 exhaust.
Gpu is a 4070ti super oc vantus 3
Psu is thermaltake gf3 850 gold
Drives are mushkin nvmes
Main monitor is a Alienware 27" 240 hertz 1440 p
Secondary is asus tuf 1440p 27" 144 hertz
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I just dusted this a few days before bo6 release and updated everything, I was running an old version of hwinfo that was only reading 78 before i installed the new version, with the new hwinfo as you see it's reading 84
My pc was bought on may 21st 2023 bran new shipped by paradox customs.

I think it's the game but I'm 100% not sure, also not sure about the 84° so I'm panicking (I have a severe panic disorder and I'm a stroke survivor that's disabled so i can't afford to fix things like most can 😞) I did log this gaming session as I've noticed the pc isn't running this game right so i felt it best to check, glad i did, do you know how to read that file? Or where i can read it?

 

[KingLoki]

Do you mean the HWInfo image? If so, you need to focus on the maximum temps. That's what it gets too at it's hottest during use.
You can try HWMonitor as well for overall system info, temps etc.

 

[P0tluck94]

Do you mean the HWInfo image? If so, you need to focus on the maximum temps. That's what it gets too at it's hottest during use.
You can try HWMonitor as well for overall system info, temps etc.

Yes that's what I'm referring to as far as the picture of the temps fur visual reference but I have a log file i can't open, also I found a post on Twitter of a tuner saying the game is overloading core and that they disabled core 0&1 and it jumped to #2 so it's on the game dev side but I'm not sure if that would cause heat issues, I'm a novice at best when it comes to diagnostics or even building

 

[bill001g]

In general if you never see a thermal throttle condition the machine is having no issues it is running at its maximum rate and not being limited.

Even if you were to hit the thermal throttle limits the machine itself is still safe that is the purpose of the limit. The actual temperature that will damage the cpu is higher than the point it limits itself. There is another safety feature that will turn off the cpu if it would somehow get above the first throttle limit.

If you constantly run at the thermal throttle limits and you think the load you are running should not be doing that you then consider trying to "fix?" it. You can remove the heat sink and replace the paste and clean all the fans etc. Not really worth the risk of damaging something unless you have a actual issue.

 

[KingLoki]

Some run the game and run hardware monitors in the background to monitor temps.
This is the AMD software.

https://www.amd.com/en/products/software/ryzen-master.html

 

[P0tluck94]

In general if you never see a thermal throttle condition the machine is having no issues it is running at its maximum rate and not being limited.

Even if you were to hit the thermal throttle limits the machine itself is still safe that is the purpose of the limit. The actual temperature that will damage the cpu is higher than the point it limits itself. There is another safety feature that will turn off the cpu if it would somehow get above the first throttle limit.

If you constantly run at the thermal throttle limits and you think the load you are running should not be doing that you then consider trying to "fix?" it. You can remove the heat sink and replace the paste and clean all the fans etc. Not really worth the risk of damaging something unless you have a actual issue.

This is the first time it's gotten to that temp so when I saw that I got worried, I do believe it's just the game doing it as its not just me reporting it as I've researched further since posting, I did also read that the 3D chips are designed to run hotter but I'm still concerned primarily because I can't afford to fix it, as far as the paste i know nothing about pcs to reapply it I'll end up breaking something and I'm afraid to move it to take it in to have it done for the worry of damaging something in trasit because the gpu is heavy, it does have a sag bracket that came with it, this is the post I saw on Twitter saying the game is overloading cores, could this be the issue?

https://twitter.com/x/status/1850598448321470827

View: https://x.com/DaveTait176/status/1850598448321470827?t=okNue27RKEUmz3TZYjRbuw&s=19

 

[bill001g]

Gamers tends to be computer illiterate. They believe all kinds of mythical things made worse by posts on social media by people who have no clue. Mostly laziness they prefer to believe a 10 word post on twitter than to come to a site like this and search or ask.

If only 1 core were to overheat and other do not that generally means there is some issue with the paste on the cooler not making good contact. If you disable a core so the game uses other cores and those also overheat it is not a paste issue.

It is extremely common for a game to use only a small number of cores. There would be few customers if a game would only run well on a cpu that has 16 cores. Also running more cores tends to cause more heat issue than running a couple at maximum and leaving others unused.

Not sure what to recommend. If you are not getting thermal throttle your cpu is not overheating. If the limit is say 100c getting 99c is the same as getting 75c. Both are safe conditions. It just takes a while to get used to the idea that your cpu running close to the temp to boil water is considered normal.

 

[P0tluck94]

Gamers tends to be computer illiterate. They believe all kinds of mythical things made worse by posts on social media by people who have no clue. Mostly laziness they prefer to believe a 10 word post on twitter than to come to a site like this and search or ask.

If only 1 core were to overheat and other do not that generally means there is some issue with the paste on the cooler not making good contact. If you disable a core so the game uses other cores and those also overheat it is not a paste issue.

It is extremely common for a game to use only a small number of cores. There would be few customers if a game would only run well on a cpu that has 16 cores. Also running more cores tends to cause more heat issue than running a couple at maximum and leaving others unused.

Not sure what to recommend. If you are not getting thermal throttle your cpu is not overheating. If the limit is say 100c getting 99c is the same as getting 75c. Both are safe conditions. It just takes a while to get used to the idea that your cpu running close to the temp to boil water is considered normal.

He's saying it's a game issue i guess, there's a few hundred people that have seen a temp jump like myself when playing bo6, guess we'll just have to wait for an update from either the game devs or a few reputable pc optimizers, I did a benchmark for the last 45 minutes and my cpu hasn't went over 80 so I'm narrowing it down to the game, my pc has never ran this hot is the issue not since I got it even in 90° days when no ac in my house, i understand where you're coming from about gamers but most tuners/optimizers do game, one being fr33thy which is who i normally follow but his videos not out yet.

I'll just stay off the game until it's performance is fixed , I went from 300 fps in beta/release to 170fps abd stutters after the update Saturday

 

[bill001g]

Run cinnebench both all core and single core tests. It is highly unlikely any game can put more load on a cpu.

It would have to be some very strange bug in game that happened to find some new issue with intel cpu that no other software detected.

 

[P0tluck94]

Gamers tends to be computer illiterate. They believe all kinds of mythical things made worse by posts on social media by people who have no clue. Mostly laziness they prefer to believe a 10 word post on twitter than to come to a site like this and search or ask.

If only 1 core were to overheat and other do not that generally means there is some issue with the paste on the cooler not making good contact. If you disable a core so the game uses other cores and those also overheat it is not a paste issue.

It is extremely common for a game to use only a small number of cores. There would be few customers if a game would only run well on a cpu that has 16 cores. Also running more cores tends to cause more heat issue than running a couple at maximum and leaving others unused.

Not sure what to recommend. If you are not getting thermal throttle your cpu is not overheating. If the limit is say 100c getting 99c is the same as getting 75c. Both are safe conditions. It just takes a while to get used to the idea that your cpu running close to the temp to boil water is considered normal.

Think it's the pc, playing wow it went to 80 😩 i know that's not bad but it's just never done it so im wiggin, I felt the cooler lines and none were hot, if it was my aio it would be way hotter right? Also I had an issue with armory crate program updating, would that cause high temps?

Run cinnebench both all core and single core tests. It is highly unlikely any game can put more load on a cpu.

It would have to be some very strange bug in game that happened to find some new issue with intel cpu that no other software detected.

Not gonna lie im scared , anything should watch out for during the test?

 

[P0tluck94]

Run cinnebench both all core and single core tests. It is highly unlikely any game can put more load on a cpu.

It would have to be some very strange bug in game that happened to find some new issue with intel cpu that no other software detected.

oof

https://imgur.com/a/3wOGddk

View: https://imgur.com/a/3wOGddk

 

[bill001g]

Watch hwinfo or whatever tool you are using.

All you are looking for is the reason the cpu maxes out. It almost always is going to be a temperature or power limit.
Since you are using a big AIO it is not likely you get a temperature limit. A 5800x3d has a much lower limit than say a 14900k but the aio you have can keep a 14900k below thermal limits...unless you set the power to no limit which means it will always increase until it hits the thermal limit. The maximum power/heat a 5800x3d can put out is a tiny fraction of a overclocked intel.

You might want to compare what other people get on 5800x3d on cinnebench. If you do not get good numbers or you are hitting thermal limits maybe consider repasting. Slight chance the AIO is going bad.

This test is safe. The whole reason thermal limit exist is to protect the cpu. If the cooler is not performing correctly all that happens is the cpu hit the limit sooner and it starts dropping the clock speed until the cpu stays right at the limit but does no exceed it. Although not recommened thing to test if you were to boot the machine without the cooler the cpu would turn it self off almost immediately because it was getting too hot.

Pretty much the only way you damage a cpu is to go in and change the thermal limits or setting the voltages outside the recommended ranges.

So I had the above written before your last post.

The thermal throttle limit on a 5800x3d if I have my info correct is 90. You are still below that. Your tests show no thermal throttle ever so you did overheat it enough to impact performance.

This could be caused by the fan curve on the AIO not being set aggressive enough. It might not have spun up fast enough so for a very short time it got warm. Your average is still very good. You could veryify this by setting the AIO to 100% before you start the tests.

 

[P0tluck94]

Watch hwinfo or whatever tool you are using.

All you are looking for is the reason the cpu maxes out. It almost always is going to be a temperature or power limit.
Since you are using a big AIO it is not likely you get a temperature limit. A 5800x3d has a much lower limit than say a 14900k but the aio you have can keep a 14900k below thermal limits...unless you set the power to no limit which means it will always increase until it hits the thermal limit. The maximum power/heat a 5800x3d can put out is a tiny fraction of a overclocked intel.

You might want to compare what other people get on 5800x3d on cinnebench. If you do not get good numbers or you are hitting thermal limits maybe consider repasting. Slight chance the AIO is going bad.

This test is safe. The whole reason thermal limit exist is to protect the cpu. If the cooler is not performing correctly all that happens is the cpu hit the limit sooner and it starts dropping the clock speed until the cpu stays right at the limit but does no exceed it. Although not recommened thing to test if you were to boot the machine without the cooler the cpu would turn it self off almost immediately because it was getting too hot.

Pretty much the only way you damage a cpu is to go in and change the thermal limits or setting the voltages outside the recommended ranges.

So I had the above written before your last post.

The thermal throttle limit on a 5800x3d if I have my info correct is 90. You are still below that. Your tests show no thermal throttle ever so you did overheat it enough to impact performance.

This could be caused by the fan curve on the AIO not being set aggressive enough. It might not have spun up fast enough so for a very short time it got warm. Your average is still very good. You could veryify this by setting the AIO to 100% before you start the tests.

So you're saying my system is overheating? Or did I read that wrong, have to bare with me my stroke effected how I process things, the tests says no thermal throttling so I assume that's a good thing.

I let it run the full length of the test fans were going bonkers lol, I looked at the cpu fan thing and it was 1700-1800 no idea what that means I dont have an aio sensor setting in hwinfo I just have cpu with a fan icon (is that the small fan for the vrms or the pump)

I've not changed any setting to my knowledge but I did have an issue with Armory crate installing the other day, its actually stuck right now not reading my memory so memories is rainbow loop, I don't know if Armory crate can be doing anything with my cpu.

How do I check to make sure the aio Is set to 100%? i believe it came at 100% from the company but not sure.

 

[bill001g]

Nope you are not actually overheating. You are getting close, but never hit 90. Even if you hit 90 that only kinda means you overheat. Better word is you hit the thermal limits since overheating implies you exceeded some actual limit that might cause damage. This is actually how you tune a 14900k. You keep increasing the power until you just barely stay under the thermal limits. That gives you the maximum performance without getting too hot. There is no option to do that on a x3d chip.

The AIO you have always runs the pump at 100% but the fans can vary.

By default the cpu fans are set in the bios. Armory crate I am pretty sure has the ability to set fan speeds. I don't know I make it a point to never install armory crate because it has massive amounts of bloatware and things like their so called "gaming" network stuff causes all kinds of problems.

I have run a free fan program called fan control for quite a while. I would think whatever is in armory crate is just as good. You should be able to see the fans and what the RPM numbers really mean. Most this software will spin the fans up and see what their maximum and minimum spin rates are.

I don't know if armory crate has overclock options. Most time this is done in the bios manually....although asus got a lot of bad press for having things overclocked by default. This likely does not matter on x3d chips since there is almost nothing you can overclock.

 

[P0tluck94]

Nope you are not actually overheating. You are getting close, but never hit 90. Even if you hit 90 that only kinda means you overheat. Better word is you hit the thermal limits since overheating implies you exceeded some actual limit that might cause damage. This is actually how you tune a 14900k. You keep increasing the power until you just barely stay under the thermal limits. That gives you the maximum performance without getting too hot. There is no option to do that on a x3d chip.

The AIO you have always runs the pump at 100% but the fans can vary.

By default the cpu fans are set in the bios. Armory crate I am pretty sure has the ability to set fan speeds. I don't know I make it a point to never install armory crate because it has massive amounts of bloatware and things like their so called "gaming" network stuff causes all kinds of problems.

I have run a free fan program called fan control for quite a while. I would think whatever is in armory crate is just as good. You should be able to see the fans and what the RPM numbers really mean. Most this software will spin the fans up and see what their maximum and minimum spin rates are.

I don't know if armory crate has overclock options. Most time this is done in the bios manually....although asus got a lot of bad press for having things overclocked by default. This likely does not matter on x3d chips since there is almost nothing you can overclock.

So with cinebench it maxes out the cpu right$ what's the chances a video game taxes the cpu like cinebench? I guess what I'm asking, is my pc okay to play games on?

 

[beyondlogic]

oof

https://imgur.com/a/3wOGddk

View: https://imgur.com/a/3wOGddk

how is your aio mounted ?

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BbGomv195sk

 

[P0tluck94]

how is your aio mounted ?

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BbGomv195sk

Is not that way my pc was built by a custom pc company, i never had issues with temps until bo6 launched

https://imgur.com/a/sS7j5Iq

View: https://imgur.com/gallery/sS7j5Iq

 

[Zerk2012]

Is not that way my pc was built by a custom pc company, i never had issues with temps until bo6 launched

https://imgur.com/a/sS7j5Iq

View: https://imgur.com/gallery/sS7j5Iq

So your saying in only one game and nothing else does that give you a clue?
That case can cause temp issues if not oriented correctly with the fans more does not mean better.
Most prebuilt pc's are just bad for airflow and more for looks when you use a case like you have.

If you have no clue about the AIO cooler and how to set the pump to 100% always you might contact the builder because they usually sux at actually using correct settings along with most other things.

 

[P0tluck94]

So your saying in only one game and nothing else does that give you a clue?
That case can cause temp issues if not oriented correctly with the fans more does not mean better.
Most prebuilt pc's are just bad for airflow and more for looks when you use a case like you have.

If you have no clue about the AIO cooler and how to set the pump to 100% always you might contact the builder because they usually sux at actually using correct settings along with most other things.

The pc company is paradox customs not like a company like nzxt,, they build most of the ocs for big streamers , the temps are just here recently after bo6 launches when I started really paying attention as the game runs bad so I started monitoring temps and usages, not saying something could not have happened in the 2 years I've had the pc

 

[beyondlogic]

This is the first time it's gotten to that temp so when I saw that I got worried, I do believe it's just the game doing it as its not just me reporting it as I've researched further since posting, I did also read that the 3D chips are designed to run hotter but I'm still concerned primarily because I can't afford to fix it, as far as the paste i know nothing about pcs to reapply it I'll end up breaking something and I'm afraid to move it to take it in to have it done for the worry of damaging something in trasit because the gpu is heavy, it does have a sag bracket that came with it, this is the post I saw on Twitter saying the game is overloading cores, could this be the issue?

https://twitter.com/x/status/1850598448321470827

View: https://x.com/DaveTait176/status/1850598448321470827?t=okNue27RKEUmz3TZYjRbuw&s=19

completely different CPU also its common for single core boost on intel platforms.

 

[beyondlogic]

Is not that way my pc was built by a custom pc company, i never had issues with temps until bo6 launched

https://imgur.com/a/sS7j5Iq

View: https://imgur.com/gallery/sS7j5Iq

aio looks fine in terms of mounting

at this point if youve been running it a while it could be the thermal paste has dried up

its either 1 the pump is dieing ( quite common on aio)

2. the paste has dried up or incorrectly applied.

im going to go with failing aio.

reason even if the game was pinning the 1 cpu to the wall that shouldnt matter if the cooler is doing its job

the max your cpu is hitting is 1.3v that should be nothing for that aio.

as someone suggested the fan curve could be to low this is easily fixed

if you go into bios look for cpu fan curve set fans at 75c 100 percent

i usually set my fan curve

30c 30 percent
45c 50 percent

65c 75 percent

75c 100 percent

a example is the cpu fan curve in bios could be set to 100 percent fan speed at 90 which by then the cpu is climbing. till it hits 90.

if fixing fan curve does nothing then its most likely a dieing pump or paste has dried up.

 

[P0tluck94]

completely different CPU also its common for single core boost on intel

aio looks fine in terms of mounting

at this point if youve been running it a while it could be the thermal paste has dried up

its either 1 the pump is dieing ( quite common on aio)

2. the paste has dried up or incorrectly applied.

im going to go with failing aio.

reason even if the game was pinning the 1 cpu to the wall that shouldnt matter if the cooler is doing its job

the max your cpu is hitting is 1.3v that should be nothing for that aio.

as someone suggested the fan curve could be to low this is easily fixed

if you go into bios look for cpu fan curve set fans at 75c 100 percent

i usually set my fan curve

30c 30 percent
45c 50 percent

65c 75 percent

75c 100 percent

a example is the cpu fan curve in bios could be set to 100 percent fan speed at 90 which by then the cpu is climbing. till it hits 90.

if fixing fan curve does nothing then its most likely a dieing pump or paste has dried up.

If you look at my posts earlier I ran cinebench, the cpu did hit 88° the test ran i believe 15 minutes at maximum load ,l and i did 2 back to back, one single core one milti, averages were 78-80, i dont think it's the aio it would hit high temps super quick, i also do not leave the pc on, i power it down whenever I'm not on it, so the aio hasn't been ran constantly for 2 years if that makes a difference idk. I'll look at the fan curves tomorrow but I've been running it like this for 2 years i do think i did fan curve cause of the noise i can't remember but I'll check

 

[beyondlogic]

If you look at my posts earlier I ran cinebench, the cpu did hit 88° the test ran i believe 15 minutes at maximum load ,l and i did 2 back to back, one single core one milti, averages were 78-80, i dont think it's the aio it would hit high temps super quick, i also do not leave the pc on, i power it down whenever I'm not on it, so the aio hasn't been ran constantly for 2 years if that makes a difference idk. I'll look at the fan curves tomorrow but I've been running it like this for 2 years i do think i did fan curve cause of the noise i can't remember but I'll check

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHdEqWpexH0