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Oh, and for all those who think this is "bad" for EA, its not.
They will cash in, and walk away with the money with no investment in the servers.
Untill they get about 10 billion ripped off from their accounts for something like damages or malpractice, or wahtever its called, they will keep on doing this.
And why noone is stoping them? Well becouse they pay a huge amount of taxes from each game, so the government would not like to lose taht income either.
But, you can "NOT BUY" their games (thats what i do).
They will cash in, and walk away with the money with no investment in the servers.
Untill they get about 10 billion ripped off from their accounts for something like damages or malpractice, or wahtever its called, they will keep on doing this.
And why noone is stoping them? Well becouse they pay a huge amount of taxes from each game, so the government would not like to lose taht income either.
But, you can "NOT BUY" their games (thats what i do).
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Give it a week and it will be taken apart and rebuilt by the good folks of the cracking community. Keep an eye on Pirate Bay for a working version....
@ddpruitt
I think I'll assume that you, while claiming to have played all games in the series, did not know how to play them at all.
People are complaining because they played a game, a series of them, knew the games, learned how to play, liked what they had, and that's why they wanted MORE - Not less.
Just because you have a dim creativity and compentence to micro-manage things don't be such a tool as to think EA should have made a game to cater just to your tastes.
I think I'll assume that you, while claiming to have played all games in the series, did not know how to play them at all.
People are complaining because they played a game, a series of them, knew the games, learned how to play, liked what they had, and that's why they wanted MORE - Not less.
Just because you have a dim creativity and compentence to micro-manage things don't be such a tool as to think EA should have made a game to cater just to your tastes.
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What gets me effing fuming to no degree, is people here complaining "After waiting 3+ hours in queue" / "losing sleep" ....
I really don't know who is worse, EA pubs and beancounters, or you people buying and installing their current games knowing all the red flags and warnings in advance as it is shouted into your faces by communities at large with integrity.
God damn you humanity.... damn you to hell.
I really don't know who is worse, EA pubs and beancounters, or you people buying and installing their current games knowing all the red flags and warnings in advance as it is shouted into your faces by communities at large with integrity.
God damn you humanity.... damn you to hell.
Did somebody say "DIABLO 3"?
Diablo 3 was the biggest disappointment of my gaming life. This game completely missed the mark. It was the biggest (scale, budget, market) wasted opportunity (to create something amazing and timeless) that I have ever seen, in any industry.
This was also perhaps the greatest example in history of branding providing a life-saving bailout to what was in fact a mediocre product. Without the Diablo brand and IP, not to mention being able to pose as a "Blizzard team", Diablo 3 would have hardly sold and would have immediately been written off as just another generic dungeon crawler.
Go fly a kite.
Diablo 3 was the biggest disappointment of my gaming life. This game completely missed the mark. It was the biggest (scale, budget, market) wasted opportunity (to create something amazing and timeless) that I have ever seen, in any industry.
This was also perhaps the greatest example in history of branding providing a life-saving bailout to what was in fact a mediocre product. Without the Diablo brand and IP, not to mention being able to pose as a "Blizzard team", Diablo 3 would have hardly sold and would have immediately been written off as just another generic dungeon crawler.
Go fly a kite.
[citation][nom]Korkman[/nom]@ddpruitt I think I'll assume that you, while claiming to have played all games in the series, did not know how to play them at all.People are complaining because they played a game, a series of them, knew the games, learned how to play, liked what they had, and that's why they wanted MORE - Not less.Just because you have a dim creativity and compentence to micro-manage things don't be such a tool as to think EA should have made a game to cater just to your tastes.[/citation]
Says the guy who doesn't know how to use quotes or spell-check. I liked the idea of managing a city, not a set of utilities. I played it back in the day when there was only 3 square zone with zero terrain. Let me figure out what kind of water system to run, what kind of recycling, etc. I don't want be laying all the damned pipes though. I'm not asking for less, I am asking for more, I like this SimCity, played the beta, it goes back to it's roots. SCs 3 and 4 added more micromanaging, SC 5 deals with the people of the city more, that's what I want, that's what those of us who built cities that ran themselves well for weeks on end wanted. True this one makes things a little too easy.
Besides this entire post is about the day one connection issues not the game-play, shows how much you comprehend.
Says the guy who doesn't know how to use quotes or spell-check. I liked the idea of managing a city, not a set of utilities. I played it back in the day when there was only 3 square zone with zero terrain. Let me figure out what kind of water system to run, what kind of recycling, etc. I don't want be laying all the damned pipes though. I'm not asking for less, I am asking for more, I like this SimCity, played the beta, it goes back to it's roots. SCs 3 and 4 added more micromanaging, SC 5 deals with the people of the city more, that's what I want, that's what those of us who built cities that ran themselves well for weeks on end wanted. True this one makes things a little too easy.
Besides this entire post is about the day one connection issues not the game-play, shows how much you comprehend.
[citation][nom]kinggremlin[/nom]Also, the developers have confirmed that larger cities will be possible in the future. They claimed the reason for the size limit was for performance reasons. While I know everyone here already has their tri-SLI Titan setup with 5Ghz nitrogen cooled i7 (or at least that's what they claim), the vast majority of people who will be playing this game don't have uber setups like that. Not sure why the graphics can't be turned down more to address that though.[/citation]
I found this game to even work well on my A8 laptop, This game works well on even modest PC's actually works better then sim city 4 since i play sim city 4 all the time and it uses 1 of my cores 100%.
Also this game does have options to turn down the settings. If you can play sims 3 you can most likely play this game
[citation][nom]smeezekitty[/nom]Not only do I have to deal with the always connected DRM crap because EVERYONE is a pirate (sarcasm) but there is a long wait queue?If I wanted to play simcity, it means I want to play it now. Not wait 10-20-30 minutes. Playing simcity 1 on an 8088 sounds like more fun.[/citation]
What i find funny is just to check i can find a crack for Diablo 3 which means its going to happen to simcity 5 all their doing is making people want to pirate more. Makes me want to learn how to create cracks for EA games only.
I found this game to even work well on my A8 laptop, This game works well on even modest PC's actually works better then sim city 4 since i play sim city 4 all the time and it uses 1 of my cores 100%.
Also this game does have options to turn down the settings. If you can play sims 3 you can most likely play this game
[citation][nom]smeezekitty[/nom]Not only do I have to deal with the always connected DRM crap because EVERYONE is a pirate (sarcasm) but there is a long wait queue?If I wanted to play simcity, it means I want to play it now. Not wait 10-20-30 minutes. Playing simcity 1 on an 8088 sounds like more fun.[/citation]
What i find funny is just to check i can find a crack for Diablo 3 which means its going to happen to simcity 5 all their doing is making people want to pirate more. Makes me want to learn how to create cracks for EA games only.
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How would I deal with this server issue if I had been running the project?
I'd have asked the server guys to make an accurate projection of servers needed for initial rollout. If they said we would need 40 servers tops, I would automatically double it to change the order to 80 as a minimum.
I'd have asked the server guys to make an accurate projection of servers needed for initial rollout. If they said we would need 40 servers tops, I would automatically double it to change the order to 80 as a minimum.
Two games I would loved to have played... Diablo III and This Sim City... but I didn't buy either of them. If all games end up going the "Must be online to play" route... I will end gaming.
I DON'T Always have an internet connection so will not support this garbage system.
I brought Crysis 3 for the way it looks and the single player campaign, but if it required always on internet, I would not.
I will not be buying these titles in the future and I am not the only one.
I can't imagine they are selling more copies because they can't be pirated vs not selling copies because of garbage like always online...
I DON'T Always have an internet connection so will not support this garbage system.
I brought Crysis 3 for the way it looks and the single player campaign, but if it required always on internet, I would not.
I will not be buying these titles in the future and I am not the only one.
I can't imagine they are selling more copies because they can't be pirated vs not selling copies because of garbage like always online...
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[citation][nom]SirGCal[/nom]Pirates do their thing (with games) for only a few major reasons.1) games are just too expensive. Although I don't agree with this, if games were cheaper, a lot of piracy would cease.2) cause they can. Sometimes it's just that simple.3) to bypass DRMs. I do NOT support piracy, but to be honest, I have used noCD patches and such to bypass my legal copies needs for such DRMs simply for convenience. That is what a lot of piracy really is and if the companies just did away with these checks and found something that actually worked, there wouldn't be a need or desire for other piracy"...... "And I don't even download MP3s of whatever band I'm listening to. I might make them from my own legal media for my car and portable player but... I do not condone piracy. But I simply don't understand why companies think these efforts actually do any good to stop it. It just aggravates the legal users and gives the pirates something else to do.[/citation]
Agree completely. I have purchased maybe 2-3 copies of SimCity4, and over 8 copies of Command&Conquer Generals + Zero Hour. I've lost it a few times and I like having multiple copies if a disc dies.
I make complete disc images to back up my install discs, and i make mini images so I can play the game without an optical drive. I have two laptops without optical drives.
I don't see the problem in this. I'm just making sure I can play the games I purchased.
Agree completely. I have purchased maybe 2-3 copies of SimCity4, and over 8 copies of Command&Conquer Generals + Zero Hour. I've lost it a few times and I like having multiple copies if a disc dies.
I make complete disc images to back up my install discs, and i make mini images so I can play the game without an optical drive. I have two laptops without optical drives.
I don't see the problem in this. I'm just making sure I can play the games I purchased.
Criticize them for screwing up on not having enough server resources to handle everyone playing so that there wouldn't be a queue, but not for the constant internet connection.
If there was enough resources to handle the players so that there was no queue, would the constant connection really be a problem for people? No, not for the vast vast majority, so the problem is that they suck at making sure they had enough servers. What I see instead is a lot of people once again hating DRM simply to hate DRM cause they think piracy is completely fine, which I think is BS.
Go actually make something in your life and then have a bunch of people steal it from you, it's not fun.
Also tom's hardware, you CAN opt out. It's called not buying the product. Vote with your dollar and punish them that way if you really think DRM is that horrible. After they fix queue times I don't see it being a problem.
If there was enough resources to handle the players so that there was no queue, would the constant connection really be a problem for people? No, not for the vast vast majority, so the problem is that they suck at making sure they had enough servers. What I see instead is a lot of people once again hating DRM simply to hate DRM cause they think piracy is completely fine, which I think is BS.
Go actually make something in your life and then have a bunch of people steal it from you, it's not fun.
Also tom's hardware, you CAN opt out. It's called not buying the product. Vote with your dollar and punish them that way if you really think DRM is that horrible. After they fix queue times I don't see it being a problem.
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[citation][nom]crateria[/nom]What I see instead is a lot of people once again hating DRM simply to hate DRM cause they think piracy is completely fine, which I think is BS. Go actually make something in your life and then have a bunch of people steal it from you, it's not fun.Also tom's hardware, you CAN opt out. It's called not buying the product. Vote with your dollar and punish them that way if you really think DRM is that horrible. After they fix queue times I don't see it being a problem.[/citation]
I don't hate DRM because I think piracy is alright. I hate DRM because it violates basic rights and it is more harmful from valid users than it is to pirates.
http://www.defectivebydesign.org/
I don't hate DRM because I think piracy is alright. I hate DRM because it violates basic rights and it is more harmful from valid users than it is to pirates.
http://www.defectivebydesign.org/
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I don't hate DRM because I think piracy is ok. I hate DRM because it violates basic rights and hurts valid users more than it hurts pirates.
http://www.defectivebydesign.org/
Also, the tomshardware.com forum/comment bugs are getting worse.
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[citation][nom]Ninjamonkeh[/nom] :I can update that I have been trying to connect to any of the servers since 2pm est its now 3:30pm est and im stuck in a endless loop of it saying its checking for updates even though it says 100%. If your on the fence about buying this game , wait a month or 2 , or better yet get any other non EA game from STEAM. I can guarantee Origin is crap , and EA doesnt care about you after you give them your money.[/citation]
[citation][nom]thecolorblue[/nom]why would you recommend that people should buy "another EA game"nobody should support those b@$tards[/citation]
I don't think he did.
[citation][nom]thecolorblue[/nom]why would you recommend that people should buy "another EA game"nobody should support those b@$tards[/citation]
I don't think he did.
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[citation][nom]crateria[/nom]Criticize them for screwing up on not having enough server resources to handle everyone playing so that there wouldn't be a queue, but not for the constant internet connection.If there was enough resources to handle the players so that there was no queue, would the constant connection really be a problem for people? No, not for the vast vast majority, so the problem is that they suck at making sure they had enough servers. What I see instead is a lot of people once again hating DRM simply to hate DRM cause they think piracy is completely fine, which I think is BS. Go actually make something in your life and then have a bunch of people steal it from you, it's not fun.Also tom's hardware, you CAN opt out. It's called not buying the product. Vote with your dollar and punish them that way if you really think DRM is that horrible. After they fix queue times I don't see it being a problem.[/citation]
I see you have drunk the pirate Kool-Aid. The game companies use the piracy excuse way to often and it has now become something more like the boy who cried wolf. If a game has poor sales, well, it wasn't poorly made, regardless of what people who play it say, it was just pirated by most who play it.
While piracy is a problem, it is not the problem game developers claim it is. DRM like an always on connection does nothing but inconvienence the legitimate gamer, not the pirates. Want a pirated version of Diablo 3? Well, it's there. Soon there will be a pirated version of SC5.
Internet connections go out, ISP's do upgrades, and of course, there is the restriction of being tethered to an internet connection constanly restricting where you can actually play the game.
Of course the most glaring example of why always online DRM is bad seems to be ignored by the ignorant ones such as yourself. Always online DRM automatically means that the game immediately has a shelf life. Who know if you can play it in 10 years? Let's face it, if more and more games go with always online mandates, there is no way you can have servers for tens of thousands of games with thousands more added every year for eternity. While Diablo 3 has turned out to be a turkey, it was still and increible seller. However, it sold well because of the reputation of Diablo 1 and 2. How poorly would sales have been had Diablo 1 and Diablo 2 had some form of restrictive DRM such as always online? Heck, Diablo 1 couldn't even be played today had it had that requirement. And let's be honest, one of the main reasons games like Diablo 3 and Simcity 5 are so widely anticipated it because people have played their predeccessors for years.
So you see, always online DRM isn't because of piracy. It has to do with restricting the legitimate gamer, has to do with DLC and tracking for marketing purposes. Maybe you will put down the Kool-Aid someday and see that.
I see you have drunk the pirate Kool-Aid. The game companies use the piracy excuse way to often and it has now become something more like the boy who cried wolf. If a game has poor sales, well, it wasn't poorly made, regardless of what people who play it say, it was just pirated by most who play it.
While piracy is a problem, it is not the problem game developers claim it is. DRM like an always on connection does nothing but inconvienence the legitimate gamer, not the pirates. Want a pirated version of Diablo 3? Well, it's there. Soon there will be a pirated version of SC5.
Internet connections go out, ISP's do upgrades, and of course, there is the restriction of being tethered to an internet connection constanly restricting where you can actually play the game.
Of course the most glaring example of why always online DRM is bad seems to be ignored by the ignorant ones such as yourself. Always online DRM automatically means that the game immediately has a shelf life. Who know if you can play it in 10 years? Let's face it, if more and more games go with always online mandates, there is no way you can have servers for tens of thousands of games with thousands more added every year for eternity. While Diablo 3 has turned out to be a turkey, it was still and increible seller. However, it sold well because of the reputation of Diablo 1 and 2. How poorly would sales have been had Diablo 1 and Diablo 2 had some form of restrictive DRM such as always online? Heck, Diablo 1 couldn't even be played today had it had that requirement. And let's be honest, one of the main reasons games like Diablo 3 and Simcity 5 are so widely anticipated it because people have played their predeccessors for years.
So you see, always online DRM isn't because of piracy. It has to do with restricting the legitimate gamer, has to do with DLC and tracking for marketing purposes. Maybe you will put down the Kool-Aid someday and see that.
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I think that I bought each of the earlier sim cities two or three times each.
I used the disc so much that the scratches would be to bad to reload in a new system, or I would lose the activation code. I did not mind, so bad, because the games were good and the prices were reasonable.
They could make their money in the long run, better by selling the game for a lesser price and losing the DRM.
I hate that the economy is bad, and I have to let my internet go unpaid for a month or so at a time.
I hate even more that I won't be able to afford this great game, much less that even if I scavenged the cash, I wouldn't be able to play it those times when internet is down.
I used the disc so much that the scratches would be to bad to reload in a new system, or I would lose the activation code. I did not mind, so bad, because the games were good and the prices were reasonable.
They could make their money in the long run, better by selling the game for a lesser price and losing the DRM.
I hate that the economy is bad, and I have to let my internet go unpaid for a month or so at a time.
I hate even more that I won't be able to afford this great game, much less that even if I scavenged the cash, I wouldn't be able to play it those times when internet is down.
Just a massive fail. A potentially franchise killing move with the city size limitations, the debacle that was the launch, and the always on DRM.
I pre-ordered this game, but will be seeking a refund.
I pre-ordered this game, but will be seeking a refund.
I hate how piracy is the easy out for developers that put out sh#t games.
I hate how piracy is used as an excuse to install rootkits, additional drivers that make your pc unstable and always on internet connections.
I'm sorry, I live on a FARM. My internet SUCKS (thank you AT&T and Time Warner).
No way in Hades I'm buying ANYTHING with an always on requirement. I don't have much time to spend gaming, and when I get that time "server down" shouldn't kill my ability to play a game I just spent $60 for.
I hate how piracy is used as an excuse to install rootkits, additional drivers that make your pc unstable and always on internet connections.
I'm sorry, I live on a FARM. My internet SUCKS (thank you AT&T and Time Warner).
No way in Hades I'm buying ANYTHING with an always on requirement. I don't have much time to spend gaming, and when I get that time "server down" shouldn't kill my ability to play a game I just spent $60 for.
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I would have happily thrown my money at EA for this game - but the DRM was a shocker. I *STILL* play SimCity 4 ... Given EA's record when it comes to shutting down games when its no longer making them enough dough - and leaving the faithful players hanging ... (Earth & Beyond? Wrath of Heroes?) .. I've decided that I can use my money to support better games.
Its really a sad state of affairs when the game's *design* is geared toward securing a profit and not securing enjoyment. The latter will earn you loyal fans. The former will not.
Its really a sad state of affairs when the game's *design* is geared toward securing a profit and not securing enjoyment. The latter will earn you loyal fans. The former will not.
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